Common Cultural Traits

[Soldier of Macedon]

Some Chinese and Indian cultures have the circle dances (oro, kolo), and furthermore, during wedding ceremonies, they also perform a similar custom whereby the grooms party tries to 'bribe' their way into the brides house. This is very similar to our Macedonian customs, yet China and India are far removed from Macedonia, let alone Europe.

How could this have come about? The Macedonian campaign in Asia? Christianity or Islam?

[Soldier of Macedon]

There is another custom which appears to be similar in both European and Asian cultures (or at least some of each side), and that is when one spits or pretends to spit to warn off evil spirits. I know that many Macedonian mothers do this just before their children go to sleep, if I recall correctly, they would pretend to spit on top of their hand and stroke the forehead of the children three times. I have since discovered that some south Asian cultures also do something similar.

[Risto the Great]

Every time I go to China I have a ball dancing oro in a Tibetan restaurant there. The dances are extremely familiar.

they also perform a similar custom whereby the grooms party tries to 'bribe' their way into the brides house.

Happens everywhere .... after they get married, they try to bribe anyone to get rid of the wife .... lol

[Epirot]

Some Chinese and Indian cultures have the circle dances (oro, kolo), and furthermore, during wedding ceremonies, they also perform a similar custom whereby the grooms party tries to 'bribe' their way into the brides house. This is very similar to our Macedonian customs, yet China and India are far removed from Macedonia, let alone Europe.

How could this have come about? The Macedonian campaign in Asia? Christianity or Islam?

The first appears more plausible. The Macedonian influence during Alexander's expedition isn't studied at all. Every scholar is centered on how Macedonians spread the Hellenism but it's obvious that some people who fell under Macedonian rule accepted some original Macedonian cultural traits, which have nothing to do with the Greek ones.

But I think that Chinese "oro" has no connection whatsoever with Balkans one. It is merely a coincidence. For that one danced in India, I've no knowledge. If you have please share, because I am very interested to know where exactly is practiced. I would say in Northern India...

[Soldier of Macedon]

I think that Chinese "oro" has no connection whatsoever with Balkans one. It is merely a coincidence.

Palestinians also have such circle dances, not sure about other Arabs. I am pretty sure that similar dances can be found among some Celtic groups also. I think it is more than a coincidence though, probably stemming from some time well before recorded history, because cultural traits like circle dances represent a bonding element that can be considered a simple yet archaic example of kinship.

[George S.]

Ok then explain to me the similarity of some sanscrit words that are similar to macedonian??Also i asked a few indian people where their dancing oro originated ,their culture,their language & customs.They said people from the high land.I was puzled to learn all these things & they have similar things with marriage customs so where & where did these come from.?Who gave them the tapan & the music to dance there are similarities.I was intersred to the point where i wanted to learn more about the sanscrit alphabet.I stopped why because i found it too complicated as no one was using it today.Maybe a few people.What i'm trying to say laughs aside there seems to be similarities.Does anyone know why???

[Soldier of Macedon]

George, you've made a mess of this thread, so I deleted your other posts which were irrelevant. For some similarities like the circle dances, read my previous post. As for the relationship between Sanskrit and Macedonian in the narrow sense, or better yet Balto-Slavic and Indo-Iranian in the broader sense, it all comes back to Proto Indo-European. And these two groups share more affinity with each other than any other linguistic group in the PIE family.

[Onur]

I believe, the most of these similarities came from Eurasian steppes where nomadic Iranian, Turkic, Germanic and Chinese people had interaction between themselves and it`s so old, like 3500 BC and maybe even earlier.

Did you know that all the mummies from ancient era which has been found in as eastern as today`s northern China, Mongolia are Caucasian peoples only. Earliest Mongolian type of mummies are dated 100 BC but earlier ones of like 3500-1000 BC are only Caucasians or European type.

Did you watch this documentary?;
‪Forbidden History - Mummies of China‬‏ - YouTube
Notice the female mummy from 300 BC in 06:45min., a tribal magician woman with a huge conical hat, which will later to be identified as witch hats in early christian germanic cultures.

And the clothing of 2000 BC mummies from northern China. Same type of woven of medieval Celts and other Germanic people, watch from 03:45min.



These mummies in northern China are another proof of nomadic Germanic people`s ancestral lands of Eurasia, central Asia, Caucasus with their clothes, habits, pre-christianity beliefs etc.

‪Loulan Beauty Documentary Clip - Xinjiang Mummies‬‏ - YouTube

[Soldier of Macedon]

I believe, the most of these similarities came from Eurasian steppes where nomadic Iranian, Turkic, Germanic and Chinese people had interaction between themselves and it`s so old, like 3500 BC and maybe even earlier.

Why doesn't your suggestion suprise me, lol. The steppe covers a very large area, but Germanic wasn't spoken there 5000 years ago let alone interacted with Turkic languages. I don't, however, discount the possibility that the circle dances may be tied to the spread of Indo-European people(s).

[Onur]

As it says in the documentary, it`s been discovered that the trade between the west and east predates the foundation of silk road in 300 AD. There was ornaments which came from southern Indian shores on the 4000 year old mummy.

The steppe covers a very large area, but Germanic wasn't spoken there 5000 years ago let alone interacted with Turkic languages.

I never said something about languages cuz no one knows what language they spoke 5000 years ago but it`s quite obvious from their religion, sun symbols and animal tattoos on their bodies, clothing style, nomadic horsemanship, composite bows that these people was the ancestors of nomadic Germanic, Turkic, Iranians.

Why you underlined Turkic there? A horseman warrior mummy in central Asia with tattoos all over his body, composite bow and stuff, so, whose ancestor he might be? Not Greeks, Romans ha?

