Cases of Greek bishops destroying and burning Macedonian relics

[Pelister]

According to H.Brailsford the Greek bishops set about burning the Macedonian libraries in the old monastaries.

Brailsford, p.196
Vasil Bogov, Macedonian Revelation, p.228

[Pelister]

Oh, and there is this.

In 1905, a Greek band entered the village of Varla (near Grevena). Once there they murdered the Macedonian priest and two notables. After that they destroyed the small Macedonian library in the church and the service books.

source:

Vasil Bogov, Macedonian Revelation, p.235
Douglas Dakin, The Greek Struggle in Macedonia, p.236

[Demos]

Oh, and there is this.



source:

Vasil Bogov, Macedonian Revelation, p.235
Douglas Dakin, The Greek Struggle in Macedonia, p.236

Pelister,

Just curious. Do you know what year we live in? It's 2009 and you're posting a story about something that happened in 1905 as though it happened yesterday.

I think you should sue Greece at take us to the ICJ for these crimes.

[Pelister]

Pelister,

Just curious. Do you know what year we live in? It's 2009 and you're posting a story about something that happened in 1905 as though it happened yesterday.

I think you should sue Greece at take us to the ICJ for these crimes.

I tell you why this needs to be posted.

1. The Greek State employs people to discredit, deny the Macedonians as we speak

2. Many Macedonians died directly as a result of violent confrontations, and historians have been silent on the destructive effects on the Macedonian people.

3. Where there was unprovoked violence, the blame must be placed on the colonisers, or Cretan Greeks. The Macedonians were good law abiding Christians defending their place and property from an illegal invader.

4. The Macedonian people are never given enough credit, not historically nor in the present day - those Macedonians who write their village history, family history ...etc are telling a story of survival and human achievement rather than one of violence, defeat and loss, even though that is what it is.

5. This one is important. The New Greek State is presenting a version of its national past that provides a basis for denying Macedonian right in the present. So it is important to address the past.

6. There should be more concern among historians over how the Greek State, and its historians misrepresent and misinform about who they are, and who the Macedonians are.

7. We need to acknowledge Macedonian survival and continuity.

8. Greeks have been trying to destroy the foundations of Macedonian society, and steal from it.

9. There are other considerations. There is an older assumption (a false one) out of the West, that Macedonia is Greek.

10. Morality. The Greek State, and Greek historians should be accused of being insensitive to the feelings of Macedonians, and the memory of Macedonians who have been the victims of violations, genocide and theft.

11. The violence of the Greek colonial front must never be forgotten (that is the whole point).

12. Greek historians lack compassion for those whose lives and societies they rapidly destroyed, and this needs to be redressed.

13. Finally, it is to reveal that the phrase "Macedonia is Greek" at Salonika airport has at the very least a very weak historical footing. The Greek nation still constitutes the central organizing concept for historians, and the problems of pseudo-history and human rights arising from this.

[Demos]

I tell you why this needs to be posted.

1. The Greek State employs people to discredit, deny the Macedonians as we speak

2. Many Macedonians died directly as a result of violent confrontations, and historians have been silent on the destructive effects on the Macedonian people.

3. Where there was unprovoked violence, the blame must be placed on the colonisers, or Cretan Greeks. The Macedonians were good law abiding Christians defending their place and property from an illegal invader.

4. The Macedonian people are never given enough credit, not historically nor in the present day - those Macedonians who write their village history, family history ...etc are telling a story of survival and human achievement rather than one of violence, defeat and loss, even though that is what it is.

5. This one is important. The New Greek State is presenting a version of its national past that provides a basis for denying Macedonian right in the present. So it is important to address the past.

6. There should be more concern among historians over how the Greek State, and its historians misrepresent and misinform about who they are, and who the Macedonians are.

7. We need to acknowledge Macedonian survival and continuity.

8. Greeks have been trying to destroy the foundations of Macedonian society, and steal from it.

9. There are other considerations. There is an older assumption (a false one) out of the West, that Macedonia is Greek.

10. Morality. The Greek State, and Greek historians should be accused of being insensitive to the feelings of Macedonians, and the memory of Macedonians who have been the victims of violations, genocide and theft.

11. The violence of the Greek colonial front must never be forgotten (that is the whole point).

12. Greek historians lack compassion for those whose lives and societies they rapidly destroyed, and this needs to be redressed.

13. Finally, it is to reveal that the phrase "Macedonia is Greek" at Salonika airport has at the very least a very weak historical footing. The Greek nation still constitutes the central organizing concept for historians, and the problems of pseudo-history and human rights arising from this.

