British Couple Must Demolish Cyprus Home, EU Top Court Says

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  • Bill77
    Senior Member
    • Oct 2009
    • 4545

    British Couple Must Demolish Cyprus Home, EU Top Court Says

    I am not aware if this has been posted before. The story is about 1 year old now, but i feel its very important we document it. This court ruling may have implications and hopefully it bites Greece in the arss when it comes to Macedonian property seized illegally in southern Macedonia. Surley a precedent has been set and the EU especially The European Court of Justice in Luxembourg can not ignore.



    British Couple Must Demolish Cyprus Home, EU Top Court Says

    April 28 (Bloomberg)-- A U.K. couple ordered by a Southern Cyprus court to demolish their holiday home in the northern part of the island, are bound by the ruling, the European Union’s highest court said.

    The European Court of Justice in Luxembourg today said that a judgment from a judge in the Republic of Cyprus in the south must be recognized by EU countries even if it concerns land in the northern part of the island.

    Linda and David Orams, a retired British couple have been entangled in litigation across Europe since the court’s 2004 order. Their dispute took a twist when London’s Court of Appeal in 2007 questioned whether the ruling could be enforced in Northern Cyprus, an area recognized only by Turkey and not part of the EU.

    The ruling, which can’t be appealed and has to be followed by the U.K. court, has implications for thousands of Britons who own property in Northern Cyprus. The Orams, from Hove, England, said they invested 160,000 pounds ($230,000) in their holiday home in Lapithos, a region in the north occupied by Turkish troops in 1974.

    The Cypriot court ordered the Orams to tear down their property in the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus, return the land and pay damages to Meletis Apostolides, an architect whose Greek Cypriot family originally owned the land.

    Apostolides applied to have the judgment recognized in the U.K. which would allow him to seize the couple’s assets. He argued that since the U.K. and Cyprus were both EU member nations, the ruling was enforceable across the region.

    The case is C-420/07 Apostolides v Orams.

    http://www.topix.com/forum/world/cyp...29QSUL8FNB27A2
    Nows the time for Macedonians around the world to take action against Greece. Just like Apostolides, request demolishing of buildings, return of land, and rent covering over 50 years.
    http://www.macedoniantruth.org/forum/showthread.php?p=120873#post120873
  • RitaC
    Junior Member
    • Dec 2010
    • 35

    #2
    Originally posted by Bill77 View Post
    I am not aware if this has been posted before. The story is about 1 year old now, but i feel its very important we document it. This court ruling may have implications and hopefully it bites Greece in the arss when it comes to Macedonian property seized illegally in southern Macedonia. Surley a precedent has been set and the EU especially The European Court of Justice in Luxembourg can not ignore.



    British Couple Must Demolish Cyprus Home, EU Top Court Says

    Nows the time for Macedonians around the world to take action against Greece. Just like Apostolides, request demolishing of buildings, return of land, and rent covering over 50 years.
    I'd suggested the possibility of Macedonians applying some of the Cyprus decisions in the Aegean on the old Maknews forum.

    One of the problems though is that the financial rewards would not be as great as they are in Cyprus - you couldn't give away land in some parts of the Aegean now. Anyone with family from there will have seen the miserable state of the farming sector.

    Also, a decent proportion of the old Macedonian properties have been vacated for many years, so there'd be no one to evict.

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    • makedonche
      Senior Member
      • Oct 2008
      • 3242

      #3
      Bill77

      I happened to catch this on tv and was amazed, the dopey GRK wants his land back as a lemon orchard - the way it was originally WTF?
      On Delchev's sarcophagus you can read the following inscription: "We swear the future generations to bury these sacred bones in the capital of Independent Macedonia. August 1923 Illinden"

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      • Bill77
        Senior Member
        • Oct 2009
        • 4545

        #4
        Originally posted by RitaC View Post
        I'd suggested the possibility of Macedonians applying some of the Cyprus decisions in the Aegean on the old Maknews forum.

        One of the problems though is that the financial rewards would not be as great as they are in Cyprus - you couldn't give away land in some parts of the Aegean now. Anyone with family from there will have seen the miserable state of the farming sector.

