Makedonija i Grcija da se obedinat - predlagaat grchki eksperti (?)

[indigen]

Македонија и Грција да се обединат- предлагаат грчки експерти

Обединување на Македонија и Грција во една земја со два различни Парламента – предлага претседателот на Институтот за меѓу балкански односи.



Талис Милонас, коментирајќи ја актуелната ситуација во регионот вели дека на Македонија и се заканува опасност од Албанците од Косово кои сакаат да го земат западниот дел од земјата, но и од Бугарија која со издавањето пасоши на македонски државјани има територијални претензии.

-Да се обедини со Грција и да има дума, еден заеднички Парламент. Остануваат Парламентите од едната и од другата страна и да има еден централен парламент од Скопјани и Грци, а да постои една држава. Во основа ќе биде една држава со два различни парламенти. Заедно со Грција ќе влезете во НАТО, ќе влезете во Европската Унија, тоа ќе се случи веднаш.

Затоа што сега, кој знае дали некогаш ќе влезете. А обединети со Грција, под една заедничка дума, но со автономија, може најдобро да се решат сите проблеми, затоа што на крај ќе останете сами, вели Талис Милонас, претседател на Институтот за меѓубалкански односи.

Експертот Милонас смета дека терминот Македонија треба ексклузивно да и припаѓа на Грција, а сложеното име за кое официјално се согласува Грција може да наиде на реакции од народот.

-Грчката влада вели дека може да прифати сложено име со терминот Македонија.

-Мислам дека накрај нема да се осмели да го направи тоа. Може да го
кажува, но нема да има храброст да го направи.

- Сметате дека...

- Ќе се дигне народот. Може владата не застапува 100% од народот, ниту 50 %, а мнозинството од грчкиот народот е против.

Институтот за меѓубалкански односи постои повеќе од 20 години, познат е од Организацијата на обединетите нации, а а има за цел приближување на земјите од Балканот и нивна потесна соработка во сите области.

Сања Ристовска- дописник од Грција
29.01.2011

http://www.kanal5.com.mk/default.aspx?mId=37&egId=13&eventId=70619

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NB: Unless I have missed another topic on MTO where this "news" or "proposal" has been posted, it seems to have been skipped as a discussion topic (which has been covered at kjagana and elsewhere on other Macedonian forums!).

[makedonche]

Indigen

Sloboda illi smrt!
Nikoi pat ne se soglasvam da se meshame so ovie gjuptsi!

It appears to me they are trying to play the "if you can't beat them - join them" card here. They are looking for people to do their work for them so they can pay their debts off!

[fyrOM]

They are looking for people to do their work for them so they can pay their debts off!

All those people supporting the Going to Greece on holiday line and its all the same line in a previous thread must be now rejoicing at the prospect of this news.

[George S.]

ilonas expert argued that Macedonia should belong exclusively to the Greeks, and compound name for the officially agreed Greece could face reaction from the people.

-The Greek government says it can accept a composite name with the term Macedonia.
Another hairbrained idea which will leave the grks in control.Also the greeks can stuff it up like greece if it isn't stuffed up allready.

[Voltron]

What would be the negatives for the Macedonians ? Seriously ? Is he advocating having Greek Macedonia as an automonous region with ROM proper as a country or part of Greece ? Google translate is good but some parts I wasnt quite clear.

[Serdarot]

za mene e prifatlivo konfederalno reshenie megju Makedonija, Grcija i Bugarija, ili tie tri + Turcija.

Ama prv chekor kon toa bi bilo obedinuvanje na Makedonija, i normalno, bez razlika na to to sho Makedoncite se sega malcinstvo vo Egejska, i egejska i pirinska bi bile del od Makedonskata Drzhava. (znachi obedinuvanje na Makedonija pred se)

Ta fino grchkata i bugarskata drzhava da se izvinat za zlostvorstvata storeni vrz Makedoncite.

Pa nekako da im se objasni na grcite deka terminot Makedonija NAM, na Makedoncite ni pripagja, i nikomu drug, i da se nacrta na vulgarite deka ne mozhi vnukot da e postar od deda...

I ushte nekolku raboti...

E posle to, bi naprajle konfederacija so grcite i bugarite, cisto poradi ekonomski interesi.

Znachi, nikogash, a mozhi i togash ne.

Ne deka mene bi mi smetalo,ama nemame rabota so lugje, tuku so grci i vulgari...

[Soldier of Macedon]

-Да се обедини со Грција и да има дума, еден заеднички Парламент. Остануваат Парламентите од едната и од другата страна и да има еден централен парламент од Скопјани и Грци, а да постои една држава. Во основа ќе биде една држава со два различни парламенти. Заедно со Грција ќе влезете во НАТО, ќе влезете во Европската Унија, тоа ќе се случи веднаш.

Haha, that actually sounds funny (in a stupid way). Perhaps there should be a union between Macedonians and Athenians instead (equally stupid).

This is a completely unrealistic and ridiculous proposal. Macedonia must remain in the hands of the Macedonian people.

[Dimko-piperkata]

the son´s of makedon will never blend their royal white blood with those invader´s from africa.
greece should re-emigrate south where they come from!

