Kevin Rudd Prime Minister Again

[Phoenix]

You and EM seem to have the Macedonian mentality that if you're against the ALP you must be pro Coalition (insert SDSM and DPMNE). Why is that?

Again, do you know and understand the details of the legislation you support? As usual in these matters, you're just giving me slogans.

I haven't voted ALP at a Federal or State election for over a decade now, so there goes your theory...sounds like you're about slogans more than I am.

You still haven't explained your standing on issues like health, education, infrastructure investment and development, the environment and the workplace.

Lets hear your about your own utopian, Tea Party like views of how a country should be run...

[Vangelovski]

The Liberals had a similar Carbon pricing scheme on the table, just as most of the civilized world has, this is not some unique Labor-centric act of 'socialist terrorism'.

I support any effort, natural or fabricated that will provide equity in health and education in this country.

You and EM seem to have the Macedonian mentality that if you're against the ALP you must be pro Coalition (insert SDSM and DPMNE). Why is that?

Again, do you know and understand the details of the legislation you support? As usual in these matters, you're just giving me slogans.

[Vangelovski]

I don't know why this is a problem for you Vangelovski, if you're all for minimal government intervention you shouldn't be dependent on government handouts and funding.

All of a sudden you sound like a hypocrite.

Its not necessarily a problem for me Phoenix, I'm simply telling you what happened because you where questioning it when Lavce pointed it out. You don't seem to know the details of what you are supporting.

[lavce pelagonski]

The Liberals had a similar Carbon pricing scheme on the table, just as most of the civilized world has, this is not some unique Labor-centric act of 'socialist terrorism'.

I support any effort, natural or fabricated that will provide equity in health and education in this country.

By cutting funds from universities which provide us with educated people in the workforce. What is the point of taking from one and giving to another. She should have managed the budget better but then again here pay is much more important.

[Phoenix]

I'm not asking why we need legislation per se, I'm asking whether you have considered why we even need the specific legislation that you give so much credit for to Gillard.

Phoenix, you're giving me slogans in relation to Gonski and the carbon tax. I'm asking you if you know and understand the details or if you're just supporting those policies because the ALP came out with them?

The Liberals had a similar Carbon pricing scheme on the table, just as most of the civilized world has, this is not some unique Labor-centric act of 'socialist terrorism'.

I support any effort, natural or fabricated that will provide equity in health and education in this country.

[Phoenix]

The Australian Government has already withdrawn funding from universities in order to partially pay for Gonski. Check the budget, read the news.

I don't know why this is a problem for you Vangelovski, if you're all for minimal government intervention you shouldn't be dependent on government handouts and funding.

All of a sudden you sound like a hypocrite.

[Vangelovski]

I think Gillard did well considering her tenure was constrained by the problems of a hung parliament, to still pass some 87% of legislation. That's an impressive effort and deserves credit.

Why do we need legislation...you're kidding right?
Give me one example of a functioning society or any form of governance void of legislation.



Where's the evil in providing equity in the education system (Gonski, School funding) or legislating to improve the environmental impact of dirty industry, providing modern digital infrastructure to everyone or a fair workplace?

I'm not asking why we need legislation per se, I'm asking whether you have considered why we even need the specific legislation that you give so much credit for to Gillard.

Phoenix, you're giving me slogans in relation to Gonski and the carbon tax. I'm asking you if you know and understand the details or if you're just supporting those policies because the ALP came out with them?

[Phoenix]

How's passing legislation a feat in and of itself? Shouldn't you be asking what that legislation is and why we even need it? More state interference in our private lives is what it essentially amounts to.

I think Gillard did well considering her tenure was constrained by the problems of a hung parliament, to still pass some 87% of legislation. That's an impressive effort and deserves credit.

Why do we need legislation...you're kidding right?
Give me one example of a functioning society or any form of governance void of legislation.

The Carbon tax? Gonski? School halls? Come on Phoenix... Do you actually know anything about these and how they will work and what they will do and how much they will cost?

Visa's, workchoices and the NBN?
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What exactly about these do you think is of benefit and how on earth would you justify the expense?

Where's the evil in providing equity in the education system (Gonski, School funding) or legislating to improve the environmental impact of dirty industry, providing modern digital infrastructure to everyone or a fair workplace?

[EgejskaMakedonia]

The Australian Government has already withdrawn funding from universities in order to partially pay for Gonski. Check the budget, read the news.

I disagree with the Uni cuts Gillard introduced. I think this was a major blunder on their part, in particular when Uni students tend to lean to the left. It makes no sense to cut funds from unis, when they have a significant contribution to the Australian economy. It's not just about educating students, but intense R&D is also a product of Universities.

