[QUOTE=Soldier of Macedon;174358]Really? Superior in which way?[/QUOTE]

Ahhh? Hmmmm? In every way possible?

[QUOTE=kompir;174327]I was listening to ABC radio this afternoon and I heard something to the effect of that if the name change agreement isn't ratified, the EU and Greece will be imposing a new economic blockade and that the current border crossings between the two countries would be closed indefinitely. I don't know where they got this information from, but it is a troubling development if true.[/QUOTE]

It sounds like a classic fake news event or plain old misinformation, or
a psy-ops campaign orchestrated against the sheeple in Macedonia...our enemies would've done their homework on the hapless fyromian's and analysed the shallowness of their thinking and how easily they're prepared to sell their souls for a promise of fools gold or a glittering turd.

Our enemies will use the time honoured strategy of the carrot and stick...on one hand the illusion of great opportunity will be presented to the simpleton fyromian with the disclaimer that their chance to redeem this wonderful gift has only a small window before the prize disappears forever...

The fyromian being the gullible, self-loathing fool that he is, will jump at this 'once in a lifetime opportunity' quicker than it takes Zaev to get the fuck out of Macedonia and assume a new identity in a foreign land, once the sell off is complete.

Journalism in Macedonia, at least those on the side of the Macedonian identity, is really still at quite a low level.

I mean, nobody is even thinking about highlighting the "rot" in that carrot.

Nobody is putting up headlines highlighting that the Macedonian name and identity is being sold NOW, for the off-chance of joining the European Union in at least 5 years from now.

The Macedonians all have a hope to get rich quick, it all raining money overnight. It's why sports gambling is highest in Macedonia per capita than anywhere else in the world. Those on the "sell the name and you get NATO and Europe" side are onto that and playing at that, pretending like there will be money falling from the skies overnight. Nobody on the other side of the argument is tapping into what's really driving the modern Macedonian.

[QUOTE=Pelagonija;174360]Ahhh? Hmmmm? In every way possible?[/QUOTE]
If it's in every way possible it should not be that hard for you to provide a few specific examples. What are they?

[QUOTE=Phoenix;174361]It sounds like a classic fake news event or plain old misinformation, or
a psy-ops campaign orchestrated against the sheeple in Macedonia...our enemies would've done their homework on the hapless fyromian's and analysed the shallowness of their thinking and how easily they're prepared to sell their souls for a promise of fools gold or a glittering turd.[/quote]

I'm thinking psy-ops, it has the stink of a think-tank wank session.

[QUOTE=Phoenix;174361]Our enemies will use the time honoured strategy of the carrot and stick...on one hand the illusion of great opportunity will be presented to the simpleton fyromian with the disclaimer that their chance to redeem this wonderful gift has only a small window before the prize disappears forever...

The fyromian being the gullible, self-loathing fool that he is, will jump at this 'once in a lifetime opportunity' quicker than it takes Zaev to get the fuck out of Macedonia and assume a new identity in a foreign land, once the sell off is complete.[/QUOTE]

There is a reason this song by Solza i Smea resonates so much:

[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FsBh8vZ1N_4[/url]

[QUOTE=Soldier of Macedon;174371]If it's in every way possible it should not be that hard for you to provide a few specific examples. What are they?[/QUOTE]

Hmm it’s really a non debate.. but here is a few..

Characteristics: How about the fact that they choose to fight? Did you know that when faced with ultimatums in WWI they chose to fight and lost half its population? The youngest soldier was 8 years mind you.. they also fought and sacrificed in WWII and in the 90s wars. Serbs are proud. No one in the Balkans have suffered as much as them in terms of numbers.

Politically: Even today they face immense pressure to yield to NATO rule and sever ties to Russia but remain the last man standing in Europe. You didn’t see serbia expel the Russian ambassador over the staged skripal case.

Entertainment: great at sport, music and great women.

Economy: No comment

Military: no comment

Land mass: no comment

Cut a long story short, they respect themselves our people don’t.

Anyway I say this in the context of where our country is going, hence In hindsight the current circumstances are diabolical with no view to recovery. Do u prefer it?

Are we superior in any aspect? I can’t see how honestly. We are a people of no pride. Self respect or morals.. yeah yeah I’m sure about %10 are top blokes but the rest are farked.

[QUOTE=Pelagonija;174378]Hmm it’s really a non debate.. but here is a few..

Characteristics: How about the fact that they choose to fight? Did you know that when faced with ultimatums in WWI they chose to fight and lost half its population? The youngest soldier was 8 years mind you.. they also fought and sacrificed in WWII and in the 90s wars. Serbs are proud. No one in the Balkans have suffered as much as them in terms of numbers.

