Financial Crisis in Greece

[Onur]

However if you think we get away with murder, you should visit France. They have a 35 hour workweek. And in Belgium you get 40 days paid annual vacation. There are many countries in Europe that have just as many if not more perks than Greece do.

French and Belgique people are able to do that cuz there are immigrants to do their dirty works in there. Also you cannot compare your tiny country with France. Thats one of the major problems of Greek people. You think yourself as something important in Europe but you are not. Greece is just a protectorate but France is leading the EU. Don't you watch the news? Look what is French people doing nowadays. They are trying to secure their profits in Libya and create a safe spot for their energy needs and i heard that they are using Crete and southern Cyprus as a base for the Libya operation. There wasn't even a negotiation for using the bases in Greece and Greek Cyprus, lol. Brits and French just came there and started bombing Libya from Greece and Cyprus Think about why they can do that and if Greece is a sovereign state or not. So, you wanna work lesser but be richer like them? Then go tell your government find an energy source in middle-east and colonize it like great powers does. If you cant do that, then you gotta work like rest of people in the world.

The only reason why we get the bad rap is because we have a beautiful climate and beaches. So everybody thinks all we do all day is have a frappe and sunbathe on a beach. Which is not entirely false However if the Dutch, Englishman had the same type of enviroment as we did. They would do the same, make no mistake about it.

Turkey has same climate and even better facilities than Greece but Turkish people does work. Yes, we are nowhere near like Germans or Chinese but we do work, much more than you Greeks.

I don't know much about Greece but from all the statistic it holds 3 times a better life standart than the Macedonians.

If Macedonia would get 120+ billion Euro free donations from EU funds, just like Greeks did, then Macedonia would be like Luxembourg today. Since German taxpayers wont pay for your Uzo&souvlaki anymore, now we will see what Greeks can do by their own from now on. Also, Macedonia might still be poorer than Greece but at least it`s a sovereign state. I don't know about you but i would prefer to be a poor but sovereign state rather than being a protectorate and just a base for great powers to use whenever they like.

[Voltron]

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French and Belgique people are able to do that cuz there are immigrants to do their dirty works in there. Also you cannot compare your tiny country with France. Thats one of the major problems of Greek people. You think yourself as something important in Europe but you are not. Greece is just a protectorate but France is leading the EU. Don't you watch the news? Look what is French people doing nowadays. They are trying to secure their profits in Libya and create a safe spot for their energy needs and i heard that they are using Crete and southern Cyprus as a base for the Libya operation. There wasn't even a negotiation for using the bases in Greece and Greek Cyprus, lol. Brits and French just came there and started bombing Libya from Greece and Cyprus Think about why they can do that and if Greece is a sovereign state or not. So, you wanna work lesser but be richer like them? Then go tell your government find an energy source in middle-east and colonize it like great powers does. If you cant do that, then you gotta work like rest of people in the world.

Onur, first off no comparison was made. I was pointing out that other European countries have similar and more relaxed working laws than Greece. Recently a study was made and it found Greeks as one of the harder working groups in Europe. Not the last.

Secondly, how on earth are we a protecterate ? Kosovo is a protecterate. We have been a thorn in the Anglo-Saxons side for years now. We never follow them on their adventures (Iraq, Afghanistan, Kosovo) and have always remained friendly even to nations that are not well liked in the west.

Third, regarding the bases for the Libya operations. Now this is espescially funny. Let me tell you why they are using our bases. NATO is goinig through a restructuring process including the upgrade of our facilites in Larissa and Souda. We are placing a strategic importance to our location in this operation. There are negotiations taking place and we know well what we are doing. Meanwhile Turkey was playing hard to get like a typical bazarr trader that it is for the operation against Libya. Turkey was stonewalling NATO for the past 3 days pissing off the French, Brits and Americans. Today they just made a 180 degree u-turn and will take part. Its espescially funny how you guys started to scramble once they started to use Greece as a major base for the operation. Pretty pathetic.

Regarding the French, of course they are flexing their muscles. Its there sphere of influence. They want to make that known to everyone.

