Macedonians in Greece called Macedonian language to become official

[Vangelovski]

Thanks for the link Vangelovski. It will take me some time to digest. There's a lot of words there!
I'll post my thoughts later.

Voshtarets, if you're going to be posting your thoughts, then you need to do more than just read the Constitution. You need to read and digest the Framework Agreement, a whole lot of legislative acts and the past 20 years of Macedonian history.

It seems that you are not up-to-date with any of these and you made your comments about a Macedonia that belongs to everyone without any understanding of the significance of that idea.

[Voshtarets]

Voshtarets, if you're going to be posting your thoughts, then you need to do more than just read the Constitution. You need to read and digest the Framework Agreement, a whole lot of legislative acts and the past 20 years of Macedonian history.

It seems that you are not up-to-date with any of these and you made your comments about a Macedonia that belongs to everyone without any understanding of the significance of that idea.

Yes, I shall do all of the above. Good suggestion. I've been out of the loop the last few years and need to catch up. Think and study first, write later.

[Risto the Great]

It is indeed a good suggestion. Voshtarets, your mentioned activities in the past are terrific and admirable. Another fine patriot!

I think many patriots should bother to inform themselves about the treachery enshrined in Macedonia's constitution and subsequent legislative amendments. It should make people REALLY think twice before referring to a "constitutional" name.

[Vangelovski]

Yes, I shall do all of the above. Good suggestion. I've been out of the loop the last few years and need to catch up. Think and study first, write later.

The following thread (though long) is only a taste of what has happened in Macedonia as a result of the idea that Macedonia is not only a Macedonian state, but an Albanian one as well:

http://macedoniantruth.org/forum/showthread.php?t=4837

I'd hate to see that idea extended to Greeks in a future theoretical united Macedonia.

[Niko777]

the version of a Macedonian state/nationalism currently in place in the Republic of Macedonia should never be used as a model for any other state in the world! never-mind for a future theoretical united Macedonia.

[DedoAleko]

This is good. The reporters keep on asking questions.

google translate:

eU doesn't admit Lambrinidis is in charge for greece

Some say that when I gave my office was the same as given boat full of water. My challenge is not to the full board, but to pick up a bucket and start to empty so you do not sink. These are the words with which Stavros Lambrinidis, EU Special Representative for Human Rights and former Minister of Foreign Affairs of Greece before the Irish parliament tried to explain that the task is not easy. Perhaps mitigating circumstance Lambrinidis is that you do not need to empty the water from the ship of his country, ie to solve human rights problems in greece.

When the EU asked whether Athens Lambrinidis required to respect the rights of the Macedonians, hence we responded that the Special Representative was concerned only with human rights issues in countries outside the EU. However, if you read the decision to appoint a Special Representative of the European Union of 25 July last year, you will see that it is not.

In Article 2 of the decision which approved the European Council writes: "The mandate of the EU Special Representative for Human Rights relies on the objectives of the Union for human rights listed in the agreements, the EU Charter of Fundamental Rights and the Strategic Framework for Human Rights and Democracy EU Action Plan for Human Rights and Democracy. "Further provided that Lambrinidis, as special envoy, should contribute to implement the EU's policy on human rights, especially the recommendations in the Strategic Framework for Human Rights Action Plan ...

If you look at the EU's Charter of Fundamental Rights as one of the documents that bind Lambrinidis, you will see that not only does not apply to third countries outside the EU, but it also requires respect for the rights of minorities.

"It would be forbidden any discrimination based on sex, race, color, ethnic or social origin, language, religion or belief, political or other opinion, membership of a national minority, property, birth, infirmity, age or sexual orientation," the Charter.

"Dnevnik" ask his cabinet of EU High Representative for Foreign Policy Ketrin Ashton, why Lambrinidis declined to comment on the rights of Macedonians in greece. If the selection decision Lambrinidis is written that bind EU documents that apply to the Member States, then why say his tenure to third countries? Is working for the EU Charter of Fundamental Rights or the Charter of Fundamental Rights of third countries?