        Also, a decent proportion of the old Macedonian properties have been vacated for many years, so there'd be no one to evict.
        Rita,
        It has nothing to do with financial, even though i disagree with your claim it would not be great. Its all to do with justice and recognition. That is priceless.

        Originally posted by makedonche
        I happened to catch this on tv and was amazed, the dopey GRK wants his land back as a lemon orchard - the way it was originally WTF?
        Was it on GEM channel? lol

        Yeh i watched it which was shown about 1 hour ago and i decided to search the web. That poor old English couple. These Greeks will step on anyone. Shame must go on the British government aswell.
        http://www.macedoniantruth.org/forum/showthread.php?p=120873#post120873

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        • Voltron
          Banned
          • Jan 2011
          • 1362

          #5
          Originally posted by Bill77 View Post
          I am not aware if this has been posted before. The story is about 1 year old now, but i feel its very important we document it. This court ruling may have implications and hopefully it bites Greece in the arss when it comes to Macedonian property seized illegally in southern Macedonia. Surley a precedent has been set and the EU especially The European Court of Justice in Luxembourg can not ignore.



          British Couple Must Demolish Cyprus Home, EU Top Court Says

          Nows the time for Macedonians around the world to take action against Greece. Just like Apostolides, request demolishing of buildings, return of land, and rent covering over 50 years.
          This is in fact very old and I dont remember if they did demolish it.
          There is a big difference here. There are numerous UN resolutions in place condemning Turkey for their invasion in Cyprus.

          And even with these resolutions in place for over 30 years Turkey simply chooses to ignore them. If you get your property back, then we should get ours back in Constantinople and Smirni. And thats just for starters...

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          • makedonche
            Senior Member
            • Oct 2008
            • 3242

            #6
            Originally posted by Bill77 View Post
            Rita,
            It has nothing to do with financial, even though i disagree with your claim it would not be great. Its all to do with justice and recognition. That is priceless.

            Was it on GEM channel? lol

            Yeh i watched it which was shown about 1 hour ago and i decided to search the web. That poor old English couple. These Greeks will step on anyone. Shame must go on the British government aswell.
            Bill77
            Yeah I think it was on GEM. No respect from these liars and thieves, pity the poor old couple. How dopey can you get wanting them to knock down the house so he can have his lemon orchard back? If he had half a brain he would let them stay and charge them rent on the land! Obviously no financial genius he thinks he can make more out of growing lemons - what a banana!
            On Delchev's sarcophagus you can read the following inscription: "We swear the future generations to bury these sacred bones in the capital of Independent Macedonia. August 1923 Illinden"

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            • Bill77
              Senior Member
              • Oct 2009
              • 4545

              #7
              Originally posted by makedonche View Post
              Bill77
              Yeah I think it was on GEM. No respect from these liars and thieves, pity the poor old couple. How dopey can you get wanting them to knock down the house so he can have his lemon orchard back? If he had half a brain he would let them stay and charge them rent on the land! Obviously no financial genius he thinks he can make more out of growing lemons - what a banana!
              This is where the Turkish Government should step in. How can a southern Cypriot court have jurisdiction over the Turkish Cypriot side. Regarding the Lemons, if true its a joke. If anyone should be sued for this is the Turkish Cypriot Authorities who gave the approvals for ownership and the Building go ahead.
              http://www.macedoniantruth.org/forum/showthread.php?p=120873#post120873

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              • Onur
                Senior Member
                • Apr 2010
                • 2389

