Hungary and the EU

[Soldier of Macedon]

Will EU expel Hungary? Will they also consider expelling Bulgaria for its policy of brutal denial and negation of Macedonians?

The chances of either scenario are somewhere next to zero.

https://www.aa.com.tr/mk/%D0%B1%D0%B...%D0%B4/2298246

Клучот за стабилноста на регионот е Србија, а додека Србија не биде интегрирана во Европската Унија ни Западен Балкан нема да биде интегриран, изјави унгарскиот премиер Виктор Орбан во Белград, јавува Агенција Анадолија.

Orban insists that Serbia must be integrated into the EU before the rest of the western Balkans. But that means Serbia will need to recognise Kosovo. If the EU try to accept Macedonia before Serbia, Hungary may be the next country to veto. However the situation may develop, Macedonia isn't getting into the EU any time soon.

https://www.dw.com/mk/%D0%BE%D1%80%D...%BB/a-58200881

„Тоа нема врска ни со Србија, ни со Вучиќ“, уверен е Ерик Горди, професор на Универзитетскиот колеџ во Лондон и добар познавач на Балканот. „Орбан добро знае дека ни Србија ниту која било друга земја нема да биде примена во членство во догледна иднина. Во неговата реченица, Србија е шифра за тврдата десница, со оглед на тоа што не може да ги промовира Полска и Словенија кои се веќе дел од ЕУ“. „Доколку ова нешто зборува за Србија, тогаш тоа е дека западнала во лошо друштво. А доколку тоа нешто зборува за Европа, тогаш тоа е уште еден знак дека со некохерентната политика го намалила своето влијание во регионот“, наведува Горди за ДВ.

No new members in the foreseeable future. At least he's honest enough to admit it.

[Carlin]

Will EU expel Hungary? Will they also consider expelling Bulgaria for its policy of brutal denial and negation of Macedonians?

Hungary 'has no place in the EU anymore,' Dutch leader says

URL:

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2021/06/24/europe/hungary-eu-lgbt-mark-rutte-intl/index.html

(CNN) Hungary "has no place" in the European Union after passing a controversial new bill banning LGBTQ content in schools, Dutch Prime Minister Mark Rutte said on Thursday.

Earlier this month Hungary's parliament passed legislation which bans all educational materials and programs for children which are considered to promote homosexuality, gender reassignment and the concept of sexuality deviating from the one assigned to a person at birth.

[Risto the Great]

When the EU money dries up (and it will), we will see the EU fall apart. I look forward to it but hope we don't also see war as a consequence.

[Soldier of Macedon]

Interesting development, but not surprising.

https://www.euronews.com/2021/07/05/...eu-s-direction

Right-wing populist parties in Europe have made a huge step towards unifying themselves after 16 right-wing populist parties from 14 countries issued a joint statement calling for a European Union based on sovereign member states instead of a federal bloc, as they say, is currently envisaged. The main forces behind the declaration are the Polish ruling party, Law and Justice, Viktor Orbán's Fidesz, Marine Le Pen's National Rally, with Matteo Salvini's Lega and Georgia Meloni's Brothers of Italy also present. However, Germany's nationalist party Alternative for Germany is missing from the "gathering of European patriots". Gerolf Annemans, an MEP from the Belgian-Flemish right-wing populist party included in the group, told Euronews that the idea behind the movement is to take the EU in a different direction. "We think that European cooperation can be useful and in some cases necessary, but only on the basis of free nations that cooperate together in a free way," Annemans said.

"So, not what the European Union has become, a judicial system integrated with a severe punishing system and one nation-state above all the others. That is not the European cooperation that we want. We want an alternative and we think that European cooperation deserves a better union." The formation of a new political group in the European Parliament could eventually be on the table, as the Belgian nationalist explains. "Well, of course, this could be the aim, but that is not on the agenda now - that is not the most urgent thing. The most urgent thing is that the Conference on the Future of Europe needs other answers for the design of European Cooperation and that we have to unify our efforts. The group is something for later and it's more complicated," Annemans said on Monday. The possibility of a new populist right-wing force is not an immediate risk for the current Brussels establishment, according to VoteWatch Europe analyst Doru Frantescu, as the number of their MEPs will remain the same. But he says in the long term, it could eventually shape decision-making in the EU.

