Greek Cypriot intelligence stole UN documents

[Onur]

Looks like the rogue state of Greek only Cyprus with ex-EOKA terrorist rulers actually have an intelligence service and they do some dirty works to learn whats going on beforehand when UN mediator speaks with Turkish authorities behind closed doors;

Greek Cypriot intelligence stole UN documents

The Greek Cypriot intelligence agency, or KIP, was behind last year's theft of documents from the United Nations, the biggest in the organization's history, according to Greek Cypriot media, Anatolia news agency reported.

Parts of the 6,500-page secret documents were published in the Greek Cypriot Fililefteros newspaper. KIP was allegedly involved in stealing the said documents and leaking parts of them to the press.

The daily Politis claimed Sunday that the theft was part of an attempt by the Greek Cypriot administration to smear the U.N., saying the “clear goal” was “to derail the ongoing direct talks” on the island’s reunification.

"The U.N. General Secretariat believes the Greek Cypriot administration is involved in the incident and if the Cyprus talks fail, it will evaluate their involvement as a show of ill intention,” Politis said.

The daily also said Greek Cypriot President Dimitris Christofias had claimed "the U.N. was using the documents to give the impression that I [Christofias] was resisting while the U.N. was arbitrating," and added that the documents were stolen just as the U.N. was expected to play a more crucial role in the second round of talks that began on Sept. 10, 2009.

The theft was made in such a way to make the source of the leak look like the U.N., Politis' report said.

"It was clear that the leak was intended to prevent the U.N.'s active participation in the talks and hurt [U.N. Cyprus Envoy Alexander] Downer's reputation," Politis said.

UN investigation points finger at Greek Cypriot administration
A U.N. investigation into the incident concluded that the Greek Cypriot administration was responsible for the leak, Politis' report said.

As part of the theft, Downer's aide's e-mails were illegally accessed 11 times, according to the report, adding that his e-mails were checked while he was out of the country since hackers were apparently aware of his movements.

An employee working at the hotel where Downer's aide was staying vanished after the secret documents were published in the Greek Cypriot press.

Ultimately, there was no information in the leaked files that could be used against Christofias, the report said.

October 25, 2010

http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/n.p...ims-2010-10-25

Big grats to the Greeks. Sure as hell they know how to negotiate! I am "sure" this will have positive effect to our "peace" negotiations with them atm. I don't even know why we even negotiate with them either. At least we have a deadline `till 2011 tough

[Onur]

Talks are ‘last chance for solution’ on Cyprus

Cyprus might slide towards formal partition if a make-or-break meeting of Greek and Turkish Cypriot leaders at the UN this month fails to find a solution to the long-running crisis, diplomats fear.

Three years after the UN began its latest attempt to broker a deal, Ban Ki-moon, the UN secretary-general, has taken the unprecedented step of summoning the leaders of the Republic of Cyprus and the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus to New York in an attempt to end the deadlock.

The talks are set for November 18. But officials in the UN and leading western governments have warned that there is a limit to how long they will back the negotiations, saying they are running out of patience with the inability of both sides to strike a deal.

“If we don’t get agreement now . . . then it really is ‘goodnight, nurse’ ”, a leading diplomat involved in negotiations told the Financial Times.

“There’s a chance the UN will withdraw its good offices in hosting the talks. We’re not going to stay here for ever, going through mindless meetings and meaningless talks.”

Another senior diplomat from a European Union nation warned that the peace talks ran the risk of failing completely. “This meeting is the last chance for a solution because progress so far has been pitiful,” the diplomat said. “We’re approaching the point where it’s time to face up to the painful consequences of failure.” The Greek and Turkish Cypriot leaders have held almost 90 face-to-face negotiating sessions in the drive for a settlement. Talks to create a single federal state comprising both communities appeared near success in January after years of often difficult talks. But discussions have stalled because the Greek Cypriots are demanding extra territory on the island before they agree to abandon their historic rights to property that is on the Turkish side.

Critics of Demetris Christofias, the Republic of Cyprus president, said the Greek Cypriots were using filibustering tactics. “The Greek Cypriot leadership pulls back when advisers are close to agreeing,” said one person with knowledge of the talks.

The senior EU diplomat said failure to strike a deal this year would bring a real risk that Cyprus would move to formal partition. While the Greek part of the island is an internationally recognised state and member of the EU, the TRNC is formally recognised only by Turkey. “If there is no significant progress by the end of 2010, it will have disastrous consequences and Cyprus could be permanently divided in 2011,” the diplomat said.

