Macedonians in Lažec threatening to leave the Village

[Phoenix]

3 traitors, not the end of the world. Now get over it and stop taking it so personally. There's a traitor from every city or village, its not just Bitola

So on the basis that you know 3 bitolchani "traitors" from the 30 Bitolchani that allegedly work for the "hundreds" of serb companies in Melbourne you've found it quite convenient to slur all Bitolchani...lol

[George S.]

if i remember correctlythat mosque is going to be located in the middle of the stretsello.The problem is the location.Anywhere but there is the cry.But with so many residents have gone all over the world there's no one left to do something about it.The zamija shit that's been going around for a number of years & it was only a matter of time not that i'm for it.I have lived in lazec when i was a boy for a number of years.In the 1960 s i remember it was a bustling village & over time because of mass migrations around the world it was slowly deserted.Some people came back others did not.So it's the old story of a village being taken over by the shiptars.It's hard to accept it but It's a sad fact of life.

[Risto the Great]

So on the basis that you know 3 bitolchani "traitors" from the 30 Bitolchani that allegedly work for the "hundreds" of serb companies in Melbourne you've found it quite convenient to slur all Bitolchani...lol

Come to think of it, all the Bitolcani on this forum are losers with a severe case of Lerin envy.

[Blagojce]

I think one of the reasons the Pelagonija plain seems to have to have so many patriots and the Macedonian dialect is often referred to as most correct, is due to their being less influence from our neighbours. Up north you had the serb influence on us, east the bulgarians, while down in Pelagonija, there wasnt much as after the athenians had partitioned Macedonia, it was pretty much just Macedonian.

I think what happened in Bitola doesnt show how 'tough' or patriotic the Bitolcani are. If 10 policemen from Strumica or Kavadarci had been ambushed, and there were siptari in either city, then im sure similar incidents would have occurred.

With Lazec, the Macedonian population has gone from 500 down to 120, while the siptari have gone from about a family or so to 80, and that was in less than about 50 years. In 2050, what will the numbers be? 60 Macedonians and 250 siptari, then what will happen?

it will turn into a battle of attrition, which the siptari have shown over time, they are like cockroaches.

[DirtyCodingHabitz]

So on the basis that you know 3 bitolchani "traitors" from the 30 Bitolchani that allegedly work for the "hundreds" of serb companies in Melbourne you've found it quite convenient to slur all Bitolchani...lol

I said not all of them are traitors, and I also apologized. Can't you read what I write?

It's not the end of the world, so get over it.

With Lazec, the Macedonian population has gone from 500 down to 120, while the siptari have gone from about a family or so to 80, and that was in less than about 50 years. In 2050, what will the numbers be? 60 Macedonians and 250 siptari, then what will happen?

it will turn into a battle of attrition, which the siptari have shown over time, they are like cockroaches.

Don't even bother thinking about 2050. If we join EU, we won't remain a country for another 15-20 years. Our population drops and the shiptars population grows, don't forget all the others that aren't Macedonian.

I just don't know how we are going to survive another war without EU and UN giving West-North to the shiptars.

[Daniel the Great]

Don't even bother thinking about 2050. If we join EU, we won't remain a country for another 15-20 years. Our population drops and the shiptars population grows, don't forget all the others that aren't Macedonian.

Where do you get your statistics from? What indications do you have of a decreasing Macedonian population and a increasing Albanian population? that is a stupid assumption to make.

Macedonia will always be a country.

[DirtyCodingHabitz]

Where do you get your statistics from? What indications do you have of a decreasing Macedonian population and a increasing Albanian population? that is a stupid assumption to make.

Well let me me ask you some questions. How many Makedonci are leaving to other countries every year? How many die? just how many get born?

More are dying instead of being born. There's no way Macedonian births can keep up with deaths and leavers.

Want to keep the country? be prepared for a war in 10 years if we join EU. Just wait when we start getting thousands of illegal immigrants, and even more Macedonians will be leaving.

I hope you realize that our police and army are full of shiptars, and when it comes to war, they will turn those weapons on us.

I kinda agree with the greek right-wing government on this one. They don't give citizenship to illegal immigrants that live in greece. greece says there's over 700,000 illegals, but its way higher because greece said that they get thousands of immigrants each day. I seen on YouTube, it was a documentary about immigrants in greece and Italy.

Do we really want to join EU and get thousands of immigrants like greece, Itally and the rest of the EU members? I hope Makedonija chooses the right future for the Macedonians or we will run out of luck.

[Daniel the Great]

Well let me me ask you some questions. How many Makedonci are leaving to other countries every year? How many die? just how many get born?

More are dying instead of being born. There's no way Macedonian births can keep up with deaths and leavers.

Want to keep the country? be prepared for a war in 10 years if we join EU. Just wait when we start getting thousands of illegal immigrants, and even more Macedonians will be leaving.

I hope you realize that our police and army are full of shiptars, and when it comes to war, they will turn those weapons on us.

I kinda agree with the greek right-wing government on this one. They don't give citizenship to illegal immigrants that live in greece. greece says there's over 700,000 illegals, but its way higher because greece said that they get thousands of immigrants each day. I seen on YouTube, it was a documentary about immigrants in greece and Italy.

