Looks like Kyrgyzstan is now under Russian conrol

[Big Bad Sven]

Interesting developments happening after the government collapsed....


Kremlin sends troops to Kyrgyzstan to protect Russian citizens.

The Russian government has announced that it will send troops to the Central Asian nation of Kyrgyzstan after two days of political turmoil.
Bishkek, Kyrgyzstan – On Thursday, Russia announced that it has sent troops to Kyrgyzstan to protect Russian citizens and its military base after the opposition overthrew the elected government and formed its own interim six month government, according to the Globe and Mail.

http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/290256

New Russia-Backed Kyrgyz Regime ‘Should’ Shut Down Key U.S. Military Base

Following yesterday's overthrow of the U.S.-allied government, "Kyrgyzstan’s new leaders sought to reassure Washington Thursday that it can continue to use the strategic Manas airbase near the capital Bishkek as a supply link for U.S. operations in Afghanistan", Mohammed Salih reports at Inter Press Services

http://news.infoshop.org/article.php?story=2010040900340763

Whats the bet that Khazakstan and the other central asian countries go back under russian control, with possibly maybe Tajikistan moving towards Iran.
wonder what the yanks will do now....

[Onur]

I guess their previous rulers was supported by USA and these new ones are Pro-Russian.

This is happening because Caucasus is the new energy source of the world and big guns of the world are trying to secure biggest share for themselves like they did the same at middle-east for like 100 years.

Unfortunately, its the ordinary people who suffers most because all of this.

Collateral Murder

"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5rXPrfnU3G0"

Wikileaks has obtained and decrypted this previously unreleased video footage from a US Apache helicopter in 2007. It shows Reuters journalist Namir Noor-Eldeen, driver Saeed Chmagh, and several others as the Apache shoots and kills them in a public square in Eastern Baghdad. They are apparently assumed to be insurgents. After the initial shooting, an unarmed group of adults and children in a minivan arrives on the scene and attempts to transport the wounded. They are fired upon as well. Right after the incident, USA military officers also purposely drive over the injured Reuters journalist with their heavy vehicles.

The official statement on this incident initially listed all adults as insurgents and claimed the US military did not know how the deaths occurred.

Wikileaks released this video with transcripts and a package of supporting documents on April 5th 2010 on

http://collateralmurder.com

I hope that we wont see the scenes like that at Caucasus.

[julie]

That is horrible, seems the US has immunity by claiming everyone they murder is an insurgent! I vertainly hope that this would not happen again
I dont like human suffering, I also dont like other countries shoving their nose in that dont belong there

[Soldier of Macedon]

In the city of Osh, there have been riots and tension between Kyrgyz and Uzbek groups. Onur, can you shed a little more light on what exactly is the problem between these two Turkic groups?

[Makedonetz]

Is there a place in this world the USA doesn;t have their asses in?

This really steps up russia's superpower statues gaining another territory. Russia is turning into another USSR it seems.

[Onur]

The high tension still continues in there after the revolution in April. AFAIK, Uzbek groups who lives in Kyrgyzstan still supports pro-USA old president. When he was overthrown by pro-Russian groups, he already took refuge among this Uzbek people in the country for some time.

Now it looks like there is a fight between pro-Russians and pro-USA groups in the country.

These people lived under Russian yoke for a long time and it was so strict especially at Stalin government. It`s not difficult to manipulate these people and neither Russians nor USA leaves them alone after USSR collapsed because every country at Khazar sea living on top of huge energy sources. Only Azerbaijan managed to prevail as a solid state among all these Turkic speaking ex-USSR countries but it was with a strong support from Turkey. Nevertheless, they suffered a lot too at 1990s by Russian policies.

Nothing is officially declared but i guess along with Russia, Turkey supports new government in Kyrgyzstan too because just a week after the revolution in April, new Kyrgyzstan president came to Turkey and they declared to the media that they will follow Turkey as a role model in every way.