That said, there has been a considerable increase in Uni funding since the Howard Government departed. However, this is generally overlooked by the majority of people. There has been no mention that the Liberal's will restore this funding either, yet they escape all criticism. It's quite absurd to be honest.

[EgejskaMakedonia]

Australia cannot thank Gillard for anything other than destroying the nations wealth. Australia is now only a few years behind the rest of them. It has squandered it's savings and has absolutely nothing to show for itself. It could have far better education with some decent policy. It could have had far better health care and social services if it didn't blow all our money on some of the the most rampant and stupid spending I have ever seen. Australia is now hoping to make a surplus after servicing its foreign debt. It never had it before the "GillaRudd" were in power.

If they felt compelled to hock the nation, they could have done it far more beneficially.

Howard spent bugger all on infrastructure and preferred to use those years of economic prosperity to give handouts and essentially buy votes. The Labor government was very effective in preventing a recession in Australia during the GFC. They took some bold steps to ensure that the markets didn't dry up and confidence was maintained. They have spent a considerable amount on infrastructure as well since the economic crisis, when many other nations have experienced economic retraction.

Tax is a major source of revenue for the Government, yet people complain when the fat cats in WA are taxed on their mining operations. God knows why people oppose this, I guess we are more content with our natural resources being exported overseas, lining the pockets of billionaires. You can't have it both ways. Maybe we should adopt Kennet's line of thinking and privatise everything in an effort to balance the books...the Liberal way.

How can people even begin to trust Abbott when he refuses to face the media at all? All of his speeches are pre-prepared, and we've all seen what an idiot he is when put on the spot (nodding for 25 seconds like a stunned mullet). We hear a lot of negativity about the ALP from Abbott, and he often chucks up the phrase, 'stop the boats,' yet his solution is unlikely to work.

Many of our families came here with little money and worked in poor conditions for the majority of their lives. Chances are the ALP and unions provided them with a voice back in those days. Yes, the ALP may be a shadow of its' former self, but I can't help but feel I'd be selling-short those values if I ever voted for the Coalition. Workchoices was a shining example of this. How can anyone trust a prick who almost wiped out the collective rights of workers?

[Vangelovski]

How have you already lost 17 million when Victoria hasn't even signed up to it yet?

The Australian Government has already withdrawn funding from universities in order to partially pay for Gonski. Check the budget, read the news.

[Phoenix]

La trobe uni has already lost 17 mill in its science department to the Gonski reform thank Julia for destroying our future

How have you already lost 17 million when Victoria hasn't even signed up to it yet?

[lavce pelagonski]

La trobe uni has already lost 17 mill in its science department to the Gonski reform thank Julia for destroying our future

[Vangelovski]

...lol
Fark me...that’s blatant McCarthyism there Vangelovski.



The passing of 500+ pieces of legislation in a hung parliament is a monumental feat of governance.

Other significant legislation includes the carbon pricing scheme.

Launching DisabilityCare Australia (NDIS)

The Murray-Darling agreement.

Gonski school reforms.

Legislation surrounding the issues of 457 visas

Increases to employer compulsory superannuation contributions

Dismantling of ‘Workchoices’ and the introduction of Fair Work Act

Improved dental services to school children

Securing $16.5 billion for school hall funding

National infrastructure projects, including the NBN and major road works.

New diplomatic agreements with China, unprecedented in Australian Foreign Affairs.

How's passing legislation a feat in and of itself? Shouldn't you be asking what that legislation is and why we even need it? More state interference in our private lives is what it essentially amounts to.

The Carbon tax? Gonski? School halls? Come on Phoenix... Do you actually know anything about these and how they will work and what they will do and how much they will cost?

Visa's, workchoices and the NBN?

What exactly about these do you think is of benefit and how on earth would you justify the expense?

What about their system of governance? You seem to have gone quiet on that. Or does the end (more state power paid for by our private money) justify the means (a politburo system less democratic and with less input than Stalin's)?

[Risto the Great]

Australia cannot thank Gillard for anything other than destroying the nations wealth. Australia is now only a few years behind the rest of them. It has squandered it's savings and has absolutely nothing to show for itself. It could have far better education with some decent policy. It could have had far better health care and social services if it didn't blow all our money on some of the the most rampant and stupid spending I have ever seen. Australia is now hoping to make a surplus after servicing its foreign debt. It never had it before the "GillaRudd" were in power.

If they felt compelled to hock the nation, they could have done it far more beneficially.