U.S. Politics, Elections & Culture issues

[vicsinad]

No problem! I don't know how attached Priebus is to Greek issues, even though being Greek is God's blessing to him. And we still don't know who Trump is appointing to many crucial positions. Whether it was going to be Clinton or Trump, the US was likely destined to have a Greek-American as a chief of staff, as Podesta might have filled that position for Clinton. And we know where he stands on Macedonia (he refers to it as FYROM).

My best guess is that Trump's policy will have little effect either way regarding the name issue on the international stage.

[Philosopher]

A report by Gregg Phillips suggests that over three million illegals voted in the US election, with probably most being for Hillary Clinton.

Not sure what to what make of this, as I cannot verify it, but I would be surprised, if three million illegals indeed voted, if they voted for Trump.

https://twitter.com/JumpVote/status/797218284034752512

Per legal standards, Trump won the election; whether he won the popular vote means nothing.

The sooner the US public accepts it, the better.

Paul Schrader, a somewhat prominent film director, has called for violence in response to Trump's victory.

https://www.facebook.com/paul.schrader.900/posts/10209721697752467

There has been a lot of calls on the left for violence and assassination.

[Philosopher]

Wayne Madsen and others have suggested there is a "purple" color revolution underway in the US led by George Soros against Trump's election -- a color revolution to overthrow a democratically elected (in this case a electoral college elected) president, something we have seen quite a bit of in the world as of late.

[vicsinad]

Meanwhile, more Trump supporters and the little fascists and bigots his rhetoric is grooming: 12 year old students chanting "build that wall" in a middle school in Michigan.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/education/wp/2016/11/10/middle-schoolers-chant-build-that-wall-during-lunch-in-aftermath-of-trump-win/

[Risto the Great]

If he can build a profitable casino there, he'll call Macedonia whatever it wants.

[Amphipolis]

Meanwhile, more Trump supporters and the little fascists and bigots his rhetoric is grooming: 12 year old students chanting "build that wall" in a middle school in Michigan.

So, maybe you should bother explaining to us WHEN exactly normality (having secure borders, building a fence or a wall) started being considered fascism.

[vicsinad]

When these 12-year-olds have little to no understanding about the politics of the wall and are just repeating it because their parents don't like Mexicans. I grew up in Michigan. I know the kind of environment that those suburban kids grow up in. As a kid, our neighborhood freaked out when a black family moved in. Mexicans are commonly called spics to their face. And Trump's campaign has begun to legitimize this.

By the way, millions of people have come through Canada illegally. For example, the Albanian and Italian mafias smuggle in drugs and humans (including unwilling prostitutes) from Canada into the northern states. When has there been a call for the wall on Canada? If we want to secure our borders from actual threats instead of from people who are looking for jobs that pay minimum wage that entitled Americans don't want to do, then also secure our easily penetrable northern borders. If a terrorist is going to come into America, it ain't through Mexico. It's through a Canada or an extended visa stay.

As this article says:

There is a different, much less publicized form of illegal immigrant—the kind coming from Canada. Many of these individuals are not Latin American—U.S. Customs and Border Protection (CBP) have apprehended border jumpers from Albania, The Czech Republic, Israel, and India—and they often cross the many waterways of Michigan, Wisconsin, Minnesota, and New York by boat, jet ski, or by swimming.

Last year, in an attempt to slow the flow of illegal immigration from Canada, CBP spent $20 million on a surveillance system that monitors 34 miles of the St. Clair River bordering Michigan and Canada—a popular destination for illegal immigrants crossing from Canada. So far, the new system has caught four human smuggling attempts. However, it is sometimes citizens who end up nabbing illegal immigrants by accident. A fishing group on the St. Clair River noticed a man in a Speedo with a backpack swimming in the river recently. CBP was alerted and the man, who hailed from the Czech Republic, was apprehended.

https://www.usimmigration.com/illegal-immigrants-through-canada.html

This is not normality. Illegal immigrants from the Mexico crossing will dig more tunnels, buy more ladders, cross more rivers, and come through the ocean. There is work in the United States that Americans won't do and for which businesses won't pay decent wages. Illegal immigration will only stop when work isn't available.

I had two great-grandfathers come to the US. They came on a frickin' boat across the Atlantic, were checked for diseases, and were let in the country to find work. No prior process. What is considered legal vs. illegal immigration changes with the tides. An immigrant is an immigrant, and if there's incentive to come, they'll come.

[vicsinad]

We can all rest easy now knowing that Trump has the support of Golden Dawn.

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-greece-farright-idUSKBN1341H0?il=0

Greece's far-right Golden Dawn party hailed Donald Trump's election as president of the United States, calling it a victory against "illegal immigration" and in favor of ethnically "clean" nations.

Golden Dawn, Greece's third-largest party, took its first seats in parliament in 2012 on a backlash against austerity policies in Greece, which has received three international bailouts since 2010.

"This was a victory for the forces which oppose globalization, are fighting illegal migration and are in favor of clean ethnic states, in favor of self-sufficiency in the national economy," a spokesman of the party said in a post on YouTube.

"A great global change is starting, which will continue with nationalists prevailing in Austria, Marie LePen in France and Golden Dawn in Greece."

