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Tomche Makedonche 06-19-2018 01:23 AM

[url]http://www.balkaninsight.com/en/article/in-pictures-macedonia-name-protest-turns-violent-06-18-2018[/url]

[B]In Pictures: Macedonia 'Name' Protest Turns Violent[/B]

Macedonian police used tear gas and shock grenades to disperse protesters against the deal with Greece on the country's name on Sunday night in Skopje, after some tried to break through the police cordon and storm the parliament.

Nine people were injured at the Sunday night protest staged by Macedonian right-wingers in Skopje, including seven policemen and two women; some 25 people were arrested.

The protest, organised by sports fan groups on social media and joined by nationalists and other right-wingers, turned violent at around 11pm.

Groups of young people, some of them in masks, then attacked police with rocks and flares and tried to break through the police cordon and storm the parliament building.

Police intervened with armoured cars, shock grenades and tear gas to disperse the crowd of about 2,000 people in several directions in the city centre.

The protesters denounced the signing of a long-awaited agreement with Greece over Macedonia's name that took place earlier on Sunday in the border region of Prespa.

Under the agreement, Macedonia is to change its name to “Republic of North Macedonia” in exchange for swift accession to NATO and a start to EU accession talks.

Before the rally turned violent, the angry crowd shouted “To the gallows!” and “Traitors!” for Prime Minister Zoran Zaev and his centre-left government – which has pushed the Greek deal forward.

The leader of a small pro-Russian party, United Macedonia, Janko Bacev, was spotted at the protest holding Macedonian and Russian flags.

In another incident, a vehicle belonging to the father of Macedonian MP Hari Lokvenec, from the ranks of the ruling Social Democrats, was torched on Sunday night in the central town of Prilep by unknown perpetrators, the police stated.

Lokvenec was among the MP’s who earlier that day attended the signing ceremony of the name agreement between Macedonia and Greece.

Tomche Makedonche 06-19-2018 01:30 AM

You know, for two countries who claim to have no Macedonian minorities, they seem to have an unnatural prioritising focus to ensure that Macedonia signs agreements and guarantees that they wont talk of minority rights outside their borders... yet for some reason, no one in the international community finds this behaviour peculiar at all

[QUOTE][url]http://www.balkaninsight.com/en/article/bulgarian-pm-foreign-minister-refuse-meeting-macedonian-president-06-14-2018[/url]

Radev called on the Bulgarian government to seek communication not only with the Macedonian government, but with other institutions and the opposition as well. He added that Bulgaria should seek guarantees from Macedonia about the deal that will preclude the creation of Macedonian organisations on Bulgarian territory.[/QUOTE]

Phoenix 06-19-2018 03:25 AM

[QUOTE=Tomche Makedonche;174230]You know, for two countries who claim to have no Macedonian minorities, they seem to have an unnatural prioritising focus to ensure that Macedonia signs agreements and guarantees that they wont talk of minority rights outside their borders... yet for some reason, no one in the international community finds this behaviour peculiar at all[/QUOTE]

You’d swear they were trying to hide something...

kompir 06-19-2018 07:54 AM

Can anyone in MKD confirm the news I'm hearing that there will be a mammoth protest in the next week in Skopje?

Phoenix 06-19-2018 08:36 AM

[QUOTE=kompir;174252]Can anyone in MKD confirm the news I'm hearing that there will be a mammoth protest in the next week in Skopje?[/QUOTE]

I thought there was a student protest being organised for this weekend (?)

I don't think this is a lost cause [B][I][U][COLOR="Red"]IF[/COLOR][/U][/I][/B] the people decide to come out in large numbers and a momentum can start to build...the people can't be allowed to be lulled into a sense of inevitability that Zaev and his international backers have this all stitched up...the people have all the power, if only they act decisively and as a unified force...many still have to awaken to the fact that this agreement is a disaster for the Macedonian people and that it comes without any guarantee for a better life.

Niko777 06-19-2018 02:23 PM

[COLOR="Red"][B]Macedonian MPs ratify name deal[/B][/COLOR]

[B]The parliament's backing of the deal -- supported by 69 MPs in the 120-seat chamber -- smooths the way for a referendum to be held at a later date[/B] (AP)

Pelagonija 06-19-2018 05:14 PM

Told you so.. :)

If Ivanov gets in the way they will screw him over, they are threatening already.

[url]https://kanal5.com.mk/articles/338959/zaev-vo-samo-vistina-ako-treba-i-impichment-kje-pokreneme-za-ivanov-nema-da-dozvolime-nikoj-da-ja-kochi-evropskata-idnina-na-makedonija[/url]

Btw I’m still no clearer as how ZZ can change the constitution or impeach the president without 2/3 majority, they only have 69/120 though they require 80/120

Niko777 06-19-2018 05:21 PM

[QUOTE=Pelagonija;174265]

Btw I’m still no clearer as how ZZ can change the constitution or impeach the president without 2/3 majority, they only have 69/120 though they require 80/120[/QUOTE]

I heard that you don't need a 2/3 majority if it passes in a referendum?

Pelagonija 06-19-2018 05:54 PM

[QUOTE=Niko777;174266]I heard that you don't need a 2/3 majority if it passes in a referendum?[/QUOTE]

Ok, so that’s why they are so keen on that idea, let’s hope it doesn’t get to a referendum because we all know it’s going to succeed for the yes camp.

Insane stuff really, we are giving up our soul to join an organisation who’s poorest and bankrupt member insists on hiding past injustices and for us to change our identity.

This can only be stopped with blood, the more people Zaev throws in jail the likely the scenario... eventually someone is going to snap..

Soldier of Macedon 06-19-2018 06:11 PM

[QUOTE=Niko777;174266]I heard that you don't need a 2/3 majority if it passes in a referendum?[/QUOTE]
According to Todor Petrov, 2/3 parliament majority is still needed after a referendum for the constitution to be changed.

[url]http://www.macedoniantruth.org/forum/showthread.php?p=174273#post174273[/url]

Where did you hear different?


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