Albanians...

[NikodimMKD]

Brothers in arms,

As you know the Albanians are multiplying like rabbits in Macedonia. I have read demographic projections about Macedonia and by 2050 they are projected to be the majority and we will be the minority.

What shall we do about this? I don't want what happened in Kosovo to happen to us...your thoughts

[Pelister]

Send them back to Kosovo.

[Rogi]

Use the Economy.


I'm just writing this right off the bat, but I do have a fairly detailed plan of it all in my documents...

Heavy investments in Kosovo and Albania (by the Republic of Macedonia) can significantly change the demographic or ethnographic balance of the Republic of Macedonia in favour of the Macedonians.

Imagine employing 15,000 Albanians from the Republic of Macedonia in various factories or building companies (with infrastructural investments), etc built/run in Kosovo (owned by Macedonian shell companies of the Gov) and a further 15,000 Albanians in factories/companies built/run in Albania (owned by Macedonian shell companies of the Gov). This over a period of 4 years (7,500 per year).

That's 30,000 previously unemployed Albanians now making a good living in Albania. Offer enough incentive for them to sell their houses or apartments in Western Macedonia and move into Albania and Kosovo (where the house/apartment prices are cheaper, thus they would profit) and then their whole family moves with them. That's a further 30,000 previously unemployed Albanian women (wives) and some 90,000 Albanian children (average 3 children per Albanian family).

With 150,000 (in total) out of Macedonia, and a visa liberalisation that's about to happen, that will reduce the Albanian population in Macedonia to about 12-15% of the total population (assuming they are currently 25%).

It may cost a couple of hundred million Euro's per year, but some of that cost is offset by the fact that 60,000 people are off the unemployment (social security) lists and will not be receiving those payments. After a few years (4-5) those shell companies owning the factories/companies built/run in Albania and Kosovo can be sold to investors and the costs (or most of) can be recovered.

Many of those 30,000 or so houses/apartments could be bought up by the Government too and offered to young Macedonian couples very cheaply to help them get a head-start in life, or to Macedonians in Diaspora (with an agreement that they must live there for the next 2 years minimum) to bring Macedonians back (many Macedonians in Europe may return) or even offered to people from friendly and fellow Orthodox countries like Ukraine, thousands of whom may seek employment in Macedonia in potential public-private companies set up over the next 8 years in dealings between Ukraine and Macedonia (such as the APC project) with Macedonia's planned 8 Billion Euro's of investments - that completely changes the ethnic demographic balance of Macedonia as well as the political landscape, where Albanians may not even make up a majority in Western Macedonia (with 100,000+ of them in Skopje and a few thousand of those from the de-populated regions who have shops, etc having to move because there's no sustainable business there due to the migration of 150,000 people).




What kind of companies?

Any - even if they are not profitable, their purpose is national interest.

Of course, if they are building/infrastructure companies and the EU/US is investing in infrastructure in protectorate Kosovo or NATO Ally Albania, then they will make some money. Or they could be the assembly plants of manufacturing companies from Macedonia (where the product is manufactured in Macedonia, based on further public-private investments with the Gov splurge of 8 billion over the next 8 years...) and so on.

[Pelister]

Repopulate Western Macedonia, with Ukraines, Serbs, Russians, Turks - anyone, who may break up the demographic dominance of the Albanians. Another 10,000 people of the each of the above named ethnic groups, would help tip the scales in our favor. I don't care who they are, or where they come from, as long as they are loyal to the Macedonian State, and not Albanians.

[Venom]

There is another way...

[NikodimMKD]

There is another way...

Please elaborate...

[Rogi]

There is another way...

Albania is now a full-fledged NATO member. Things have changed.

[Risto the Great]

Albanians deserve rights like all human beings.
If the traitors that sold out our constitution thought about it, they would have ensured the Albanians of Macedonia received as much in human rights as we expect for the Macedonians of Greece, Albania, Bulgaria and Serbia.

Without diluting our country's integrity.

[Pelister]

I don't know how this is going to sound. I try not to sound too brazen, but sometimes I can't help it.

