Greek Cypriot intelligence stole UN documents

[makedonche]

Onur
Be careful, not too much truth at once, they can't cope with it, you may have to resort to little truths at a time so they can get their feeble minds aroud it easier!

[Onur]

Clearly this is the collateral consequence of the Greek junta.

Actually there are more than that. The oppression and massacres of Turkish Cypriots began 10 years earlier than 1974. Turkish Cypriots was about 25% of the whole population in Cyprus in early 1960s and everything begun when Greek Cypriots formed EOKA-B to exterminate Turkish presence in the island and unite Cyprus with Greece. They forced all the Turkish people to leave their homes and all other proprieties and live in the ghettos which only consists of 2-3 district. So, they forced 25% of population to live in 2% of the island. This continued for 10 years `till 1974 and half of the Turkish people in the island immigrated out to Australia and England during that time.

I just found some reports from the archives of British ITN media website. There are 100s of reports like that from international media but you can never see a Greek mentions about these events. They keep it hidden and only talk about so-called "invasion of Turkish troops" in 1974.

This one is a video report from 07 February 1964. EOKA terrorists raids in to a Turkish village, kills 16 people and burns down whole village cuz they refused to leave their village for ghettos. Unfortunately ITN mutes the preview of the video but everything is clear from the footage;

http://www.itnsource.com/shotlist//ITN/1964/02/07/FS070264001

One year later, British journalist reports in 24 March 1965. There are scenes of the Turkish ghettos where about 10-20 children lives in one small room. Greek Cypriots puts down more pressure to all the Turks and then they are trying to be ready if Turkish army comes for helping the Turks in the island. Greeks even restricts food and water supply to the Turkish ghettos while Turkey try to send food to them. Greeks protesting in the streets against the presence of UN security force who just tries to help Turks and ease the tension. British reporter says that Greek forces opens fire to the UN soldiers and prevents them helping to the Turks. Greeks don't even allow neither press nor UN forces to enter to the areas of conflict. Watch this one, it has extensive report and this video has sound too;

http://www.itnsource.com/shotlist//BHC_ITN/1965/03/24/X24036503

[George S.]

the photos say it all.

[Risto the Great]

Clearly this is the collateral consequence of the Greek junta.
Onur's observations seem far more entrenched in realism than some of the fantastic Greek perspectives on Cyprus.

[Onur]

Wikipedia doesn't say something different than i wrote.

Ofc it`s obvious that a pro-Greek person wrote that on wikipedia and he never even mentions that about ~25.000 fully equipped soldiers of fascist Greek Junta came from Greece to Cyprus, 5 days before first Turkish soldiers step on the island. During that 5 days, Varosha was already evacuated and Turkish army just secured the area by building a fence around it to prevent the buildings and the area to stay unharmed. Ofc in 1974, no one could guess that it will stay as a ghost town for 37 years.

Also wiki article relates like Turks controlling the area. Thats wrong. Varosha is under control of UN soldiers since 1974.

So, it wasn't the Turkish soldiers who came to island at first. It was the soldiers from Greece who arrived in there and they even destroyed the parliament of united Cyprus with tanks and killed 100s of Greek Cypriots who protested the Junta`s coup d`etat in the streets.

[Moon Tiki]

Onur,
your short history of how Varosha were deserted was... a small masterpiece.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Famagusta#Since_1974

[DirtyCodingHabitz]

Perfect place to make a zombie movie .

[Onur]

There was a district called "Maras, Varosha-Famagusta" in Cyprus. It was one of the most luxurious place in whole Europe once. There was only big hotels and few luxurious villas belong to the movie stars and richest people in Europe.


Maras, Varosha before the war of 1974


When Greek Junta army invaded Cyprus in 1974, most people in whole district has been evacuated and few remaining ones(ie. owners of hotels) left it when Turkish military operation begun. The invasion of Greek Junta was totally unexpected and most people(mostly tourists) didn't even have a chance to pickup their cloths and personal stuff when they left the island. Everyone left the town in panic because Greek Junta entered the island with war tanks and immediately destroyed the parliament building of united Cyprus with bombs and they immediately seized the whole island to look for the Greek Cypriot PM of 1974, called Makarios and also so-called communists, the enemies of Hellenism to kill them.