"It is an important signal that shows that across the continent there is a certain concentration of dissatisfaction with certain policies of the European Union. We have to take into consideration that these parties do disagree on many issues, but where they agree, is on cultural issues - the identitarian issues - them being dissatisfied with what they perceive as the policies of the EU that affect family values, the identitarian composition of their countries," Frantescu told Euronews. "On the other hand, we should not overestimate the importance of this movement, because in practical terms this does not change too much the balance of power in current European politics." Frantescu added that if their parties manage to remain a coherent force by the time of the 2024 European elections, they could have a chance of positioning themselves as the main opposition force in the next European Parliament.

[Soldier of Macedon]

Orban supports EU-entry for Serbia and some other Balkan countries, no doubt seeing the potential of greater cooperation and alignment between more socially conservative peoples as a bulwark against the incessant progressivism of the West.

https://infomax.mk/wp/o%D1%80%D0%B1%...7%D0%B8%D1%98/

(Translation) Hungary's proposals for the future of the EU are: In Brussels they are building such a superpower for which no one has given authorization. We say "no" to the European empire. Integration is a means, not an end in itself. Basic EU treaties should erase commitment to 'closer union among nations in Europe' Decisions should be made by elected leaders, not international NGOs! We say no to outsourcing the rule of law. The strength of European integration is ensured by common economic successes. If we can not be more successful together than individually, then that is the end of the European Union. The next decade will be a period of dangerous challenges: we are threatened by mass migration and pandemics. We must protect the people of Europe. We must restore European democracy. The European Parliament has proved to be a dead end: it represents only its own ideological and institutional interests. The roles of national parliaments need to be increased.

But the EU is unleashing one of its dogs on Poland, which shares similar views to Hungary.

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe...ry-2021-07-03/

WARSAW, July 3 (Reuters) - Former European Council President Donald Tusk returned to the fore of Polish politics on Saturday, becoming leader of the main opposition party in a move that revives a duel with his longstanding foe Jaroslaw Kaczynski. For many in the liberal Civic Platform (PO) party that Tusk helped to found, the stakes are nothing less than Poland's future in the European Union. Elections scheduled for 2023 will determine if the governing nationalist Law and Justice (PiS) party, led by Kaczynski, will continue its disputes with Brussels over issues including judicial reforms that the EU says undermine the independence of judges and LGBT rights. "Civic Platform is indispensable, it is needed as a force, not as a memory, to win the fight for the future against PiS," Tusk told a PO congress in Warsaw. "There is no chance of victory without Civic Platform, and our history tells us that." The rivalry between Tusk and Kaczynski is both deeply personal and emblematic of the division between the pro-European economic and social liberalism of PO, and the conservative social values and left-leaning economics of PiS, which to a large degree defines the Polish political landscape. Speaking on Saturday at a PiS congress in Warsaw - where he was re-elected leader for what he said would be the last time - Kaczynski contrasted what he said were improvements in living standards under PiS to the elitism he said preceded their rule. "This group (the elite) was to dominate ... (and) all the rest were supposed to agree to a modest, poor and sometimes miserable life," he said. "We have restored ... the dignity of people, the dignity of work by raising wages, a very significant increase in pensions, raising the minimum wage."

[Risto the Great]

The law is pretty openly intended to exclude certain NGOs from education

Maybe this is the real problem. Funny how that would ensure the famous Hungarian Soros can't perform his "magic" in his very own birthplace.

Meanwhile Zaev is selling his family to find the plot at the end of the rainbow.

[Karposh]

They threatened to kick Hungary out of the EU?! So, what exactly did Orban do to warrant such talk? Did he invade Romania in a bid to regain Transylvania? Nope, he blasphemed against the LGBT agenda. There's no crime greater, these days, than the crime of not wholeheartedly embracing the LGBT movement. Embracing the "values" of today is to embrace the LGBT agenda. And, if you can't do that then you need to be promptly cancelled. People have lost and continue to lose their jobs over this sacred value. And, by the sounds of it, the powers that be are even prepared to cancel entire nations over these hallowed values of theirs. Hungary has committed the ultimate sin.

The Washington Post wrote an article on this, which I just skimmed over, and the tone was one of utter contempt for Orban. And for what? For daring to protect the impressionable minds of Hungarian children from this subversive propaganda which he is completely in his right to do as the leader of his nation. The article described the new Law that prohibits exposure of this sort of propaganda to kids as an attack on gays. How is it an attack on gays?