Politically: Even today they face immense pressure to yield to NATO rule and sever ties to Russia but remain the last man standing in Europe. You didn’t see serbia expel the Russian ambassador over the staged skripal case.

Entertainment: great at sport, music and [B]great women.[/B]

Economy: No comment

Military: no comment

Land mass: no comment

Cut a long story short, they respect themselves our people don’t.

Anyway I say this in the context of where our country is going, hence In hindsight the current circumstances are diabolical with no view to recovery. Do u prefer it?

Are we superior in any aspect? I can’t see how honestly. We are a people of no pride. Self respect or morals.. yeah yeah I’m sure about %10 are top blokes but the rest are farked.[/QUOTE]

Their women are crazy, batshit crazy :lol:

[QUOTE=Pelagonija;174378]Characteristics[/QUOTE]
They had their own state and army. We didn't. They chose to fight because they knew they had the largest army in the world (Russia) and other Great Powers on their side against the Austrians and Germans. We were occupied by those same Serbs at that time. If you're going to make comparisons, then compare apples for apples. As for WWII, we also fought. As for the 90's wars, a lot of good that did for them. As for their pride, pride in what? They lost their 'Greater Serbia' in the former Yugoslavia, most of their centuries-old population in Croatia is no longer there and they no longer have control of Kosovo.
[QUOTE]Politically[/QUOTE]
Yeah, it was good of them to stand firm on that ambassador situation, that was disgraceful on Macedonia's part, but not really a sign of superiority, just the right political party in power at the time. And as for facing immense pressure, don't be so certain. Vucic is on the verge of making an agreement on Kosovo and he has hinted at that several times in the past year. I have Serb friends, their impression of Vucic is the same as some our impressions of Gruevski, a half-patriot at best, deceitful traitor at worst.
[QUOTE]Entertainment[/QUOTE]
They're good in sports, but they have more people than us so more options to choose from. As for music and women, lol, get a grip.
[QUOTE]Economy[/QUOTE]
Don't be fooled by the glittering lights of Belgrade. For a country that has 3 times the population of Macedonia, Serbia's GDP is a little over 3 times that of Macedonia (2016) but has a per capita income that is less than Macedonia (2016). I'm not the greatest economist out there, but that doesn't strike me as being superior, at least not in the way you're presenting it.
[QUOTE]Military[/QUOTE]
They spend much more of their money on the military, naturally it will be superior to ours. That has nothing to do with people.
[QUOTE]Land mass[/QUOTE]
Compare Serb-controlled territories now from about 30 years ago. Not so superior.
[QUOTE]Cut a long story short, they respect themselves our people don’t.[/QUOTE]
You're generalising. I can assure you there are plenty of self-loathing morons in Serbia, just like in Macedonia. Given the amount of people they have compared to ours, I would say the percentage of patriots or nationalists aren't that different.
[QUOTE]Are we superior in any aspect? I can’t see how honestly. We are a people of no pride. Self respect or morals.. yeah yeah I’m sure about %10 are top blokes but the rest are farked.[/QUOTE]
We're both Balkan nations. They have some advantages over us because they achieved statehood earlier than us. Aside from that, there isn't much more. If I was you I would take it easy with this "superiority" crap. Macedonians who were saying that back in the early 1900's ended up doing the bidding of their enemies.

Serbs often state they are pathetic in comparison to Croats. I tend to agree. I am of the opinion that many Macedonians whose parents are from the republic still have something in their psyche that sees Serbs as superior to Macedonians.

Egejci have nothing of this and no comprehension of this in relation to Serbs. Instead (unfortunately) many suffer from all kinds of inadequacy comparing themselves to Greeks.

In a nutshell, it comes from oppression and victim mentality. And surely we in the diaspora can be above that kind of thinking.

[SIZE="4"][COLOR="Red"][B]Is Greece About To Lay Legal Claim To Atatürk And His Legacy?[/B][/COLOR][/SIZE]

[B]It’s absurd to consider the founding father of the modern-day Turkish state as anything other than a Turk, but if the Greek Parliament passes the recently concluded “name deal” with Macedonia, then Athens will legally be obliged to regard everything in Greek Macedonia – including Atatürk, who was born in the regional capital of Thessaloniki – as having the “attribute” of being part of “Hellenic civilization, history, culture and heritage…from antiquity to the present day”.[/B]

[B]Link:[/B] [url]https://www.eurasiafuture.com/2018/06/18/is-greece-about-to-lay-legal-claim-to-ataturk-and-his-legacy/[/url]