“Withdrawal of the UN good offices after a failed peace process means that a non-negotiated partition becomes a real possibility and Turkey would likely push for wider recognition of the TRNC.”

“It will also threaten broader regional instability because it will mean Turkey and Greece have to spend more militarily on preserving the formal border across the island.”

November 7 2010

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/86ed1cd0-e...44feab49a.html

This month`s negotiations will be the last one and no one has any hope for a settlement. So, EU can have their rogue state of Greek only southern Cyprus but northern Cyprus will never be a Greek and/or EU territory. I wonder for how long EU officials will continue to claim that Greeks are the only authority in Cyrus and i wonder what will be the reaction of Greece to this?

It`s obvious that Turkey will push hard for the worldwide recognition of northern Cyprus after 2011 and i am sure EU will have no other choice than recognizing the 30 year old state of Turkish republic of northern Cyprus cuz if they don't, then Turkish Cypriots will always have an option for a referendum to unite the island with mainland Turkey.

[makedonche]

Onur
The Greek obstinancy knows no boundaries and is becomming more and more evident for the entire world to see. their own people confess to pulling away from negotiations when an agreement gets close?

"“It will also threaten broader regional instability because it will mean Turkey and Greece have to spend more militarily on preserving the formal border across the island.”

This will be interesting to see - where will Greece get more money for military funding from? I truly hope they continue with their stupidity and then borrow more money from EU and IMF for their military budgets, until the youth of Greece wake up and object to the current government mortgaging their futures!

[Onur]

If this month`s peace negotiations between Greek and Turkish Cypriot officials fails, the UK's former foreign secretary Jack Straw recommends British government to change their longstanding policy for Cyprus and accept that there are two different countries in there by recognizing the 28 year old Turkish state at the north side;

YouTube - Jack Straw says Cyprus should be partitioned

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[Big Bad Sven]

"greeks" are an amazing people, they literally break every rule in the book, offend the UN, EU, and the US and still manage to get away and get every one's support.

What a crazy world.

[Risto the Great]

"greeks" are an amazing people, they literally break every rule in the book, offend the UN, EU, and the US and still manage to get away and get every one's support.

What a crazy world.

"Macedonians" are an amazing people, they literally follow every rule in the book, worship the UN, EU, and the US and still manage to get no-one's support.

What a crazy world.




.... I edited your text.

[Big Bad Sven]

"Macedonians" are an amazing people, they literally follow every rule in the book, worship the UN, EU, and the US and still manage to get no-one's support.

What a crazy world.




.... I edited your text.

heh, its like we macedonians and griks are some sort of social "ying and yang", two opposites of the same fucked up balkan coin.....

[Onur]

Jack Straw: a tragic example of how elected ministers are captured by their officials

Jack Straw’s analysis of the Cyprus problem (invisible behind the Times paywall) is spot on. The two sides had been inching towards a “land-for-peace” deal, whereby Turkish Cypriots would surrender a chunk of territory in return for recognition as equal partners in a bizonal and bicommunal federation. Not that these things are ever simple: there were unresolved disputes about the rights of refugees, compensation, relations with Turkey and the balance of power between the national and the communal authortities. Still, both sides had an incentive to settle: Greek Cypriots wanted to return to their homes, Turkish Cypriots to end their international isolation.

Then, just as it seemed that a deal was within reach, in blundered the EU. In defiance of common sense, equity and, for that matter, the 1960 accords which form the basis of the Cyprus constitution (and which prohibit “political or economic union with any state whatever” unless such a union is agreed by the three guarantor powers: Greece, Turkey and the United Kingdom), Brussels decided to allow the Greek Cypriot administration to join the EU on behalf of the whole island.

Had the EU made membership contingent on an internal settlement, such a settlement might well have been reached. Instead, Euro-negotiators stupidly accepted a unilateral Greek Cypriot application, and deferred the question of reunification. This, of course, removed from Greek Cypriots any pressure to reach a deal. They had got what they wanted: while they would be recognised as the legitimate government of the entire territory, their Turkish Cypriot neighbours would continue to be subject to international embargo.