(Reporting By Michele Kambas; Editing by Hugh Lawson)

[vicsinad]

The racists are coming out of their closets, with a West Virginia county official comments calling the current First lady "an ape in heels" and a mayor agreeing with her:

More than 103,000 people have signed an online petition calling for her to be fired

A West Virginia official who called First Lady Michelle Obama an “ape in heels” has been placed on leave after the racist remark prompted intense backlash and calls for her termination.

Pamela Ramsey Taylor, the director of Clay County Development Corp., came under fire after she wrote in a since-deleted Facebook post: “It will be refreshing to have a classy, beautiful, dignified First Lady in the White House. I’m tired of seeing a (sic) Ape in heels,” according to the Associated Press.

Clay Mayor Beverly Whaling chimed in, writing in a comment: “Just made my day Pam.”

http://time.com/4571315/west-virginia-michelle-obama-ape-heels/

[Philosopher]

More than 50 percent of the anti-Trump protesters arrested in Portland, Oregon, in the days following the election did not bother to vote.

A search of state election records was conducted by a Portland television station which reported that of the 112 protesters that were arrested, 69 of them could not be found to have turned in a ballot or were not registered to vote in the Beaver State.

The local NBC affiliate in Portland took the names and ages of those arrested to Multnomah County election officials who did a search on the state’s voter files, reportedKGW-NBC.

Only 25 of those arrested voted in 2016 in the state.

As of the remaining 17 arrested by the Portland Police Bureau, KGW reported that it is still trying to verify their voting records.

http://www.breitbart.com/texas/2016/11/14/report-majority-arrested-portland-anti-trump-protests-didnt-vote/

[Philosopher]

Trump popular vote – 60,351,240
Clinton popular vote – 60,981,118

Clinton’s popular vote margin- 629,878

LIBERAL BASTION CLINTON STATE MARGINS

California – 2,746,562
New York – 1,503,304
Illinois – 859,319
Maryland – 624,305
New Jersey – 486,243
Washington – 480,072

Clinton’s liberal bastion state margin – 6,699,805

TRUMP’S POPULAR VOTE MARGIN IN OTHER 44 STATES – 6,069,927

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-11-14/popular-vote-reality-check

[vicsinad]

http://www.breitbart.com/texas/2016/...ts-didnt-vote/

It's great to cite the news website that was, up until a couple of month's ago, run by Trump's chief counsel and White House Strategist.

So what if they didn't vote? What are they trying to imply -- that they don't have the right to protest? They live in states that had virtually no chance of going Republican. Or maybe they didn't like either of the candidates and would have protested had Clinton won. What is the article trying to say?

Looks like the article forgot to mention that it was a 14-year old Trump supporter (along with an 18-year old) who shot an anti-Trump protester in that same city of Portland.

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2016/11/teen_14_suspected_in_shooting.html

[vicsinad]

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-1...-reality-check

Such a misleading reporting of statistics. First, the Democrat column doesn't include other liberal bastion areas, like Massachusetts, that won by 900,000 votes.

Then they forget that there were tons of little states that went by blue (you know, to protect them from big Red states like Texas), including Vermont (60 to 30%), Rhode Island (55 to 39%), District of Columbia (92 to 4%), etc.

Trump supporters are trying to play this election as a mandate from the people for Trump even though the people didn't vote for him, and that more than 50% of the population voted against him.

[Philosopher]

Well, to be fair, I'm no fan of Breitbart. In fact, I rarely visit the site, and in this instance, found a link to a link.

From what I can gather, the article is pointing out that some of the protesting is being done by individuals who did not vote, which I agree is very much their right. There are different kinds of protest votes, including not voting at all. But the article seems to suggest it is hypocritical to protest, and violently at that, at the election of a new president when they did not vote at all.

You know how people think -- if you do not vote, you have no right to complain.

I feel it is informative, so I posted it.

It's great to cite the news website that was, up until a couple of month's ago, run by Trump's chief counsel and White House Strategist.

So what if they didn't vote? What are they trying to imply -- that they don't have the right to protest? They live in states that had virtually no chance of going Republican. Or maybe they didn't like either of the candidates and would have protested had Clinton won. What is the article trying to say?

Looks like the article forgot to mention that it was a 14-year old Trump supporter (along with an 18-year old) who shot an anti-Trump protester in that same city of Portland.

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/i..._shooting.html

[Philosopher]

Such a misleading reporting of statistics. First, the Democrat column doesn't include other liberal bastion areas, like Massachusetts, that won by 900,000 votes.

Then they forget that there were tons of little states that went by blue (you know, to protect them from big Red states like Texas), including Vermont (60 to 30%), Rhode Island (55 to 39%), District of Columbia (92 to 4%), etc.

Trump supporters are trying to play this election as a mandate from the people for Trump even though the people didn't vote for him, and that more than 50% of the population voted against him.

Vic, I think a bigger issue is that voter turnout for 2016 appears to be the lowest since 1996, so the idea of a mandate for either candidate is a gross distortion.

Washington (CNN)Voter turnout this year dipped to nearly its lowest point in two decades.

While election officials are still tabulating ballots, the 126 million votes already counted means about 55% of voting age citizens cast ballots this year.

That measure of turnout is the lowest in a presidential election since 1996, when 53.5% of voting-age citizens turned out.

As election officials go through outstanding ballots -- such as provisional ballots and those with write-ins -- the turnout figures will change.

But it would take another 18.7 million votes to reach the high point for turnout of 2008, when nearly 64% of voting age citizens cast a ballot.

http://edition.cnn.com/2016/11/11/politics/popular-vote-turnout-2016/