Macedonia: To Have Your State and Be It Too

[Nikolaj]

In Herodotus, all of Macedonia, including Thessaloniki (Therma) is outside of Greece and the Greek world. Even in the New Testament, Macedonia (Thessaloniki) is outside of Greece,

There are too many ancient and medieval historians who have the same claim as Herodotus... But with reasoning and your own 'educated' opinion, you could talk anyone into believing the complete opposite.

You seem to refer to (post-1870s) Ottoman Macedonia. This is not what Greeks define as "historical Macedonia".

Yes, they defined it as Northern Greece, not Macedonia.

Also, Macedonia is not the richest area of Greece; it's the second richest after Continental Greece (Roumeli) and unfortunately the distance between them is huge.

May I ask what is done in Roumeli for it to be the region with the largest economic growth?

[spitfire]

There is not a single airport created without a name, this is especially the case because there are cities with multiple airports.

What name exactly? Of historical figures? Most airports in the world don't have a name other than the area they are in.

http://www.flightstats.com/go/Airport/airportsOfTheWorld.do

[Amphipolis]

In Herodotus, all of Macedonia, including Thessaloniki (Therma) is outside of Greece and the Greek world. Even in the New Testament, Macedonia (Thessaloniki) is outside of Greece,

Regarding Herodotus I don’t want to start here and now, there are possibly long discussions in other threads. As for New Testament that seems easier, Greece and Macedonia probably represent Roman Provinces of the time (I couldn’t find the accurate districts of that era).

Yes, they defined it as Northern Greece, not Macedonia.

That is (an often repeated) lie and it’s not even related to what I said.

May I ask what is done in Roumeli for it to be the region with the largest economic growth?

Continental Greece and Macedonia are by far the richest regions of Greece roughly contributing 56% and 21% of the country’s Gross Domestic Product. For comparison Peloponnese, Thessaly and Crete each represents only 4-5% of our economy.

Except for Primary Sector and Mining, Continental Greece (Roumeli) has a dominant role (slightly or far more than 50%) in all branches of economy.


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[Philosopher]

Regarding Herodotus I don’t want to start here and now, there are possibly long discussions in other threads. As for New Testament that seems easier, Greece and Macedonia probably represent Roman Provinces of the time (I couldn’t find the accurate districts of that era).

You can start here, there, or anywhere in regard to Herodotus. Please explain to us how in Herodotus' writings Macedonia is geographically part of Greece, and Macedonians have a Greek consciousness and are part of the Greek ethnos.

In regard to the New Testament, there is little reason to doubt, considering that Macedonia was a region outside of Greece, and the Macedonians were not Greek, to believe that only under Roman redistricting Macedonia would be a territory outside of Greece.

The inference of your writing suggests that Macedonia was part of Greece, and that the reason Macedonia is outside of Greece in the New Testament is because of Roman redistricting.

Please explain. You have the floor.

[Amphipolis]

You can start here, there, or anywhere in regard to Herodotus. Please explain to us how in Herodotus' writings Macedonia is geographically part of Greece, and Macedonians have a Greek consciousness and are part of the Greek ethnos.

In regard to the New Testament, there is little reason to doubt, considering that Macedonia was a region outside of Greece, and the Macedonians were not Greek, to believe that only under Roman redistricting Macedonia would be a territory outside of Greece.

The inference of your writing suggests that Macedonia was part of Greece, and that the reason Macedonia is outside of Greece in the New Testament is because of Roman redistricting.

Please explain. You have the floor.

I'm not in a mood right now, but concerning Herodotus there's an extended discussion here

http://www.macedoniantruth.org/forum/showthread.php?t=173&highlight=Herodotus

and it may not be the only one. If I want to add something I'll do it there.

Can someone point to a similar thread about the New Testament? There have been lengthy discussions in the past.

[Nikolaj]

I'm not in a mood right now, but concerning Herodotus there's an extended discussion here

http://www.macedoniantruth.org/forum/showthread.php?t=173&highlight=Herodotus

and it may not be the only one. If I want to add something I'll do it there.

Can someone point to a similar thread about the New Testament? There have been lengthy discussions in the past.

Amphipolis, i'm actually looking forward to a future response in regards to this. It'll be like proving the Sun orbits the Earth... You may want to give me a personal message 5 minutes before you post so I can prepare some popcorn.

[Amphipolis]

Amphipolis, i'm actually looking forward to a future response in regards to this. It'll be like proving the Sun orbits the Earth... You may want to give me a personal message 5 minutes before you post so I can prepare some popcorn.

I doubt I will give a response or I will have something original or amusing to add (who knows). The above link has a 5 pages discussion (mostly between Philosopher and AgamoiThymai) where Herodotus is done to death. I promise to read it.

For New Testament, please find a thread. It has been done to death too. Also, if someone can find the exact Roman administrative divisions and their names around 40-70 AD, it would be great.

[George S.]

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