Albanian to sell a rare gravestone outside the borders of Macedonia.

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  • The LION will ROAR
    Senior Member
    • Jan 2009
    • 3231

    Albanian to sell a rare gravestone outside the borders of Macedonia.

    Пред неколку дена во село Каменање, општина Боговиње, Tетовско е пронајдена ретка надгробна плоча со некаков натпис.

    Пред неколку дена во село Каменање, општина Боговиње, Tетовско е пронајдена ретка надгробна плоча со некаков натпис.

    Имаме информации дека сопственикот, етнички Албанец, веќе стапил во контакт и преговара со археолози од Албанија да ја продаде оваа ретка надгробна плоча надвор од границите на Македонија.

    За овој пронајдок се известени во Управа за заштита на културното наследство, меѓутоа до ден денес нема никакви активности да се испита случајов пред да биде прекасно, односно овој редок пронајдок да заврши во некој музеј во соседна Албанија.

    Селаните од ова село не информираа дека во селото Каменање имало уште многу вакви археолошки пронајдоци.

    Фотографија што ја објавуваме е направена од оригиналот на археолошкиот пронајдок.
    The Macedonians originates it, the Bulgarians imitate it and the Greeks exploit it!
  • fyrOM
    Banned
    • Feb 2010
    • 2180

    #2
    there has to be a law against selling historical finds. They should automatically become the property of the state. Where’s gruevski to pounce on this.

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    • Jankovska
      Senior Member
      • Sep 2008
      • 1774

      #3
      Originally posted by OziMak View Post
      there has to be a law against selling historical finds. They should automatically become the property of the state. Where’s gruevski to pounce on this.
      after the gov pays some money to the person who found it. In a poor country where someone can make good money from selling it on the black market it will be difficult to control it unless you decide to pay up.
      Anyone knows what the law is now?

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      • TrueMacedonian
        Senior Member
        • Jan 2009
        • 3812

        #4
        Macedonia doesn't even have a real deportation policy for illegal aliens so we shouldn't expect much from the government to combat something like this.
        Slayer Of The Modern "greek" Myth!!!

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        • The LION will ROAR
          Senior Member
          • Jan 2009
          • 3231

          #5
          I think we need to add these Questions to
          Macedonian Prime Minister's Letterbox


          1) A law against selling Historical finds. They should automatically become the property of the state..Fines and Jail term if selling Historiacl finds in the Black Market
          2) Deportation policy for illegal aliens
          The Macedonians originates it, the Bulgarians imitate it and the Greeks exploit it!

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          • sf.
            Member
            • Jan 2010
            • 387

            #6
            We don't need real artefacts. We'll just make new ones and put them in Skopje.
            Integrity without knowledge is weak and useless, and knowledge without integrity is dangerous and dreadful. - Samuel Johnson (1709-1784)

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            • Serdarot
              Member
              • Feb 2010
              • 605

              #7
              Originally posted by sf. View Post
              We don't need real artefacts. We'll just make new ones and put them in Skopje.
              dude, this ain´t funny at all...
              Bratot:
              Никој не е вечен, а каузава не е нова само е адаптирана на новите услови и ќе се пренесува и понатаму.

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              • Jankovska
                Senior Member
                • Sep 2008
                • 1774

                #8
                Originally posted by Serdarot View Post
                dude, this ain´t funny at all...
                But it is in some twisted way. We are spending a fortune on something that the macedonian people don't want but we don't have a pot of which to pay people up for things they find and are of great contribution to Macedonia, the macedonians culture and history. Why should someone just handed over to the gov? If I found something I would never do it. I don't even want money for it. I would probably get it out of the country and negotiate a deal to be put in one of the worlds museum. If a poor person finds gold or anything of value why should he just give it to the gov? the gov should pay him a certain % to get it. If I found something in my niva in my land in Macedonia for which I paid tax to that gov and can bring me money I will have to think long and hard what I am going to do, feed my family or just hand it over? Many people would go for the first. Every country in the world has a law on how much an individual would be paid for handing over artefacts but one of the most rich countries with artefacts in the world doesn't. I am not blaming the people selling, I am blaming the gov for not doing anything to protect our history.

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                • sf.
                  Member
                  • Jan 2010
                  • 387

                  #9
                  Originally posted by Serdarot View Post
                  dude, this ain´t funny at all...
                  I didn't create the situation nor am I responsible for the Government's mixed up priorities and complacencies. I am just commenting on a pre-existing reality, plus it's a little dig at those that simply equate statues to historical understanding and national pride.