Unsurprisingly, then, when the deal was eventually put to the two populations, Turkish Cypriots – including those in the areas that were to be ceded – voted to accept it, while Greek Cypriots rejected it. EU negotiators complained that they had been betrayed by Greek Cypriot leaders, but no sanctions followed. On the contrary, Northern Cyprus continued to be blockaded, despite having done what was asked of it, while Southern Cyprus enjoyed lavish Euro-subsidies, despite having voted “No”.

Jack Straw is, as I say, correct about all this. So why did he do nothing about it at the time? All the errors took place on his watch. As the British Foreign Secretary, representing one of the guarantor powers, he wasn’t simply one among 15 EU foreign ministers: it was his particular responsibility to ensure fair treatment for both communities and compliance with the 1960 constitution.


I know Jack Straw a bit: he’s a decent and honest man who is in politics for all the right reasons. Yet it was striking to see how quickly the FCO got its claws into him. Having begun his career at Barbara Castle’s side, and organised the “No” campaign in 1975, he soon became one of the most vocal Euro-integrationists in the Blair government. Now that he’s out again, of course, he may return to his democratic roots. Let’s hope so.

I’m afraid it all goes to prove Hannan’s First Law: no party is ever Euro-sceptic while in office.

November 8th, 2010

Daniel Hannan -
Daniel Hannan is a writer and journalist, and has been Conservative MEP for South East England since 1999. He speaks French and Spanish and loves Europe, but believes that the European Union is making its constituent nations poorer, less democratic and less free.

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/danielhannan/100062774/jack-straw-a-tragic-example-of-how-elected-ministers-are-captured-by-their-officials/

[Onur]

Former US ambassador of Greece in 1995, Mr Thomas Niles sent a letter to "Financial Times" in response to one of their article and he summarizes the events and explains what has happened between Greece, EU, Cyprus and Turkey;

EU threw away leverage on Cyprus issue by giving in to Greek blackmail

November 16 2010

Sir, With reference to your article “UN talks are ‘last chance for solution’ on Cyprus” (November 8): I believe it is time to recognise that the last chance was probably lost when the European Union agreed to admit Cyprus in 2004.

When I was serving as US ambassador to Greece in 1995, we worked with the French EU presidency to devise a formula under which Cyprus would be added to the list of potential members of the EU, the financial protocol for EU aid to Turkey, which had been blocked for 14 years by Greece, would be released, and talks on Turkey’s EU membership, originally promised for 1981, would begin. It was understood at the time that Cyprus’ admission to the EU would come only after a settlement had been reached. In other words, the EU would admit a Cyprus settlement, not the Cyprus problem.

In fact, in 2004 the EU allowed itself to be blackmailed by Greece, which threatened to block the admission of the Baltic states, Poland, Hungary, the Czech Republic, Slovakia, Slovenia and Malta, unless Cyprus was admitted too. In giving in to this blackmail, the EU effectively threw away its leverage and ensured that a Cyprus settlement would probably never be reached. It also, in effect, rewarded the Papadopoulos government for having killed the Annan Plan, which was the best hope for a solution to the Cyprus problem.

Thomas Niles,

Scarsdale, NY, US

https://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/2ec4190a-...44feab49a.html

Just for the info; Turkey and EU signed an agreement in 1960s and EU promised to accept Turkey to the EU as late as 1981 but they didn't keep their word and they took Greece in 1981 instead of Turkey and our journey of vetoes and blackmails begun. US ambassador mentions about that agreement for 1981.


The recent comments of UK's former foreign secretary Jack Straw and British MEP Daniel Hannan(i linked above here) and now former ambassador of Greece Thomas Niles are quite similar and parallel to my message dated 07-20-2010 in this forum as a response to JohnMKD about Cyprus problem;

Unfortunately i don't think any form of reunification is possible anymore. The last chance for it was the Annan plan of the UN. You know over %70 of Turkish Cypriots voted "YES" for the island`s unification and accepted the UN`s plan at 2004 but %75 of Greek Cypriots voted "NO" because UN plan was giving equal rights to both Greeks and the Turks in the island.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Annan_plan

I know that the idea of "Enosis" never disappeared in the island. Greeks are still dreaming about it with the EU`s support. Therefore, they never accept anything besides current situation as long as EU supports them. It was the EU already who blew up the years of negotiations in the UN. Maybe Greek Cypriots was going to vote "YES" for the united Cyprus as well but few weeks b4 the referendum, EU officials sent a message to the Cyprus that they will gladly accept Cyprus as an EU member even if they vote "NO" in the referendum but they also said that Turkey will never be a member unless she recognizes Greek only Cyprus(the double-standarts of EU for the 1000th time). So, Greek Cypriots changed their minds about it and voted "NO".