Also, i agree to you Makedonetz. Russia is trying to return to his glory days. This is clear as a day but i think, Russians understood that they wont be able to do that without Turkey`s approval and they wanna gain influence in every ex-USSR Turkic speaking countries with the approval of Turkey because i have no other explanation of this recent honeymoon like relations between Turkey and Russia.

Also did you hear that Russians canceled every pipeline and nuclear reactor projects with Bulgaria yesterday? Bulgarians said that they don't have enough money to fund these projects but experts said that it was the Russians who canceled the projects. They did this after we(Turkey) agreed with them for several big energy distribution projects last month.

Russians disqualifies their most loyal pet, Bulgars and in place of who? The Turks!!! If someone would have told me that a year ago, i would call him crazy!!!

Very strange things happening this year. After 1000 year of endless conflicts and competition, maybe Russians realized in the end that becoming an ally with Turkey is a good thing for them, hehe

[Risto the Great]

Also did you hear that Russians canceled every pipeline and nuclear reactor projects with Bulgaria yesterday? They did this after we(Turkey) agreed with them with several big energy distribution projects. Russians disqualifies their most loyal pet, Bulgars and in place of who? The Turks!!! If someone would have told me that a year ago, i would call him crazy!!!

Strange things happening in recent year.

Wow! That is big news. I hope Macedonian politicians take note of this.

[Onur]

Wow! That is big news. I hope Macedonian politicians take note of this.

Russia 'suspends' oil pipeline

Moscow may suspend construction of the Burgas-Alexandroupolis oil pipeline because of delays from Bulgaria, the Russian energy minister said.

Bulgaria in 2007 signed an agreement with Russia and Greece to build the 174-mile Burgas-Alexandroupolis oil pipeline to bypass crowded waterways near Turkey by crossing an overland route to the Aegean Sea

Russia's state-owned pipeline operator Transneft said late payments from Sofia are having a negative impact on project development.

Russian Energy Minister Sergei Shmatko said Moscow delays from Sofia were creating problems for the project, Russia's state-run news agency RIA Novosti reports.

"I am not saying we will stop it but we will suspend it until we understand the position of the Bulgarian side and we will stop financing the project," he said.

The energy minister said the federal budget stipulates money for the pipeline must be spent by the end of the year.

In December, Sofia said the terms of the Burgas-Alexandroupolis contract wouldn't deliver an economic benefit to the country, blaming previous leaders for shortfalls. Russian officials challenged the government's claims.

"Today we have to state that the Burgas-Alexandroupolis project is practically suspended," the minister said.

http://www.upi.com/Science_News/Resource-Wars/2010/06/10/Russia-suspends-oil-pipeline/UPI-42011276182045/

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This was the only pipeline project which bypassed Turkey. Maybe Turkey demanded from Russians to cancel it to be able to sign new contracts with us or it might only be related with economics, since neither Bulgars nor Greeks can fund a 13 billion euros worth energy projects these days.

[Risto the Great]

This sounds more like a demand for money. Not quite a shift in allegiance.

[Prolet]

Onur, So tell me something do all those Former USSR countries in the Asia region belong in the same group as the Turks? I thought it was just Azerbaijan who had close links to Turkey?? Keep in mind that there is still Uzbekistan,Turmenistan,Tajikistan,Kyrkigstan,Kazha kstan these are major countries with almost 100 million people why would they have such strong alliances with Turkey? I always thought they would be influenced by Russia? Russia has a major base in Kazakhstan. All these countries are very close to Afghanistan and Pakistan they border them and the US Influence always seems to be around that region there.

Another thing Onur, if Russia bypasses Greece and Bulgaria how will the pipeline get to Macedonia? Lets not forget that Lukoil and Gazprom both Russian Heavyweights are active in Macedonia and Serbia.

[Struja]

Onur, So tell me something do all those Former USSR countries in the Asia region belong in the same group as the Turks? I thought it was just Azerbaijan who had close links to Turkey?? Keep in mind that there is still Uzbekistan,Turmenistan,Tajikistan,Kyrkigstan,Kazha kstan these are major countries with almost 100 million people why would they have such strong alliances with Turkey? I always thought they would be influenced by Russia? Russia has a major base in Kazakhstan. All these countries are very close to Afghanistan and Pakistan they border them and the US Influence always seems to be around that region there.