- Mr. Lambrinidis concerned with human rights in third countries, and the Commissioner Viviane Reding is responsible for the Member States. Contract and charters are the foundation of our entire engagement and for all policies, but when it comes to the division of responsibilities, Lambrinidis represent the EU on human rights in the world, and Reading monitor the situation in the EU - we respond Maya Ashton Cabinet Kocijanchikj . Otherwise, Lambrinidis for eight months did not respond to our questions about whether greece will require to implement the judgments of the European Court of Human Rights, including those of the Macedonians and whether believes his country should recognize and other minorities, except Muslim.

izvor: http://dnevnik.mk/default.asp?ItemID...998AF95D047A92

[Niko777]

newspaper Dnevnik tried to contact the mayor of Lerin Ioannis Voskopoulos to ask about the request, instead he pretends not to know how to speak Macedonian

article: http://www.dnevnik.com.mk/default.as...BD925ECBC5556F

[Bij]

Bij, was your husband surprised?
I am really quite annoyed at some of the ignorance in the republic about their lost brothers and sisters in the many occupied parts of Macedonia. Not all of the republic but, seriously, some really need to understand their history a lot better!

To be honest, I was more surprised than he was. Knowing most of the population is Macedonian, even when I was last there in 2008, nobody spoke Macedonian to me. In 2006 I was walking the same streets of Lerin and nobody spoke Macedonian to me then either. It was weird!

My hubby has lived in Aus and has met some egejci here, but he looked at them like they had two heads the first few times he saw a "greek" speaking macedonian. Our dever, who was with us this year when we went to Lerin, was absolutely shocked. Had no idea they were even Macedonians, and kept asking"'why do they know how to speak Macedonian?" - I think you are right, they are very ignorant.

[Phoenix]

To be honest, I was more surprised than he was. Knowing most of the population is Macedonian, even when I was last there in 2008, nobody spoke Macedonian to me. In 2006 I was walking the same streets of Lerin and nobody spoke Macedonian to me then either. It was weird!

My hubby has lived in Aus and has met some egejci here, but he looked at them like they had two heads the first few times he saw a "greek" speaking macedonian. Our dever, who was with us this year when we went to Lerin, was absolutely shocked. Had no idea they were even Macedonians, and kept asking"'why do they know how to speak Macedonian?" - I think you are right, they are very ignorant.

...I find this unbelievable, I'm not suggesting you're lying but it's bloody weird...where are your dever and hubby from that they don't know about the Macedonians who live across the 'border'...???

[Risto the Great]

...I find this unbelievable, I'm not suggesting you're lying but it's bloody weird...where are your dever and hubby from that they don't know about the Macedonians who live across the 'border'...???

I've encountered it on more than a few occasions. It's disgusting and demeaning to Macedonians outside the republic.

[Phoenix]

I've encountered it on more than a few occasions. It's disgusting and demeaning to Macedonians outside the republic.

Surely people living in and around Bitola (at least) know what's going on?

[Niko777]

A Macedonian from Bitola once told me that under communism they were discouraged to travel across the border and were never told that Macedonians lived there, only "fascist Greeks". Don't know how true this is.

[George S.]

It's disgusting and demeaning to Macedonians outside the republic.
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THis is spot on as people are ignorant of what is going on,so how can the possibly understand?The macedonians in macedonia have become insular towards their brothers & sisters outside of macedonia.It's the us & them attitude.As long as it's right my end what is there to care about.There is a sense of powerlessness as they feel they can do nothing to help their brothers & sisters accross the border.Do they care enough??Not really.

[George S.]

It's disgusting and demeaning to Macedonians outside the republic.
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THis is spot on as people are ignorant of what is going on,so how can they possibly understand?The macedonians in macedonia have become insular towards their brothers & sisters outside of macedonia.It's the us & them attitude.As long as it's right my end what is there to care about.There is a sense of powerlessness as they feel they can do nothing to help their brothers & sisters accross the border.Do they care enough??Not really.

[Phoenix]

A Macedonian from Bitola once told me that under communism they were discouraged to travel across the border and were never told that Macedonians lived there, only "fascist Greeks". Don't know how true this is.

Unfortunately, the bullshit above tarnishes everyone from Bitola (and the Republic) as utter morons who think everyone across the 'border' are 'greeks'.

Many people from Bitola have some connection to Egejska, those people aren't the imbeciles you've spoken to and then judge others by.

Even though travel to 'greece' was difficult in the post WWII period it wasn't impossible.

What of the multitude of villages along the 'border', are you suggesting those people don't know about the people over the other 'side'?

My own family have roots both sides of that 'border' and I'm sure the stories are the same for the rest of those villagers on either side of the border.
Many of those folk are now Bitolcani and then there's the many Egejci, that fled the post 'greek' civil war period and settled in Bitola itself and further afield, as far as Skopje.

So I don't buy too much of the above ignorance that this is the 'norm' in the Republic...My opinion is that those people holding such views must be from some pretty isolated villages in Macedonia or have been living under some bloody big boulders...