I don't, however, discount the possibility that the circle dances may be tied to the spread of Indo-European people(s).

Not only dances, as you can see from documentary again, clothing style, pre-christianity beliefs, Germanic, Uralic, Turkic languages, all these cultural traits came from Eurasian steppes.

[Soldier of Macedon]

Why you underlined Turkic there?

Because I notice that you try and link certain things to a Turkic element when such an element may not even be accurately defined or have even been in existence at that time. Just an observation, no need to get excited.

Not only dances, as you can see from documentary again, clothing style, pre-christianity beliefs, Germanic, Uralic, Turkic languages, all these cultural traits came from Eurasian steppes.

Be realistic. Circle dances (among other cultural traits) are found across the globe, not just Europe and Asia. And Germanic didn't develop directly from the Eurasian steppes - even if one is to accept that region as the homeland of the Proto Indo-European language. Sometimes you give the impression that Europe owes its cultural heritage to the ancestors of the Turks.

[Soldier of Macedon]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oro_(dance)

The Republic of Macedonia uses the Cyrillic spelling of "oro" (Cyrillic: Opo). The origins of Macedonian oro vary from its use in socializing and celebrating, to historical dancing before going into battle. "TESHKOTO", translated "The difficult one", is one of those, danced by men only, and the music of which reflects the sorrow and mood of war. Oro in Macedonia reflects past hardships that Macedonians endured through melody, lyrics and movements. Today, oro is danced in a circle, with men and women holding one another by hand. They are used to celebrate present happy occasions, such as weddings, christenings, name-days, national and religious holidays, graduations, birthdays.

[Onur]

Because I notice that you try and link certain things to a Turkic element when such an element may not even be accurately defined or have even been in existence at that time. Just an observation, no need to get excited.

Well, i rightfully do associate them with Turkic peoples of 500 AD cuz these are tattooed mummies from 1000 BC found in central Asia with composite bow, horses and stuff. I also do associate them with Iranian and Germanic nomads. The scientists in the documentary does that too.

And Germanic didn't develop directly from the Eurasian steppes - even if one is to accept that region as the homeland of the Proto Indo-European language.

Germanic people came to Europe from Eurasia by using the pathways around the northern Blacksea. This is an undisputed issue.

Some people might invent theories about 10.000 year existence of it in today`s Germany and you can prefer to believe those but this doesn't make it right.

Btw this race of being more indigenous to particular places sickens me anymore. It`s becoming stupid cuz literally every society in the world claims that they were living in their current territory for at least 10.000 years!!! If we believe those theories then it means like no one in the world ever moved and migrated for the last 10.000 years. And this is stupid.

Sometimes you give the impression that Europe owes its cultural heritage to the ancestors of the Turks.

I keep repeating like Eurasian steppes was home to the Germanic and Iranic peoples too, not only Turkics but since you don't accept that, so you always get in to the false impressions like that.

Yes, Europeans except Latins owes their cultural heritage to the peoples which has been shown in the documentary. But after they became christians in Europe, they accepted and absorbed Greco-Roman culture and this is what prevalent today.

[Soldier of Macedon]

Well, i rightfully do associate them with Turkic peoples of 500 AD cuz these are tattooed mummies from 1000 BC found in central Asia with composite bow, horses and stuff.

It's fine to associate with it, but the notion of 'Turkic' didn't exist back in 1000 BC. Nor did the notion of 'Germanic'.

Germanic people came to Europe from Eurasia by using the pathways around the northern Blacksea. This is an undisputed issue.

People were already living in other parts of Europe prior to the spread of the Indo-European language. That is the undisputed fact. The suggestion that 'Germanic' peoples per se (rather than Indo-Europeans) came from Eurasia lacks substance and logic.

Some people might invent theories about 10.000 year existence of it in today`s Germany and you can prefer to believe those but this doesn't make it right.

What are you talking about?

Btw this race of being more indigenous to particular places sickens me anymore. It`s becoming stupid cuz literally every society in the world claims that they were living in their current territory for at least 10.000 years!!!

Turks aren't exempt either with their Sumerian and Anatolian theories. And you've basically claimed 5,500 years of continuity in the Eurasian steppe for the Turkic peoples. How is that any different? Don't you think that several elements contributed to the development of Turkic languages and peoples, like all others in this world?

I keep repeating like Eurasian steppes was home to the Germanic and Iranic peoples too, not only Turkics but since you don't accept that, so you always get in to the false impressions like that.

It is you that has a false impression, and you've also misunderstood what I wrote. I agree that Turkic peoples (or some of their ancestors) have lived in the Eurasian steppe for some time, but their interaction was with Indo-European peoples. Germanic peoples only came to form after the split of the Proto Indo-European language.

Yes, Europeans except Latins owes their cultural heritage to the peoples which has been shown in the documentary.

Some cultural heritage perhaps, but certainly not all of it. Funny how you link it to Turks though. How exactly do you think the Proto Indo-European language developed, as a Turkic dialect?

[Onur]

It`s clear that we have misunderstanding problem today with you SOM. I don't know what are you trying to achieve with your assumptions and weird questions like "Indo-European as a Turkic dialect" but you are assuming things which i`ve never said.

It's fine to associate with it, but the notion of 'Turkic' didn't exist back in 1000 BC. Nor did the notion of 'Germanic'.

Did i say it existed? If the notions of Turkic, Germanic would exist back then then i would talk about "continuity" and i would call these 4000 year old mummies as Turks and Germans. I used the word "association" but you imply that i am talking about "continuity". There is a nuance of difference between these words.

Some cultural heritage perhaps, but certainly not all of it. Funny how you link it to Turks though. How exactly do you think the Proto Indo-European language developed, as a Turkic dialect?

You are tiring me SOM. You imply too much about me with some kind of weird suspect.