Fresh blood wins the Slovenian elections

[DraganOfStip]

It is questionable whether this would succeed in RoM (there are many political parties but none had ever had bigger support than DPMNE or SDSM in these 2 decades) but this gives hope for everyone that feel that there should be a third option for our countrymen to vote and run the country.
A Slovenian lawyer,Miro Cerar and his new party won the parliamentary elections in Slovenia.Even though formed just a couple of months ago (according to the media) this party got 36% of votes,crushing the up-to-now ruling party that only got 19%.
Our people should consult this guy how could he attract so much support in just a matter of months and apply that knowledge in Macedonia to get rid of the DPMNE/SDSM scum that brought nothing but misery to them.

Here's the news for the victory

http://lokalno.mk/novite-pobedija-vo-slovenija/

And here's an overview on Miro made by Kanal5 TV prior to the elections.

http://kanal5.com.mk/vesti_detail.asp?ID=44065

[Redsun]

His parties’ success is impressive.

“A couple of months ago” must be an exaggeration by the media; I wonder how long it really did take to form. How did he manage to get the voters confidence, in such a short period of time?

Sounds great, but it may not be that great. A political party created within such a short time period… let’s see how they run the country first; they could be a dud, who knows.

Thanks for posting this; always appreciate good news.

[Soldier of Macedon]

It is questionable whether this would succeed in RoM (there are many political parties but none had ever had bigger support than DPMNE or SDSM in these 2 decades) but this gives hope for everyone that feel that there should be a third option for our countrymen to vote and run the country.

This is certainly a ray of optimism, but I suspect that political corruption is more primitive in Macedonia which would make it much harder for a third option to succeed. It would be fantastic if Macedonia could break free of the current 2-party shackles.

[George S.]

Apparently he country is in ourmoil with their banking system.Miro got in on the platform of the anti austerity measures.The previous prime minister was serving a 2 year jailterm for bribery and corruption .Miro's party was the centre left where as the other party was the centte right .The country is facing tough economic times as well as high unemployment further down of expected bailouts from the eu?.I think in Macedonia it would be be a welcomed change for a new alternative party instead of the usual 2 parties.Its really up to the people to decide.There is a saying that you get the party you vote for.

[Volokin]

Macedonia will break free when the citizens finally awaken...

The good thing is though, despite DPMNE's strong majority, there is still 50% of the country not voting. Now I hope that these people can be swung back into voting once the right party arises. Whether they are to fed up with the lies and bullshit I do not know.

[Phoenix]

Macedonia will break free when the citizens finally awaken...

The good thing is though, despite DPMNE's strong majority, there is still 50% of the country not voting. Now I hope that these people can be swung back into voting once the right party arises. Whether they are to fed up with the lies and bullshit I do not know.

I think for the majority of Macedonian voters it's simply a choice of the lesser of 2 evils...

Sadly, politics is a slowly evolving entity, even in mature democracies around the world who have inherited robust systems from Britain, some flaws still exist.
In the case of Macedonia, an entire democracy and all of it's supporting institutions has to be built from the ground up...including the understanding and expectations of the voters themselves.

[DraganOfStip]

“A couple of months ago” must be an exaggeration by the media; I wonder how long it really did take to form. How did he manage to get the voters confidence, in such a short period of time?

I think so too,it's just too short of a period to familiarize all the citizens with your programme and gain their trust.

Sounds great, but it may not be that great. A political party created within such a short time period… let’s see how they run the country first; they could be a dud, who knows.

Possibly.
This could be another "war-profiter" that wants to take advantage of the current situation and the bad poles of the largest political parties to seize power and continue the looting for his own purposes (I mean,the guy is a lawyer for Christ sake,he has all the susceptibility ) Only time will show for the Slovenians.

[Volokin]

I think for the majority of Macedonian voters it's simply a choice of the lesser of 2 evils...

Sadly, politics is a slowly evolving entity, even in mature democracies around the world who have inherited robust systems from Britain, some flaws still exist.
In the case of Macedonia, an entire democracy and all of it's supporting institutions has to be built from the ground up...including the understanding and expectations of the voters themselves.