Build a new Macedonian city, somewhere between Debar, Mavrovi Anovi and Lazaropol. By "city" what I actually mean is a "town" of about 50,000 Macedonians. The homes are "leased" for nothing to Macedonians,(each family is given a coat of arms, or brings one with them if they have one) to be placed at the door of each house, and the town is held in trust, by the Orthodox Church, so no Albanians will ever buy into it, or own it. They may occupy it in very small numbers, but never will never actually own it. A Church town. This is how Tetovo started, but the difference is there for all to see. It will mean two less Albanians in parliament, and two more Macedonians (the political advantages are huge for the Macedonians. It will bring greater stability in parliament, a clear Macedonian majority, and a stronger state).

The funding comes from outside - there are thousands of Christian organizations (I know of several in Australia), who have money set aside "specifically" for this kind of thing. Its never spoken about, but the Christian Church is fully aware that it is loosing ground, literally, to Muslims on a world wide scale. They would help fund it, along with patriotic Macedonian philanthropists, and others.

A project manager puts the proposal together. Who will do it, once it has financial backers - its surveyed by a "local" company, and infrastructure (sewage, electricity), built by "local" buliding companies. I can't stress the local enough, because they have all the local expertise and knowledge.

[Sarafot]

I don't know how this is going to sound. I try not to sound too brazen, but sometimes I can't help it.

Build a new Macedonian city, somewhere between Debar, Mavrovi Anovi and Lazaropol. By "city" what I actually mean is a "town" of about 50,000 Macedonians. The homes are "leased" for nothing to Macedonians,(each family is given a coat of arms, or brings one with them if they have one) to be placed at the door of each house, and the town is held in trust, by the Orthodox Church, so no Albanians will ever buy into it, or own it. They may occupy it in very small numbers, but never will never actually own it. A Church town. This is how Tetovo started, but the difference is there for all to see. It will mean two less Albanians in parliament, and two more Macedonians (the political advantages are huge for the Macedonians. It will bring greater stability in parliament, a clear Macedonian majority, and a stronger state).

The funding comes from outside - there are thousands of Christian organizations (I know of several in Australia), who have money set aside "specifically" for this kind of thing. Its never spoken about, but the Christian Church is fully aware that it is loosing ground, literally, to Muslims on a world wide scale. They would help fund it, along with patriotic Macedonian philanthropists, and others.

A project manager puts the proposal together. Who will do it, once it has financial backers - its surveyed by a "local" company, and infrastructure (sewage, electricity), built by "local" buliding companies. I can't stress the local enough, because they have all the local expertise and knowledge.

Bravo Pelister nice idea,i like it,but wasnt that allredy done in debar centuris ago ?

[NikodimMKD]

That's great, but the Muslim Albanians will are having 9 kids per family. We can't compete with that kind of reproduction rate. In the end, the way things are going, we will be swallowed up by the Shiptar mob, just like in Kosovo.

VRMO should nullify the Orchid humiliation...and we should chase those criminal former terrorist Shiptar out of Macedonian parliament.

[Risto the Great]

VRMO should nullify the Orchid humiliation.

The negative element (and conspiracy theorist) within me suggests the only reason VMRO was allowed in was because they would NOT attempt to nullify the agreement.

[NikodimMKD]

The negative element (and conspiracy theorist) within me suggests the only reason VMRO was allowed in was because they would NOT attempt to nullify the agreement.

I say they nullify it and let the chips fall where they may. Toilet paper is worth than that Shiptar piece of appeasement paper.

Have we lost our dignity? There are signs all over the place with Macedonian AND Albanian IN OUR COUNTRY!!! And what are we doing about it?

Nothing! They can go back to Shiptaria if they love being Shiptars...

[Pelister]

Bravo Pelister nice idea,i like it,but wasnt that allredy done in debar centuris ago ?

I don't know. A Macedonian Christian Church town, was how Tetovo started, I don't know about Debar. These days, with contracts and all of that, everything is possible. I mean, if they are negotiating the use of the term "macedonia" with the Greeks, it might end up that we can never use it naturally. We'll have to change our signs, our logo's ...evereything.

If they can force us to change how we self describe, anything is possible.

I Macedonian Church town, of about 50,000 - 70,000 people, would change the demographics of that region, forever. After that I wouldn't worry too much about the Albanians - the ONLY way they will ever get it then, is to fight and win, but they wouldn't do that because the cost will be too high, if they lose.

[Rogi]

What you're talking about is something effectively the size of Prilep. That is no mean feat for a country like Macedonia, but a very interesting idea.