Maras is right on the middle of the Greek and Turkish Cypriot border today, serving as a buffer zone between Turks and Greeks. Turkey didn't get that part of the island cuz most of the properties in there belong to the foreigners. It`s a restricted area since 1974 and forbidden to enter except for few UN soldiers.

So, no one except few UN soldiers stepped in there since 1974. it`s a ghost town for 37 years and only a home for birds.

In 2007, United Nations allowed one journalist to enter that district and take some photos. Here are few photos from once luxurious but today`s ghost town of Maras, 2007;


































Hard to believe there is a place like that in EU, right? But there is one...

[Onur]

So? Greece had a 8 years long colonel Junta regime `till 1974 and Turkey saved you from that. Yes, there was a military coup in 1980 in Turkey but they totally left the parliament in 2 years. But what`s this got to do with EU? especially today, after 31 years from 1980?


Thomas Niles is just expressing what he saw while he was in Athens. Actually i have to ask like "Whatta hell EU has to do with Cyprus problem?" Cyprus problem was existed b4 Greek side joined the EU and EU cant and wont have a word for it maybe except British cuz they partly have responsibility for Cyprus too.

[Moon Tiki]

Just for the info; Turkey and EU signed an agreement in 1960s and EU promised to accept Turkey to the EU as late as 1981 but they didn't keep their word and they took Greece in 1981 instead of Turkey and our journey of vetoes and blackmails begun.

Is this a joke? Didn’t Turkey have a military coup just one year before (in 1980)?

Thomas Niles’ opinion is welcome and interesting, since it’s not diplomatic, but… wait. Niles was the American ambassador in Athens. What the hell does Cyprus’ entry in European Union has to do with USA?

[Onur]

David Hannay, special Representative of UN for Cyprus between 1996 and 2003 discusses Cyprus issue with the Greek and Turkish Cypriot guests, 17 November 2010;

YouTube - Riz Khan - Cyprus: Time for formal partition?


I wish the best of patience to the Turkish Cypriot representatives who speaks with Greeks in UN negotiations because I cant even stand hearing the same bullshit they say for 37+ years over and over again in this video. A Turkish Cypriot called with the phone from USA, and she reminded the incident she saw with her own eyes in Cyprus. She told that the Greek terrorists killed a woman and her three sons at the bus stop in front of her. Then she said that Turkey gone to the island to save whatever left from the Turkish community in the island. to the idiot Greek and he said "i prefer to answer to the British man instead of her"!!!. They are irritating, agitating and pestering me.

In the end, David Hannay couldn't stand either and strongly objected to the Greek Cypriot in this tv program and he recommends him to stop with this useless Greek agenda and get in to the facts.

[Onur]

Dribs and drabs are coming from Wikileaks relating to Cyprus. There’s been some remarks by Chris Patten, formerly the EU’s External Relations Commissioner, made to a US official in Brussels, on 28 April 2004, shortly after Cyprus entered the EU having rejected the Annan plan. Patten was a senior Tory politician and government minister in the 1980s and 1990s and was, indeed, the last British governor of Hong Kong. He is currently the chancellor of Oxford University.

Wikileaks: Chris Patten says Cyprus ‘foisted’ on EU
Next Steps On Cyprus/Papadopolous’ Dubious Character...
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3. (C) The next steps for the Commission are figuring out how to spend money in Northern Cyprus. Patten expects the EC to open an office to oversee their assistance. While there will be legal hurdles to managing the process, he was confident the Commission would find a way. Patten doubted the Greek Cypriots would openly oppose any efforts, noting that they were “on their heels” diplomatically after their blatant efforts to stifle opposing views on the referendum. This incident, Patten said, was a sad reflection on the realities of EU enlargement: Some of the new members were people you would “only want to dine with if you have a very long spoon.” Not that the EU should have been surprised by Papadopolous’ behavior, Patten said, since they knew well who they were dealing with: Milosevic’s lawyer.XXXXXXXXXXXX ... And on


Turkey
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4. (C) Patten noted that he was the biggest proponent in the Commission for Turkey’s admission. In his view, based on the technical merits alone, the Commission has no other option but to give a positive avis to begin accession negotiations. Still, he said the political climate in Europe is not receptive to Turkey’s candidacy. The problem, in his view, was not Chirac in France, since “he can change his policies on a whim.” Patten considered the opposition of conservative parties in Germany and Spain the most serious obstacles to Turkish admission.


