Macedonians noted on a racial and linguistic map of Europe, 1920!

[Daskalot]

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Published by London Geographical Institute in "The Peoples Atlas" name of the map "Europe Racial And Linguistic", 1920.


Damn Tito and his time machines...... Tesla made it for him surely..... stupid Slav inventors...... no my brain hurts again........ NOOOOOOOOO...... this is fake........

[TerraNova]

Do you consider this map valid?

[Daskalot]

yes, do you?

[TerraNova]

yes, do you?

So do u agree on the term Macedonian Slavs instead of Macedonians or ethnic Macedonians?
And also....do you agree on what this map suggests-No Macedonians at all in Skopje area,Prilep,Pirin ,East Aegean Macedonia?

[Risto the Great]

An interesting map, I am not sure how on Earth they could arrive at a Bulgarian group to the left of the Macedonians. But it does attempt to distinguish us from the Bulgars & Serbs in the 1920's. Which was apparently before Tito. I say "apparently" because there is a rumour that he is still alive and has been for 3000 years now.

[Svoliani]

Excellent map, thank you for posting.

Under Slav races we have Macedonian Slavs .
Philosopher might have a heart attack to see that hes a Slav , but im sure he will make it . Nothing wrong with Slavic people.

Bulgarians to the east of Skopje, even i wont agree with this. This is Macedonian Slav territory. Bulgarians around Seres and Pirin . YES very true and accurate.

Greeks in Halkidiki , Katerini , Grevena , Kozani , no surprise there.
Greeks in Smyrna , Constantinople , North Shore of Black Sea(pontus)
and in Varna all along the coast of the Black Sea. Excellent stuff.
Around Seres and Drama should be some pockets of Greeks, but its ok the map cant be 100% perfect.

Spolaiti once again.

[Daskalot]

So do u agree on the term Macedonian Slavs instead of Macedonians or ethnic Macedonians?
And also....do you agree on what this map suggests-No Macedonians at all in Skopje area,Prilep,Pirin ,East Aegean Macedonia?

The map has gone a long way but not all the way, Macedonian Slav is not a good term neither for us or for you, We are Macedonians, you are Greeks, it is very simple.

The map is not perfect, but it sheds some light, even Serbian and Greek sources from the time acknowledge that there are a people who are different to the Serbs and the Greeks, the Serbian scholar J. Cvijić noted also the Macedonian Slavs so did the Greek scholar G. Soteriadis. These were labels given to the Macedonians by a third party and not by themselves. There are many Macedonian sources noting this.

In conclusion, Macedonian Slav is a label by third party, to be noted is that at least the Macedonian Slavs are noted independently and not as a part of the neighbouring countries interests.

Just for a comfortable stay here at our forum TerraNova, we are Macedonians, we speak Macedonian and our Republic is the Republic of Macedonia, just so you do not forget.

[Daskalot]

Excellent map, thank you for posting.

Under Slav races we have Macedonian Slavs .
Philosopher might have a heart attack to see that hes a Slav , but im sure he will make it . Nothing wrong with Slavic people.

Bulgarians to the east of Skopje, even i wont agree with this. This is Macedonian Slav territory. Bulgarians around Seres and Pirin . YES very true and accurate.

Greeks in Halkidiki , Katerini , Grevena , Kozani , no surprise there.
Greeks in Smyrna , Constantinople , North Shore of Black Sea(pontus)
and in Varna all along the coast of the Black Sea. Excellent stuff.
Around Seres and Drama should be some pockets of Greeks, but its ok the map cant be 100% perfect.

Spolaiti once again.

Good that you like it, for more info you can see my answer above to TerraNova.
Svoliani, we are Macedonians only we speak a Slavic language yes, but do not call us Macedonian Slavs, I have warned you in the other thread so this is just a remainder. Next time you will be back in the gulags in mother Russia.

[TerraNova]

The map is not perfect, but it sheds some light, even Serbian and Greek sources from the time acknowledge that there are a people who are different to the Serbs and the Greeks, the Serbian scholar J. Cvijić noted also the Macedonian Slavs so did the Greek scholar G. Soteriadis. These were labels given to the Macedonians by a third party and not by themselves. There are many Macedonian sources noting this.

In conclusion, Macedonian Slav is a label by third party, to be noted is that at least the Macedonian Slavs are noted independently and not as a part of the neighbouring countries interests.
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Exactly Dascalot!