How hard will it be for a different group to break in with those 2? I remember 2 nationalist parties that were brought up here briefly, how can such parties garner enough support to make a difference, or just have some voice at least, whilst there is a tonne of blind faith in the almighty VMRO-DPMNE.

[DraganOfStip]

I remember 2 nationalist parties that were brought up here briefly, how can such parties garner enough support to make a difference, or just have some voice at least, whilst there is a tonne of blind faith in the almighty VMRO-DPMNE.

It's not about faith Volokin,it's about party employments.
The economic situation here is very tough (aside all the mumbo-jumbo government propaganda on national and some private TV's),the best indicator for that is the fact that in the last 10 years some 230 000 people have permanently moved from Macedonia.That's 10% of the total population of one country in just a decade,not counting the people that go abroad to work part-time during the season every year.Really frightening piece of info.

For those that choose to stay here,the only option for a decent living is to join a party (the ruling one if possible),do some pre-election running,swearing at the "others" on meeitngs,getting new voters etc. before (eventually,in near future) getting a job in the administration or state-runed companies.
Now,the trick is,in order to keep that job,you must keep going on party meetings,follow party policy without question,and get your entire family and closest relatives (or even neighbors) to go vote for the party in question in every following elections.
And then you have simple math: add to the administration/state company employees another 3-4 family members and voila - you have a massive electoral body that secures the party another mandate,before the same scenario continues on every next election cycle.

In a society with this mechanism and this level of corruption,I really doubt the Slovenian scenario could be possible here.

P.S.:That's why Serbs/Croats have names like Vojin (warrior),Borislav (fight + glory) and Branimir (defend + peace),and we have names like Trajce and Trpe (won't even bother to elaborate them).

[Soldier of Macedon]

It's not about faith Volokin,it's about party employments.
The economic situation here is very tough (aside all the mumbo-jumbo government propaganda on national and some private TV's),the best indicator for that is the fact that in the last 10 years some 230 000 people have permanently moved from Macedonia.That's 10% of the total population of one country in just a decade,not counting the people that go abroad to work part-time during the season every year.Really frightening piece of info.

For those that choose to stay here,the only option for a decent living is to join a party (the ruling one if possible),do some pre-election running,swearing at the "others" on meeitngs,getting new voters etc. before (eventually,in near future) getting a job in the administration or state-runed companies.
Now,the trick is,in order to keep that job,you must keep going on party meetings,follow party policy without question,and get your entire family and closest relatives (or even neighbors) to go vote for the party in question in every following elections.
And then you have simple math: add to the administration/state company employees another 3-4 family members and voila - you have a massive electoral body that secures the party another mandate,before the same scenario continues on every next election cycle.

That is Macedonia in a nutshell, and that is why the only way there can be change is if people bond together and undertake the necessary steps to initiate some sort of revolution. But as the old saying goes, to make an omelette you need to break a few eggs. And nobody in Macedonia is prepared to take that risk. So, while the politicians certainly share much of the blame, the Macedonian population is not without blame for continuing to vote for those that treat them like slaves.

[slovenec zrinski]

Just a small correction, or detail. The party that got 19% (Slovenska Demokratska Stranka, Janez Janša (the jailbird)) was not the current ruling one up until these elections. SDS lost Power already last year and the government up until now was a socialdemocratic one run by Alenka Bratušek. Since she lost the position of her own party (Positivna Slovenia) she formed her own party and got around 5-6%. Positivna Slovenija with the corrupt Zoran Jankovič as leader did not make it into parliament this time.
I voted for Cerar because there really needs to be fresh ideas in Slovenia and hopefully he can bring along some culture of non-corruption. If not, we might as well get a dictator to rule the country....

[George S.]

Good point there CZ who would want to vote corrupt people in ??I think the people power has spoken.I hope something happens that the new party that will deliver to the people that is required.Perhaps Macedonia can pick up on this.