On the Difference Between a Union and an Alliance
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5. (C) Patten also said he felt at times the US does not fully appreciate the difference between expanding an alliance like NATO, and a Union like the EU. When a country joins an alliance, it becomes a distinct member of a group committed to a common cause -- but nothing more. When countries join the EU, they become part of the whole, formally and practically indistinct in many areas of EU competence. “We have to be ready to trust their food and sanitation standards, for instance.” In this regard, he noted that some of the accession countries were foisted on the EU as part of a larger bargain. Cyprus, for instance, probably should not have been admitted (as Papadapolous’ behavior prior to the referendum indicated), but the Greeks insisted on Cypriot admission as the price of agreeing to some of the northern European candidates. Croatia, Patten said, is probably far more prepared for EU membership than either Bulgaria or Romania, who will likely enter the Union earlier. Romania, in particular, was a “feral nation.” We noted that we were shocked by del Ponte’s clean bill of health on ICTY cooperation while Gotovina still was at large inside Croatia. Patten said he too was surprised by del Ponte’s letter, but once the referee had made the call, the EU was bound by her judgement.

http://cablegate.wikileaks.org/cable...SSELS1868.html

The next steps for the Commission are figuring out how to spend money in Northern Cyprus. Patten expects the EC to open an office to oversee their assistance. While there will be legal hurdles to managing the process, he was confident the Commission would find a way. Patten doubted the Greek Cypriots would openly oppose any efforts, noting that they were “on their heels” diplomatically after their blatant efforts to stifle opposing views on the referendum.

Chris Patton was wrong about this in 2004. Even after their refusal to UN peace plan for Cyprus, they objected to lifting embargo upon Turkish Cypriots and they have blocked all the EU funds going for the Turks in the island. So, not even a dime delivered to the Turks in island and Greek Cypriots got away from all the bullshit they have done and caused.

Ofc like i always believed and say, that was the decision of big guns in EU, little Cyprus cannot do this crap all by themselves without the approval of big guns.

Some of the new members were people you would “only want to dine with if you have a very long spoon.” Not that the EU should have been surprised by Papadopolous’ behavior, Patten said, since they knew well who they were dealing with: Milosevic’s lawyer.

Chris Patton is telling the truth again. Former Cypriot PM Papadopulos was one of the key members of EOKA terrorist organization and he was fiercely advocating and encouraging Greek Colonel`s fascist army to exterminate all the Turks in the island if Turkey interferes to their coup d`etat and tries to prevent their union with Greece. Ofc as a Greek Cypriot habit, he has been awarded with presidency in Cyprus for his commitment to the so-called Hellenic cause. He was also the voluntary lawyer of the Serbian butcher Milosevic as you can read here. Ofc this was no surprise again.

The thing is, literally NONE of the European politicians speaks like this to the public. They only have balls to speak the truths only behind closed doors like the case with Chris Patton here. Hopefully we have Wikileaks, so we can read these now.

[George S.]

Bratot & onur you guys are spot on the money.With friends like the eu & nato who needs enemies.Macedonia should think outside the square there is the bigger picture rather than join these crazy organizations & compromise on the name.
Onur we know that both countries macedonia & turkey are discriminated by the eu but what is it that turkey has to do do they have to compromise anything?

[Onur]

This is unbeliavble!

Yes it is Bratot but thats the truth. The worst thing is, not a single EU politician speaks the truth while they are in the office, just like Daniel Hannan says. Mostly because of this, whenever you ask Cyprus problem to the public in EU, 95 out of 100 people accuses Turkey by being irreconcilable, stubborn, barbaric, criminal and bad and regards Greeks as innocent angels.

They are allowed to do whatever they want, what the f..k we look into a "Union" with such blackmailers and thiefts.

Thats why i post these messages about our EU journey here, just to show you that you might regret any compromise you make in the future by believing their promises and even if you become a candidate for the EU, big powers can block all financial funds and veto any chapter they want by using Greece or Greek Cyprus as a tool and/or as a cover.

[Bratot]

This is unbeliavble!

They are allowed to do whatever they want, what the f..k we look into a "Union" with such blackmailers and thiefts.