Serbs and Greeks were promoting the term Macedonian Slavs at that time,exactly in order to separate Macedonians from Bulgarians.
Bulgarians were their rival in the Balcans,against them they both fought in the second Balcan war as well as in WWI.

Bulgarians on the other hand ,as well as almost all of Westerns were depicting Macedonians as Bulgarians.
Only after 1918 and after Bulgaria joined Axis ,some started drawing Macedonians or Macedonian Slavs (as they are named on the label of the maps) separate on their maps.

But even then,Macedonians are shown to reach Strymon/Struma eastwards,Serres-Edessa/Voden-Kastoria southwards and south of Skopje at teh North.
There is not any ethnological map,depicting Macedonians inhabiting the whole area that is known in RoM as United Macedonia.

[Daskalot]

Exactly Dascalot!

Serbs and Greeks were promoting the term Macedonian Slavs at that time,exactly in order to separate Macedonians from Bulgarians.
Bulgarians were their rival in the Balcans,against them they both fought in the second Balcan war as well as in WWI.

Bulgarians on the other hand ,as well as almost all of Westerns were depicting Macedonians as Bulgarians.
Only after 1918 and after Bulgaria joined Axis ,some started drawing Macedonians or Macedonian Slavs (as they are named on the label of the maps) separate on their maps.

But even then,Macedonians are shown to reach Strymon/Struma eastwards,Serres-Edessa/Voden-Kastoria southwards and south of Skopje at teh North.
There is not any ethnological map,depicting Macedonians inhabiting the whole area that is known in RoM as United Macedonia.

Exactly, you see it were the Bulgarians or any other third party that was influenced by the Bulgarians that said this, not the Macedonians themselves.

The thing is that the Macedonians are a piece in the Balkan puzzle that you and the others like to neglect or diminish. If the Greeks, Serbs and Bulgars were not to interfere in Macedonian affairs the Macedonians would have their peace as Macedonians.

[Risto the Great]

As I suggested before, the map is useful for delineating Macedonians from anyone else.
It certainly has its shortcomings.
I note no "Macedonian Greeks" on the map (for good reason), so it was quite redundant to use that awful descriptor.

[Svoliani]

Good that you like it, for more info you can see my answer above to TerraNova.
Svoliani, we are Macedonians only we speak a Slavic language yes, but do not call us Macedonian Slavs, I have warned you in the other thread so this is just a remainder. Next time you will be back in the gulags in mother Russia.

You posted this map , i did not. You Endorsed this map and now are unhappy because i used the term that is clearly mentioned on the map???? You were asked if the map is accurate, your reply was yes.
Please explain yourself sir.

And then explain why you parade around with United Macedonia Maps when according to this map , you are nowhere near to being the majority in the area!!!! What a shock , Macedonians make up the smallest number in Macedonia !!! Lele

[Daskalot]

You posted this map , i did not. You Endorsed this map and now are unhappy because i used the term that is clearly mentioned on the map???? You were asked if the map is accurate, your reply was yes.
Please explain yourself sir.

And then explain why you parade around with United Macedonia Maps when according to this map , you are nowhere near to being the majority in the area!!!! What a shock , Macedonians make up the smallest number in Macedonia !!! Lele

I think I have made myself clear, just go back and read my posts.

I sense that you are a Pontian, that is why you know Russian, Pontians were in mother Russia, your connection to the Kastoria-Kozani region is your Vlachoi connection, that is what your Yaya Despina were when she was wandering the pindus with her kozi..... am I wrong here Mr EdNahou?

[Daskalot]

CLICK HERE TO SEE THE MAP

Published by London Geographical Institute in "The Peoples Atlas" name of the map "Europe Racial And Linguistic", 1920.


Damn Tito and his time machines...... Tesla made it for him surely..... stupid Slav inventors...... no my brain hurts again........ NOOOOOOOOO...... this is fake........

Here is a map on the same theme, better but not perfect.

Völker- und Sprachen karte der Balkan-Halbinsel, 1924

[Philosopher]

I think I have made myself clear, just go back and read my posts.

I sense that you are a Pontian, that is why you know Russian, Pontians were in mother Russia, your connection to the Kastoria-Kozani region is your Vlachoi connection, that is what your Yaya Despina were when she was wandering the pindus with her kozi..... am I wrong here Mr EdNahou?

This explains the 35% R1a of "Greek Macedonians."