[Soldier of Macedon]

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe...ld-2021-06-25/

BRUSSELS, June 25 (Reuters) - Respect LGBT rights or leave the European Union, Dutch Prime Minister Mark Rutte told Hungary's premier as EU leaders confronted Viktor Orban over a law that bans schools from using materials seen as promoting homosexuality. Several EU summit participants spoke of the most intense personal clash among the bloc's leaders in years on Thursday night. "It was really forceful, a deep feeling that this could not be. It was about our values; this is what we stand for," Rutte told reporters on Friday. "I said 'Stop this, you must withdraw the law and, if you don't like that and really say that the European values are not your values, then you must think about whether to remain in the European Union'." French President Emmanuel Macron called it a "cultural battle", acknowledging a deepening rift with increasingly assertive illiberal leaders that is hurting EU cohesion. "To fight against homophobic laws is to defend individual freedoms and human dignity," he said, adding that Hungary should remain a member of the EU. Unless it rows back, Hungary faces a legal challenge at the EU's highest court. Luxembourg Prime Minister Xavier Bettel said Orban should also be subject to an as-yet untested procedure to cut EU funding for those who violate rules. The new mechanism was introduced as closely aligned conservative governments in Poland and Hungary have shielded one another for years from sanctions under existing measures to protect EU democratic and human rights values. The provisions for schools have been included in a law primarily aimed at protecting children from paedophiles, a link that Belgian Prime Minister Alexander De Croo described as "primitive". Orban, who has been Hungary's prime minister since 2010 and faces an election next year, has become more conservative and combative in promoting what he says are traditional Catholic values under pressure from the liberal West. Describing himself as a "freedom fighter", Orban told reporters before the meeting that the law was not an attack on gay people but aimed at guaranteeing parents' right to decide on their children's sexual education. The EU is pushing Orban to repeal the law - the latest in a string of restrictive policies towards media, judges, academics and migrants. Seventeen of the 27 EU leaders, including German Chancellor Angela Merkel, signed a joint letter reaffirming their commitment to protecting gay rights. "We all made it very clear which fundamental values we adhere to," Merkel said. She said she shared Macron's assessment that some EU countries have "very different ideas" about Europe. Bettel, who is openly gay, said the only country other than Poland to support Orban in the discussion was Slovenia, whose prime minister has also been accused of undermining the independence of the media. Bettel said it was time for Brussels to test its new procedure: "Most of the time, money is more convincing than talk."

It's exactly this type of pretentiousness, like thinking they have the right to define "European values", that makes millions of people in Europe feel uneasy about the direction of the EU. These western eurocrats are seemingly prepared to go all out on this issue, even if it means threatening the political unity of their mega-fiefdom.

https://www.euronews.com/2021/06/24/...-hungarian-law

The list of signatories reflects a marked West-East divide: Emmanuel Macron (France), Angela Merkel (Germany), Alexander De Croo (Belgium), Mark Rutte (Netherlands), Micheál Martin (Ireland), Mette Frederiksen (Denmark), Sanna Marin (Finland), Stefan Löfven (Sweden), Mario Draghi (Italy), Robert Abela (Malta), Kyriakos Mitsotakis (Greece) and Nikos Anastasiades (Cyprus). The only representatives from Eastern Europe are Kaja Kallas, from Estonia, and Arturs Krišjānis Kariņš, from Latvia. Notably missing in the initial document was Sebastian Kurz, the Austrian Federal Chancellor. On Monday, Austria chose to join a critical statement that explicitly denounced Hungary's new anti-LGBT law. That statement was also signed off by Lithuania, which also opted out from the new letter. However, Kurz added his signature to Thursday's letter after it was released. Malta and Cyprus, which were absent in the previous joint call, co-signed the new document, whose tone is significantly softer than Monday's censure. Portugal did not join either text because it currently holds the rotating six-month presidency of the Council of the EU and maintains a position of honest broker. However, the Southern country has made no secret of its stance. "It's important that the colours of the rainbow unites us in our diversity," Portugal's Secretary of State for European Affairs, Ana Paula Zacarias, said on Monday.