                #8
                Originally posted by makedonche View Post
                No respect from these liars and thieves, pity the poor old couple. How dopey can you get wanting them to knock down the house so he can have his lemon orchard back? If he had half a brain he would let them stay and charge them rent on the land! Obviously no financial genius he thinks he can make more out of growing lemons - what a banana!
                Makedonche, All the Cyprus property cases in EU court of human rights has been set up and leaded by Greece and Greek Cyprus governments. These are not simple cases of ordinary Greek Cypriot landowners. Their aim was preventing British or Turkish people to do any change to the previously Greek Cypriot owned homes, fields etc. So, they don't care much about getting rent fee or something. They don't even care about getting their lands back at all cuz in 2004 UN peace plan, Turkey accepted to give them money or give their lands back to them but they refused it. This is partly because Turkish Cypriots was living in southern side of the island too and Turkey demanded from Greeks to pay compensation for these previously Turkish Cypriot owned properties. It`s easy for us to give back their property to them cuz we protected most of their lands but on the other hand, Greek Cyprus demolished all Turkish Cypriot property in southern side and confiscated all Turkish land registers and then built roads, schools, public buildings on top of all. Now, they just want Greek owned properties back but they are not that fancy paying compensation for the property of 15.000+ Turkish Cypriots who previously lived in south side before 1974.

                They are also happy about current situation cuz while Greek Cypriots have a right to apply to the European Court of Justice and ask for money from Turkey but Turkish Cypriots cannot do the same cuz they are not recognized by EU or any other international institution. If there would be an agreement in Cyprus, then Turkish Cypriots would gain same rights to ask compensation from Greek side but this is not something they want. If it`s necessary, Turkey have enough economical power to pay billions of Euros but tiny Greek Cyprus cant pay back the compensation for 15.000+ Turkish Cypriots since they demolished all of them.



                Originally posted by Bill77 View Post
                This is where the Turkish Government should step in. How can a southern Cypriot court have jurisdiction over the Turkish Cypriot side.
                It`s the European Court of Justice not the Greek Cypriot court. Turkey doesn't recognize a country called Cyprus and Greek Cyprus government doesn't have any authority at north side but we do recognize the European Court of Justice thanks to the fcking EU membership negotiation process since 1960s.


                Btw, in regards to the Macedonian properties in Aegean Macedonia; You would be stupid to not apply for a compensation case to the European Court of Justice if you still have land register information and papers from 1940s. Why you don't sue them in the European Court of Justice if you have a right to do that?
                Last edited by Onur; 03-30-2011, 06:14 AM.

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                • Voltron
                  Banned
                  • Jan 2011
                  • 1362

                  #9
                  The Annan Plan was a nice plan for you guys. Of course you accepted it. The plan was created by your buddies ( UK and USA ).

                  You cannot compare TC properties vs GC properties. Thats laughable.
                  "Protecting" our properties ? Now thats a nice spin on it...
                  Pls do the world a favor and stop protecting ppl, everytime you do someone loses their house.

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                  • Onur
                    Senior Member
                    • Apr 2010
                    • 2389

                    #10
                    You cannot compare TC properties vs GC properties. Thats laughable.
                    Why i cant do that? Rogue state of Greek Cyprus will eventually pay the compensation for 15.000+ Turkish Cypriot properties in south side, just as we will pay theirs.



                    "Protecting" our properties ? Now thats a nice spin on it...
                    This is one example and there are more like that;
                    Looks like the rogue state of Greek only Cyprus with ex-EOKA terrorist rulers actually have an intelligence service and they do some dirty works to learn whats going on beforehand when UN mediator speaks with Turkish authorities behind closed doors; Big grats to the Greeks. Sure as hell they know how to negotiate!


                    Show me just one previously Turkish Cypriot owned property in Greek Cyprus today. You just cant, cuz Greek Cypriots destroyed all just like you previously destroyed everything from Ottoman era in Greece.

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                    • Bill77
                      Senior Member
                      • Oct 2009
                      • 4545

                      #11
                      Originally posted by Onur View Post
                      It`s the European Court of Justice not the Greek Cypriot court. Turkey doesn't recognize a country called Cyprus and Greek Cyprus government doesn't have any authority at north side but we do recognize the European Court of Justice thanks to the fcking EU membership negotiation process since 1960s.
                      Initially it was a GC court that made the ruling. The defendants took it to a British court that over ruled the Greek Cypriot court. Their argument was "Turkish part of Cyprus is not part of EU their for EU policies do not apply" It was then taken to the EU courts who upheld the GC courts decision. So i understand this to be a "GC ruling" with the EU's stamp of approval.
                      http://www.macedoniantruth.org/forum/showthread.php?p=120873#post120873

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                      • Voltron
                        Banned
                        • Jan 2011
                        • 1362

                        #12
                        Originally posted by Onur View Post
                        Why i cant do that? Rogue state of Greek Cyprus will eventually pay the compensation for 15.000+ Turkish Cypriot properties in south side, just as we will pay theirs.
                        According to the 1964 Land and Registry record, approximately 82% of the privately owned land in the territory now under Turkish occupation was owned by persons belonging to the Greek Cypriot community, while persons belonging to the Turkish Cypriot community owned approximately 16.7%. That position still obtained in 1974.