[DirtyCodingHabitz]

Macedonia must remain in the hands of the Macedonian people.

To bad it's not government by the Macedonian people. I'm just wondering how long it will take until they change the name.

Also that greek guy was right about 1 thing. albanians and bulgarians will probably be successful at separating our country again, I don't doubt that anymore.

[Daniel the Great]

That is a extremely dumb suggestion. I don't think it's worth talking about it, it's never going to happen, let those stupid Greeks dream. If anything it is us Macedonians who deserve to re-unite with Aegean Macedonia simple as that.

[DirtyCodingHabitz]

If anything it is us Macedonians who deserve to re-unite with Aegean Macedonia simple as that.

But that's just a dream now, greece will never give it back. Unless we get legitimate politicians, we will never have any success. Our politicians are successful at only destroying our identity, history and country.

Someone needs to start a Macedonian Tea Party and overthrow these traitors with new politicians that aren't pederi.

[fyrOM]

What would be the negatives for the Macedonians ? Seriously ?

At least we would be able to get authentic souvlaki and with the multitude of refugees Greece has we might be able to get authentic Chinese food Afghan Egyptian Indian ect. Think of the benefits. Macedonians cant wait to go to Greece on holiday and Greeks are coming over to do their shopping gambling and other entertainment and health and retirement needs and Macedonians are learning Greek to converse with them…where almost there…heck why don’t we just go the whole hog and become Greek I hear its so easy all you have to do is think you’re Greek…literally anybody can do it.

I wonder if you want to undo it can you just think your not Greek… better not tell anyone because it might be the thin edge of the wedge and the Greeks might start thinking their Albanians Vlaghs Roma Turks Egyptians Ethiopians ect ect and no more Greeks. Oh No what if they all start thinking they’re Macedonian they might have to shoot themselves and leave no grave or trace they existed.

Mmm…where did I put that book on hypnosis and subliminal messages.

Someone needs to start a Macedonian Tea Party and overthrow these traitors with new politicians that aren't pederi.

I don’t know which part of Macedonia you come from but a Tea Party…seriously…could we make it a Rakia Party or better still a Mastika Party.

[Voltron]

Ozi, you crack me up sometimes. So I guess you would prefer a bastion multi-cultural society with the mosques cropping up all around you in the name of "diversity".
Whatever suits you mate, I never said Macedonians had to become Greek. Hell, Im still not clear on the translation. I just thought it would be a better idea to team up than to be at each other's throats, but whatever man...

[DirtyCodingHabitz]

I hear its so easy all you have to do is think you’re Greek…literally anybody can do it.

I wonder if you want to undo it can you just think your not Greek… better not tell anyone because it might be the thin edge of the wedge and the Greeks might start thinking their Albanians Vlaghs Roma Turks Egyptians Ethiopians ect ect and no more Greeks. Oh No what if they all start thinking they’re Macedonian they might have to shoot themselves and leave no grave or trace they existed.

Mmm…where did I put that book on hypnosis and subliminal messages.

This comment is pure gold! .

So I guess you would prefer a bastion multi-cultural society with the mosques cropping up all around you in the name of "diversity".

We'll do our best to survive. After all, our ancestors never gave up.

[fyrOM]

Ozi, you crack me up sometimes. So I guess you would prefer a bastion multi-cultural society with the mosques cropping up all around you in the name of "diversity".
Whatever suits you mate, I never said Macedonians had to become Greek. Hell, Im still not clear on the translation. I just thought it would be a better idea to team up than to be at each other's throats, but whatever man...

Voltron a Macedonian saying is God gave you mind and reason therefore think and do. I believe in using logic and in my mind it made excellent logic for Greeks and Macedonians to be independent partners and allies of the west just like Greece did when coming out of the Ottoman empire. Today’s a different scene but back then both faced threats from the Albanians Bulgarians and their communist masters…who wants to be a slave to Bulgarians and communists from Russia. Cooperation between the Greeks and Macedonians both in terms of economics and defense makes sense…after all it is the similarities between two groups that makes it possible for them to tolerate each other get along and not feel a sense of loss of identity…a key driving force to conflict in any group anywhere in the world.

Here’s why I think the west helped Greece become a country and pumped so much support in them.

http://www.macedoniantruth.org/forum/showthread.php?t=3524&highlight=suez&page=3

Post021...don’t let the spelling and spell checker mistakes detract from the meaning.

If it was for the sake of having a solid foot on the ground from which to defend their precious Suez canal couldn’t they just have made it a slightly bigger footprint by including Macedonia on friendly terms instead of mass murder and occupation. Like I said in a different thread even if it was on the lowest level of like a Hong Kong deal the west would have found willing allies in the Macedonians…who wants to be under the control of someone who treats you like scum and calls you a South Serb or a Bulgarian who has less manners than a dog and to be communists to boot.

Given the wolves circling in the past century it would be logical to stick with a group who offered respect dignity and freedom to work and live in peace…but sadly this did not happen because of the short sightedness of both the Greek but more so their masters the west. This is where the Greeks could have stepped up and tried to persuade the west but had their own shortcomings of greed and their minds went to mud as their eyes bulged at seeing the land they could grab.