Interesting divide. Along with the Hungarians, Romanians and Spaniards, all of the countries which speak Slavic languages also refrained from signing the letter. Here are the parts of the new Hungarian law which the western eurocrats deem controversial.

https://www.euractiv.com/section/non...law-explained/

No content featuring portrayals of homosexuality or sex reassignment can be made available to minors – according to the text, “in order to reach the objectives set forth by the present law and to protect the rights of children, it is forbidden to make available for minors content that features any portrayal of sexuality as an end in itself, any deviation from the identity corresponding to one’s sex assigned at birth, sex reassignment, or promotion of homosexuality.”

School sex educators can no longer “promote” homosexuality or sex reassignment – “When educating students on sexual culture, sex life, sexual preferences, and sexual development, special emphasis shall be placed on following the provisions set forth by Article XVI paragraph (1) of the Fundamental Law. These activities cannot aim to promote deviation from the identity corresponding to one’s sex assigned at birth, sex reassignment, or homosexuality.”

Sexual education classes can only be held by registered organisations, limiting more liberal NGOs – Only organisations registered with a “state agency defined by law” may have (also registered) lectures in schools on sexual education, drug prevention, internet usage, or any other topics relating to mental and physical development. The law is pretty openly intended to exclude certain NGOs from education, the explanatory memorandum is clear: “Organisations of questionable professional credibility, created in many cases to represent certain sexual orientations,” are trying to “influence children’s sexual development with their so-called sensitivity trainings, causing severe damage to their physical, mental, and moral development.”

Restrictions on ads with LGBT content – As the explanatory memorandum states, the law “amends Act XLVIII. of 2008 on Business Advertising in such a way that makes it unlawful to broadcast an advertisement to minors if the advertisement portrays sexuality as an end in itself, or portrays or promotes deviation from the identity corresponding to one’s sex at birth, sex reassignment, or homosexuality. The amendment made to the Media Act makes sure that [any such programmes] must be rated Category V (not recommended for minors). Under the proposal, advertisements must also be rated.”

The above points seem to be based on shielding youngsters from being subjected to (or influenced by) the promotion of homosexuality and sex reassignment during their formative years. This is not controversial for most people in Europe, despite the way it is framed by these western eurocrats. Here is the EU letter.



Nobody would dispute that it's a fundamental right for all law-abiding people to live safely in their own countries. But it's also a fundamental right for parents to teach their children about life and values. The government should not be challenging decent parents for influence over children on such matters, particularly during their impressionable years. Schools are to teach language, math, commerce, history, etc. They're not supposed to be a mechanism to convince 10 year old kids to explore their "sexual orientation" or create doubt about their gender which never existed before. It's debatable whether parts of this Hungarian law may be misused by the Hungarian government, but the bigger (and more disturbing) issue is why western eurocrats are so insistent about imposing education pertaining to homosexuality and sex reassignment to children. Let kids be kids.

[Zarni]

add Nationalist and Ultra Nationalist Komita but that seems to be warped in meaning by the Western Media namely CCN and BBC in the 90's who first started coining the term it also is reserved only for a select set of people to demonise

[Komita]

Oh I love western values and media. Everybody that doesn't agree with their new world order and values are far-right, nazi, fascist or racist.

[George S.]

the eu hasn't quite worked out as people have expected al it has acieved is huge debts for the members with no way of paying back the huge debts.People are wondering whether it was worth it?

[Brian]

You simply cant. I don't see such news in Turkish media either.

All the international mainstream media all over the world are controlled or directly operated by the agents/servants of globalist elites. If a certain media channel is not serving for globalist interests, then they cannot reach wider audience and will always remain as alternative. Obeying to the elites is only way to reach wider audience for media channels.

Exactly right Onur. That is why I was defending alternate media when some MTO members were calling it 'kooky'.

People need to look at the at alternate media to find the truth but also need to be careful with some people/organisations in alternate media who have negative alternate agendas to blur/hide the truth or dissuade people from turning to alternate media by deliberately doing kooky stuff there to make people think all alternate media is kooky.

Macedonia (and all countries) needs a good alternate media even if it's on the net and only does a small weekly publication.

[Onur]

How can we feed this to the Macedonian media

You simply cant. I don't see such news in Turkish media either.

All the international mainstream media all over the world are controlled or directly operated by the agents/servants of globalist elites. If a certain media channel is not serving for globalist interests, then they cannot reach wider audience and will always remain as alternative. Obeying to the elites is only way to reach wider audience for media channels.

[Zarni]

How can we feed this to the Macedonian media

[George S.]

the eu is not what people made it out to be.