Yes John, even if Turkish Cypriots accepted the UN plan, Greek and EU embargo still intact vs them. It`s totally unfair. When we negotiated the peace plan, EU said that if Turkish Cypriots accepts the UN plan, they will be EU citizens too and the embargoes will be over but none of these have been realized so far. They simply lied to us and all the embargoes and restrictions for Turkish Cypriots are still intact today. You can understand how unfair it is when you compare it with the current debate of embargo to the Iran. Turkish Cypriots are under the embargo for 36 years already but they didn't produce nuclear bombs or they didn't threat anybody. It`s around 300.000 people already and they didn't do anything bad at all.

BUT I am optimistic about the recognition of Turkish Cypriots in the near future. I think both EU and Greek Cypriots will have no choice other than recognition of Turkish republic of northern Cyprus. I am not sure but we will see.

http://www.macedoniantruth.org/forum/newreply.php?do=newreply&p=64339

All the comments are similar with mine, not because i was so intelligent to do same analysis months before them, it`s just because; this was the simple and raw truth, nothing else.

[Risto the Great]

Thanks Onur

In fact, in 2004 the EU allowed itself to be blackmailed by Greece, which threatened to block the admission of the Baltic states, Poland, Hungary, the Czech Republic, Slovakia, Slovenia and Malta, unless Cyprus was admitted too. In giving in to this blackmail, the EU effectively threw away its leverage and ensured that a Cyprus settlement would probably never be reached. It also, in effect, rewarded the Papadopoulos government for having killed the Annan Plan, which was the best hope for a solution to the Cyprus problem.

Thomas Niles,

Wow! Here it is in a nutshell. The EU was and continues to be embarrassed by Greece. The EU agreed and is implicated, plain and simple.

[Bratot]

This is unbeliavble!

They are allowed to do whatever they want, what the f..k we look into a "Union" with such blackmailers and thiefts.

[Onur]

This is unbeliavble!

Yes it is Bratot but thats the truth. The worst thing is, not a single EU politician speaks the truth while they are in the office, just like Daniel Hannan says. Mostly because of this, whenever you ask Cyprus problem to the public in EU, 95 out of 100 people accuses Turkey by being irreconcilable, stubborn, barbaric, criminal and bad and regards Greeks as innocent angels.

They are allowed to do whatever they want, what the f..k we look into a "Union" with such blackmailers and thiefts.

Thats why i post these messages about our EU journey here, just to show you that you might regret any compromise you make in the future by believing their promises and even if you become a candidate for the EU, big powers can block all financial funds and veto any chapter they want by using Greece or Greek Cyprus as a tool and/or as a cover.

[George S.]

Bratot & onur you guys are spot on the money.With friends like the eu & nato who needs enemies.Macedonia should think outside the square there is the bigger picture rather than join these crazy organizations & compromise on the name.
Onur we know that both countries macedonia & turkey are discriminated by the eu but what is it that turkey has to do do they have to compromise anything?

[Onur]

Dribs and drabs are coming from Wikileaks relating to Cyprus. There’s been some remarks by Chris Patten, formerly the EU’s External Relations Commissioner, made to a US official in Brussels, on 28 April 2004, shortly after Cyprus entered the EU having rejected the Annan plan. Patten was a senior Tory politician and government minister in the 1980s and 1990s and was, indeed, the last British governor of Hong Kong. He is currently the chancellor of Oxford University.

Wikileaks: Chris Patten says Cyprus ‘foisted’ on EU
Next Steps On Cyprus/Papadopolous’ Dubious Character...
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3. (C) The next steps for the Commission are figuring out how to spend money in Northern Cyprus. Patten expects the EC to open an office to oversee their assistance. While there will be legal hurdles to managing the process, he was confident the Commission would find a way. Patten doubted the Greek Cypriots would openly oppose any efforts, noting that they were “on their heels” diplomatically after their blatant efforts to stifle opposing views on the referendum. This incident, Patten said, was a sad reflection on the realities of EU enlargement: Some of the new members were people you would “only want to dine with if you have a very long spoon.” Not that the EU should have been surprised by Papadopolous’ behavior, Patten said, since they knew well who they were dealing with: Milosevic’s lawyer.XXXXXXXXXXXX ... And on


Turkey
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4. (C) Patten noted that he was the biggest proponent in the Commission for Turkey’s admission. In his view, based on the technical merits alone, the Commission has no other option but to give a positive avis to begin accession negotiations. Still, he said the political climate in Europe is not receptive to Turkey’s candidacy. The problem, in his view, was not Chirac in France, since “he can change his policies on a whim.” Patten considered the opposition of conservative parties in Germany and Spain the most serious obstacles to Turkish admission.