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                        • RitaC
                          Junior Member
                          • Dec 2010
                          • 35

                          #13
                          Originally posted by Bill77 View Post
                          Rita,
                          It has nothing to do with financial, even though i disagree with your claim it would not be great.
                          Any particular reason why you disagree?

                          My grandparents not long ago offloaded perfectly good farmland for 800 euro an acre.

                          'Farmers' in the area have been living on EU subsidies for the better part of the last decade. Those EU subsidies are mostly due to phase out in the next couple of years. Those already tired villages will become ghost towns as the last of the oldies die off.

                          If your property is not in the major towns, you aint worth nothing.

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                          • Prolet
                            Senior Member
                            • Sep 2009
                            • 5241

                            #14
                            Onur, Dora Boykoyanis is saying that Greece is a good friend of Turkey and that they will give the green light for EU entry once the issue with Cyprus is solved. She also says that Greece is the most honest friend of Turkey and that Greece is not a threat in anyway.

                            Бакојани: Турција ќе влезе во ЕУ веднаш откако ќе го реши кипарското прашање
                            Среда, 30 Март 2011


                            Споделете ја веста со Вашите фејсбук пријатели и станете потенцијален добитник на патување за двајца во Златната Прага за време на Велигденските празници.
                            Поранешниот министер за надворешни работи на Грција, Дора Бакојани изјави дека Грција е најискрениот партнер на Турција.


                            -Грција не го дели мислењето на Франција и Германија. Ние велиме дека штом Турција ги реши кипарското прашање и го заврши процесот на реформи, таа ќе може да стане членка на ЕУ, посочи Бакојани.

                            Поранешната грчка министерка за надворешни работи ја подвлече неопходноста од надминување на кипарскиот проблем врз основа на резолуциите на ОН. Според неа, меѓутоа, додека на островот има 40.000 турски војници, надминувањето на кипарскиот проблем не изгледа многу веројатен.

                            Според Бакојани, фактот дека Кипар е членка на ЕУ, е најважната гаранција за безбедноста на островот.

                            На прашањето поврзано со спорот за границата на воздушниот простор и морската граница во Егејско море, Бакојани одговори дека грчката страна не претставува закана за Турција.

                            -Турција треба да сфати дека грчките острови сочинуваат 40 проценти од територијата на Грција. Од Грција не може да дојде закана за Турција. Ние сме сојузници во НАТО и на прашањето за морската граница треба да се гледа од овој агол, рече таа.

                            МАКЕДОНЕЦ си кога кавал ќе ти ја распара душата,зурла ќе ти го раскине срцето,кога секое влакно од кожата ќе ти се наежи кога ќе видиш шеснаесеткрако сонце,кога до коска ќе те заболи кога ќе слушнеш ПЈРМ,кога немаш ни за леб,а полн си во душата затоа што ја сакаш МАКЕДОНИЈА. МАКЕДОНИЈА во срце те носиме.

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                            • Jankovska
                              Senior Member
                              • Sep 2008
                              • 1774

                              #15
                              Originally posted by Voltron View Post
                              This is in fact very old and I dont remember if they did demolish it.
                              There is a big difference here. There are numerous UN resolutions in place condemning Turkey for their invasion in Cyprus.

                              And even with these resolutions in place for over 30 years Turkey simply chooses to ignore them. If you get your property back, then we should get ours back in Constantinople and Smirni. And thats just for starters...
                              You shold get COnstantinople? I haven't been on the forum in a while, what have a missed?
                              Constantinopole is Greek? WTF?

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