                  I want to add another note relating to our problems. I am from a school of thought that places an importance on getting things right the first time. Errors are harder and more expensive to fix the longer they are left unattended. Now, think about every problem that exists involving Macedonia and Macedonians. Not only is it becoming critically difficult to solve the problems created by those preceding us, but new absurdities are emerging everyday. And it's not clear to me how we as a people, are going to come out of this.
                  Integrity without knowledge is weak and useless, and knowledge without integrity is dangerous and dreadful. - Samuel Johnson (1709-1784)

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                  • sydney
                    Member
                    • Sep 2008
                    • 390

                    #10
                    Originally posted by sf. View Post
                    Errors are harder and more expensive to fix the longer they are left unattended. Now, think about every problem that exists involving Macedonia and Macedonians. Not only is it becoming critically difficult to solve the problems created by those preceding us, but new absurdities are emerging everyday. And it's not clear to me how we as a people, are going to come out of this.
                    well said, i couldn't agree more. i find it fascinating that a small patch of land with a small number of inhabitants is so difficult to administer in a way that offers even a glimmer of hope.

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                    • Serdarot
                      Member
                      • Feb 2010
                      • 605

                      #11
                      da vi se nacrta deka vladata i grujo ne se Makedonia?

                      ili razni "ljuBcov-isti i ljuBev-isti" samo koristat SEKOJA prilika da se pluka protiv vladata, BEZ da se ponudi nekoe KONSTRUKTIVNO resenie ili ideja?

                      odvratno! bljak!

                      constructive aproach is:

                      "can we get in touch with someone responcible for the cultural heritage"
                      "can we get in touch with someone from the area and maybe find a way to stop the selling of the artefacts"

                      what i read is bla bla

                      trolling...

                      "grujo e za se kriv"

                      FUCK grujo, make political party, but WITHOUT spies and agents like ljuBco and ljuBe, make program, save Macedonia.

                      or stop the trolling
                      Bratot:
                      Никој не е вечен, а каузава не е нова само е адаптирана на новите услови и ќе се пренесува и понатаму.

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                      • sf.
                        Member
                        • Jan 2010
                        • 387

                        #12
                        Since you read only what you wanted to read, here's something constructive: If you remove your lips from Grujo's arse, you'll getter a better view of the world.
                        Integrity without knowledge is weak and useless, and knowledge without integrity is dangerous and dreadful. - Samuel Johnson (1709-1784)

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                        • Jankovska
                          Senior Member
                          • Sep 2008
                          • 1774

                          #13
                          Originally posted by sf. View Post
                          Since you read only what you wanted to read, here's something constructive: If you remove your lips from Grujo's arse, you'll getter a better view of the world.
                          Yep. ANd this is a public forum so I can say whatever the fuck I want about Grujo and Co. Sigurno baba mi ne e kriva but is she finds a pot of gold and sells it I won't blame her. Because of Grujo i tie kako nego pred nego she still lvies in a house made of rocks. So fuck all of them.
                          Why don't you form a party and go fight it than? Or is it easier to swear at people on a forum than to take your own advice?

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                          • Serdarot
                            Member
                            • Feb 2010
                            • 605

                            #14
                            Originally posted by sf. View Post
                            Since you read only what you wanted to read, here's something constructive: If you remove your lips from Grujo's arse, you'll getter a better view of the world.
                            any "grujovist" here?

                            if your comment was targeting me, shoot again, couse you missed

                            i am only sick to read comments who are only waste of time and energy

                            action might result with possitive result or not

                            non-action will surely not result with possitive result.

                            @ Jankovska: i am doing my part, so much i can out of any political party. God is my Witness
                            Bratot:
                            Никој не е вечен, а каузава не е нова само е адаптирана на новите услови и ќе се пренесува и понатаму.

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                            • sf.
                              Member
                              • Jan 2010
                              • 387

                              #15
                              Kolku shto ima ""ljuBcov-isti i ljuBev-isti."

                              See, it works both ways. Also, there is no way for you to know what sort of activities I undertake outside of this forum.
                              Integrity without knowledge is weak and useless, and knowledge without integrity is dangerous and dreadful. - Samuel Johnson (1709-1784)

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