On the Difference Between a Union and an Alliance
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5. (C) Patten also said he felt at times the US does not fully appreciate the difference between expanding an alliance like NATO, and a Union like the EU. When a country joins an alliance, it becomes a distinct member of a group committed to a common cause -- but nothing more. When countries join the EU, they become part of the whole, formally and practically indistinct in many areas of EU competence. “We have to be ready to trust their food and sanitation standards, for instance.” In this regard, he noted that some of the accession countries were foisted on the EU as part of a larger bargain. Cyprus, for instance, probably should not have been admitted (as Papadapolous’ behavior prior to the referendum indicated), but the Greeks insisted on Cypriot admission as the price of agreeing to some of the northern European candidates. Croatia, Patten said, is probably far more prepared for EU membership than either Bulgaria or Romania, who will likely enter the Union earlier. Romania, in particular, was a “feral nation.” We noted that we were shocked by del Ponte’s clean bill of health on ICTY cooperation while Gotovina still was at large inside Croatia. Patten said he too was surprised by del Ponte’s letter, but once the referee had made the call, the EU was bound by her judgement.

http://cablegate.wikileaks.org/cable...SSELS1868.html

The next steps for the Commission are figuring out how to spend money in Northern Cyprus. Patten expects the EC to open an office to oversee their assistance. While there will be legal hurdles to managing the process, he was confident the Commission would find a way. Patten doubted the Greek Cypriots would openly oppose any efforts, noting that they were “on their heels” diplomatically after their blatant efforts to stifle opposing views on the referendum.

Chris Patton was wrong about this in 2004. Even after their refusal to UN peace plan for Cyprus, they objected to lifting embargo upon Turkish Cypriots and they have blocked all the EU funds going for the Turks in the island. So, not even a dime delivered to the Turks in island and Greek Cypriots got away from all the bullshit they have done and caused.

Ofc like i always believed and say, that was the decision of big guns in EU, little Cyprus cannot do this crap all by themselves without the approval of big guns.

Some of the new members were people you would “only want to dine with if you have a very long spoon.” Not that the EU should have been surprised by Papadopolous’ behavior, Patten said, since they knew well who they were dealing with: Milosevic’s lawyer.

Chris Patton is telling the truth again. Former Cypriot PM Papadopulos was one of the key members of EOKA terrorist organization and he was fiercely advocating and encouraging Greek Colonel`s fascist army to exterminate all the Turks in the island if Turkey interferes to their coup d`etat and tries to prevent their union with Greece. Ofc as a Greek Cypriot habit, he has been awarded with presidency in Cyprus for his commitment to the so-called Hellenic cause. He was also the voluntary lawyer of the Serbian butcher Milosevic as you can read here. Ofc this was no surprise again.

The thing is, literally NONE of the European politicians speaks like this to the public. They only have balls to speak the truths only behind closed doors like the case with Chris Patton here. Hopefully we have Wikileaks, so we can read these now.

[Onur]

David Hannay, special Representative of UN for Cyprus between 1996 and 2003 discusses Cyprus issue with the Greek and Turkish Cypriot guests, 17 November 2010;

YouTube - Riz Khan - Cyprus: Time for formal partition?


I wish the best of patience to the Turkish Cypriot representatives who speaks with Greeks in UN negotiations because I cant even stand hearing the same bullshit they say for 37+ years over and over again in this video. A Turkish Cypriot called with the phone from USA, and she reminded the incident she saw with her own eyes in Cyprus. She told that the Greek terrorists killed a woman and her three sons at the bus stop in front of her. Then she said that Turkey gone to the island to save whatever left from the Turkish community in the island. to the idiot Greek and he said "i prefer to answer to the British man instead of her"!!!. They are irritating, agitating and pestering me.

In the end, David Hannay couldn't stand either and strongly objected to the Greek Cypriot in this tv program and he recommends him to stop with this useless Greek agenda and get in to the facts.