Do we really want to join EU and get thousands of immigrants like greece, Itally and the rest of the EU members? I hope Makedonija chooses the right future for the Macedonians or we will run out of luck.

Here is Macedonia in the CIA world fact book:

https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/mk.html

Maybe you will get the information you need.

War in 10 years? again where do you get you information from?
What stops the illegal immigrants from coming into Macedonia now, why will they only when we join the EU?

No, most of us here at the MTO do not want Macedonia to join the EU.

[DirtyCodingHabitz]

Here is Macedonia in the CIA world fact book:

https://www.cia.gov/library/publicat...k/geos/mk.html

Maybe you will get the information you need.

So you still believe in the faked census? I wouldn't call it a factbook if it shows false census.
Macedonian 64.2%, Albanian 25.2%, Turkish 3.9%, Roma (Gypsy) 2.7%, Serb 1.8%, other 2.2% (2002 census)

Lets start calling Wikipedia a factbook as well since it has the most accurate information about Macedonia and Macedonians.

War in 10 years? again where do you get you information from?

I'm just saying. How long do you think we can live with shiptars without them starting another war for land and rights?

What stops the illegal immigrants from coming into Macedonia now

The government has the right to kick them out if they catch them.

why will they only when we join the EU?

EU won't allow us to kick them out under their laws. Its called discrimination if we kick them out.

No, most of us here at the MTO do not want Macedonia to join the EU.

Same . Makedonci in Makedonija (not all of them) think that they'll have more money and jobs if we join EU. They think that everything will be cheaper if we join EU and we'll become rich.

Someone needs to explain to every single Makedonec that it will be worse if we join EU. I know our country isn't the best when it comes to bills & jobs, but its still livable.

[Frank]

Albanian Population stats are the result of immigration not birth rates and the Disastrous Policy of the Macedonian State awarding citizenship rights to Kosovo Albanians on mass

If Macedonia becomes a EU member all the asylum seekers will be on que to get to Macedonia as a ticket elsewhere but then the big EU states will tell Skopje keep em

[Frank]

Same . Makedonci in Makedonija (not all of them) think that they'll have more money and jobs if we join EU.

No all Macedonians do that is the myth and sheer ignorance shown by Macedonians

[Bill77]

With Lazec, the Macedonian population has gone from 500 down to 120, while the siptari have gone from about a family or so to 80, and that was in less than about 50 years. In 2050, what will the numbers be? 60 Macedonians and 250 siptari, then what will happen?

it will turn into a battle of attrition, which the siptari have shown over time, they are like cockroaches.

I think the time has gone and never to return where mass exodus happened under Tito's Yugoslavia. Seriously, i have yet to meet a Macedonian that visits Australia and wish's to stay longer. They can't wait to get home. They hate our life style of work 5-6 days a week almost from dawn to dusk.

On the contrary to your statement, i think in the coming years, the Macedonian population will increase once the Aus Macedonians will be able to recieve their Aus pension overseas. Where as for the Albanian population, it must have started to decrease if you look at the latest reports on illegal imigration in neighbouring countries ever since they opened the borders. The Albanians can't wait to get the hell out of there more than the Macedonians is what i think.

Another thing, the census coming up will prove that there isn't 25% Albanians in Macedonia. I would predict it at 15-20%. Now, Macedonia always had a Albanian minority. My parents remember this back when they were children so its nothing new. So if they were a fairly large minority 70 years ago, and are still at 15-20%.......thats hardly a concern that they are catching up in population.

And why has the population in Lazec increased in the last 50 years? its not due to increase in birth rate. Its due to migration from the city centre to the outskirts, Village life. Where as us Macedonians are oposite, we move and live in the city and keep the village house as a weekender for the summer.

[DirtyCodingHabitz]

On the contrary to your statement, i think in the coming years, the Macedonian population will increase once the Aus Macedonians will be able to recieve their Aus pension overseas.

That's true. Also, don't forget Makedonci from Canada will be returning.

I have no idea if the pension for Macedonia has kicked in yet in Canada. Anyone got any info about the Canadian and Macedonian pension agreement?

[sf.]

How many seb companies are there in Australia, how many Macedonians in Australia work for these "serb companies"...of those Macedonians working for serb companies in Australia, how many are actually from Bitola...out of those Bitolchani that work for serb companies in Australia how many do you actually know that you could make such a stupid generalization as this...

Most Bitolchani that I know cant stand serbs...

Don't be so hard on the kid. Just the other day I was telling my Serbian brothers at the chetnik lodge in St Albans, that we need to do something to take over Prilep's pivofest. They suggested we need to organise this id travel card business first and create a new union with Serbia. Some suggested we give it a fancy name like Yugoslavia. Then we'll take care of Prilep.

Note: we're short on people for this year's Australian Tennis Open fights with the Cro's, and need volunteers. Bitolchani!?

[DirtyCodingHabitz]

Don't be so hard on the kid. Just the other day I was telling my Serbian brothers at the chetnik lodge in St Albans, that we need to do something to take over Prilep's pivofest.

Nooooo!!! not Pivo Fest :'(

Time for another uprising!