Another thing Onur, if Russia bypasses Greece and Bulgaria how will the pipeline get to Macedonia? Lets not forget that Lukoil and Gazprom both Russian Heavyweights are active in Macedonia and Serbia.

prolet, the AMBO pipeline hasn't been affected. only the BApipeline has.

http://maps.grida.no/go/graphic/major-oil-pipeline-projects

[Prolet]

That was Taskovic who had something to do with that ambo project if i remember, but i think that was a different project or i could be wrong.

Thanks for the feedback Struja

[Onur]

Onur, So tell me something do all those Former USSR countries in the Asia region belong in the same group as the Turks? I thought it was just Azerbaijan who had close links to Turkey?? Keep in mind that there is still Uzbekistan, Turmenistan, Tajikistan, Kyrkigstan, Kazhakstan these are major countries with almost 100 million people why would they have such strong alliances with Turkey? I always thought they would be influenced by Russia? Russia has a major base in Kazakhstan. All these countries are very close to Afghanistan and Pakistan they border them and the US Influence always seems to be around that region there.

Another thing Onur, if Russia bypasses Greece and Bulgaria how will the pipeline get to Macedonia? Lets not forget that Lukoil and Gazprom both Russian Heavyweights are active in Macedonia and Serbia.

Yes, it`s true that we only have strong links with Azerbaijan but we also have allegiances with others like Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan too, mainly due to common Turkic language but it`s definitely not like Azerbaijan. Also, other Turkic speaking countries kinda admires Azeris fast development and probably they think that it`s a result of their close relationship with Turkey. All of them recently liberated from Russian yoke at the 1990s but the difference between Azeris and the rest is huge now. While Azeris managed to build strong democracy in 20 years, others still struggling to do so and they are still under the influence of Russians as you said. Azeris paid a heavy price for it tough. Russians always wanted to punish them because of their close relationship with Turkey and supported Armenians for 20 years by encouraging them to invade Azerbaijan but i am sure this wont be the case anymore. It looks like Russians accepted the sovereignty of Azeris otherwise Turkey would never sign any agreement with Russia.




It looks like the suspended project between Bulgaria and Russia was some kind of fantasy already due to high construction cost. They wanted to construct pipeline which goes underwater in Blacksea from Ukraine`s waters, east to west coast. It was so expensive for Bulgars to handle it and probably when Russians signed new deals with Turkey, they didn't feel any reason to spend so much money to the underwater project.

As far as i read from media, Russia will not be in the Macedonia`s project. It will be Azerbaijan, Turkey, Bulgaria or Greece to reach Macedonia. In this project, pipelines will be underground and it will be 2-3 times cheaper that the Russia-Bulgaria`s project of Blacksea. I read that the underwater Blacksea project costs 13 billion Euro while all other projects with Turkey costs about 6 billion Euro to build.

[Makedonetz]

Onur does Muldova have turkish influences in that country? What about Gorgiens?

[Onur]

Onur does Muldova have turkish influences in that country? What about Gorgiens?

We don't have any language similarity with Georgians but i think there are about 400.000-500.000 people living in Blacksea coasts of Turkey who are related with Georgians, both linguistically and ethnicity. We call them "Laz" people. They are partly Turks and Georgians.

We don't have any relation with Moldavian either but you know, there are autonomous region of Gagauzia in Moldova and people speaks Turkish in there. I think their population are about 200.000. They are orthodox Christians maybe since 11th century. Their education is still mostly Russian because of USSR days but they were asking our help years ago to gradually replace it with Turkish. AFAIK, Moldavians replaced Russian education system with Moldavian language after USSR collapsed but Gagauzia still using Russian system. They didn't wanna get Moldavian education. They were asking our help to start education in their own Turkish language. I think we send them books and necessary materials from Turkey every year.

Btw, gagauzs are the only christian Turks in Balkans who never assimilated by anyone.