Hmm interesting. So let me ask you a question. How can Greeks be colonizers of Macedonia when the Ottoman census figures showed us to have the highest population in Pella and Pieria and also the fact that Macedonians aren't even mentioned in the census?

What's your explanation for this? How is it that Greeks, Bulgarians, Jews, Turks, and Serbs are all mentioned, but yet somehow and mysteriously Macedonians are no where to be found?

[Soldier of Macedon]

You're right Demos man!

Come on, now is a perfect chance to show these guys that the modern Greeks have called themselves "Hellenes" from the time of Christ till the 1800's.

Come on man, do it now! But please, no ROMANS.

[TerraNova]

You're right Demos man!

Come on, now is a perfect chance to show these guys that the modern Greeks have called themselves "Hellenes" from the time of Christ till the 1800's.

Come on man, do it now! But please, no ROMANS.

I don't bother if someone calls me Romio. I could call myself such so.
Romios=Ellinas=Greek=Yunan
Can you say the same about Macedonian and Bulgarian? I guess not.

[makedonin]

What's your explanation for this? How is it that Greeks, Bulgarians, Jews, Turks, and Serbs are all mentioned, but yet somehow and mysteriously Macedonians are no where to be found?

Talking about this Ottoman Census data, you have to keep in Mind that:

............ the legacy of the Ottoman millet system which divided the empire's population according to religious affiliation, leading to a long-lasting correlation between religion and identity.


Source

About the Ottoman Census click here ..........


What is your take about the Moslems and Catolics counted in the Census?

Are they come kind of ethnicity?


Ethnic Moslems and Ethnic Catolics, I would like to see a prove of it!

Show me what you have !

[Soldier of Macedon]

I don't bother if someone calls me Romio. I could call myself such so.
Romios=Ellinas=Greek=Yunan
Can you say the same about Macedonian and Bulgarian? I guess not.

Macedonian = European nation
Bulgarian = Asian nation

Romios = Romans
Ellinas = Pagans
Greek = East Christians in western terminology

Yunan is good for you. How about you change your name to Yunanistan?

[TerraNova]

Macedonian = European nation
Bulgarian = Asian nation

Romios = Romans
Ellinas = Pagans
Greek = East Christians in western terminology

Yunan is good for you. How about you change your name to Yunanistan?

Oohh... what a scientific terminology!
You must directly apply to Cambridge..they need you!

[Soldier of Macedon]

No, no, they need you and your Romios = Hellenes theory, you should submit it to them right away so this nightmare of yours will end

[TerraNova]

No, no, they need you and your Romios = Hellenes theory, you should submit it to them right away so this nightmare of yours will end

I told you -i don't bother if you call me one of the above names.I like them all.
You have a problem if someone calls you Bulgarian.
So ..it's your nightmare

[Soldier of Macedon]

Being called 'Bulgar' is not a reality, Bulgars were an Asiatic tribe, so in reality, their name means nothing to the Macedonians. Macedonians do not identify as 'Bulgars'.

Being called 'Roman' is not a reality, Romans were a Latin tribe, so in reality, their name means nothing to the modern Greeks. Modern Greeks do not identify as 'Romans'.

Who knows where the "Hellenes" popped out from, probably some bored German reading a classical text.

[TerraNova]

Being called 'Bulgar' is not a reality, Bulgars were an Asiatic tribe, so in reality, their name means nothing to the Macedonians. Macedonians do not identify as 'Bulgars'.

Being called 'Roman' is not a reality, Romans were a Latin tribe, so in reality, their name means nothing to the modern Greeks. Modern Greeks do not identify as 'Romans'.

Who knows where the "Hellenes" popped out from, probably some bored German reading a classical text.

My nephew in kindergarten would have a more intelligent and sophisticated approach ..
What is the image you have about Bulgaria,sitting in your home in Terra Australiensis?
I guess you re afraid that crossing the border from RoM to Bulgaria you ll meet the Hordes of Asparuh ,eating horses and singing in their turcic language..

and some funny staff from the "biggest whiskers ever" Greek singer Kokotas ('60s-'70s)
"Romios agapise Romia,Romia kai Thessalonikia .."

[Soldier of Macedon]

Your nephew from kindergarten probably believes he is descended from Pericles' armpit.

Stop trying to usurp 1000 different generic terms for your name and just settle on one. What is it about the indecisive nature of your people, it take you 140 years to decide whether or not you are going to use a dead language and you still criminally snatch and grab any term in history which fits the mythology of your largely artificial identity.