[Imagination]

French and Belgique people are able to do that cuz there are immigrants to do their dirty works in there. Also you cannot compare your tiny country with France. Thats one of the major problems of Greek people. You think yourself as something important in Europe but you are not. Greece is just a protectorate but France is leading the EU. Don't you watch the news? Look what is French people doing nowadays. They are trying to secure their profits in Libya and create a safe spot for their energy needs and i heard that they are using Crete and southern Cyprus as a base for the Libya operation. There wasn't even a negotiation for using the bases in Greece and Greek Cyprus, lol. Brits and French just came there and started bombing Libya from Greece and Cyprus Think about why they can do that and if Greece is a sovereign state or not. So, you wanna work lesser but be richer like them? Then go tell your government find an energy source in middle-east and colonize it like great powers does. If you cant do that, then you gotta work like rest of people in the world.




Turkey has same climate and even better facilities than Greece but Turkish people does work. Yes, we are nowhere near like Germans or Chinese but we do work, much more than you Greeks.





If Macedonia would get 120+ billion Euro free donations from EU funds, just like Greeks did, then Macedonia would be like Luxembourg today. Since German taxpayers wont pay for your Uzo&souvlaki anymore, now we will see what Greeks can do by their own from now on. Also, Macedonia might still be poorer than Greece but at least it`s a sovereign state. I don't know about you but i would prefer to be a poor but sovereign state rather than being a protectorate and just a base for great powers to use whenever they like.

During the US war against Yugoslavia, Greece was the only country to refuse its airspace. If that's a protectorate I don't know what the world has become. Poor and sovereign states are : Zimbabwe, North Korea and Iran. And Iran isn't exactly poor, so its just Zimbabwe and North Korea. I prefer Zimbabwe. And about the debts : Ireland is no better, why not a special topic about Ireland too ? And who's Uzo&souvlaki ? And Greece is important. Its one of the world's most prefered places to visit and have a world famous culture. The first European cultural capital was Athens, then Thessaloniki, there's probably no smart person that hasn't heard of the Acropolis and Ancient Greek History is studied in every historic book. How could it not be important ?

[George S.]

The main thing is what gives the greeks the right to interfeere in everything.The greeks should be taught a lesson what gives them the right to determine the name of a sovereign country.A slap in the face for the citizens of macedonia.
Imagination you said you prefer zimbabwe & do you feel allright under mugabe's rule.

[Pelister]

The main thing is what gives the greeks the right to interfeere in everything.The greeks should be taught a lesson what gives them the right to determine the name of a sovereign country.A slap in the face for the citizens of macedonia.
Imagination you said you prefer zimbabwe & do you feel allright under mugabe's rule.

The Greeks have the right to interfere, and to meddle with our identity if they wish to. (Its not ethical, its not moral - but they have that right and are exercising it. A war of extermination is a war of extermination and they have every right to behave like pigs.)

The question I have is does Gruevski have the right to do the same? He is meddling with our identity sure, but does he have a 'right' to do so? Where does his right come from? No one, certainly not the Macedonian people, which begs the question what is the moron up to? Once again the Macedonian people are being skrewed over by politicians.

[Soldier of Macedon]

The first European cultural capital was Athens, then Thessaloniki........

More clownery from this Hellenophile Bulgar. Would you like to define what 'first European cultural capital' actually means?

[Risto the Great]

More clownery from this Hellenophile Bulgar. Would you like to define what 'first European cultural capital' actually means?

Greek 100% ... which makes me wonder what he used to be before that.

[Makedonetz]

Imagination and you belive the acropolis was from acient times correct?

Budala!

[Imagination]

More clownery from this Hellenophile Bulgar. Would you like to define what 'first European cultural capital' actually means?

Try Wikipedia ? And no I'm not sure if it's from ancient times it's just famous. And I'm not saying good things about Greece I'm saying that they are not in the crisis people here believe they are in. The country is broke, that doesn't mean the people.

[Ljubanec]

Try Wikipedia ? And no I'm not sure if it's from ancient times it's just famous. And I'm not saying good things about Greece I'm saying that they are not in the crisis people here believe they are in. The country is broke, that doesn't mean the people.

It doesn't mean it, but they are broke; Ethically, morally, and financially.
And if they are having difficult times right now they will come up with a plan to cheat someone so they can get ahead. They will continue to buy billions of dollars of fighter Jets from the French to get a Veto in NATO. The Greeks will continue to allow corruption with the Greek Families that control political power in Greece with the only solace being is that they could cheat the government as well. Let's face it Greece is winning! Winning a Pyrrhic Victory or Like Charlie Sheen.
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[Voltron]

It doesn't mean it, but they are broke; Ethically, morally, and financially.
And if they are having difficult times right now they will come up with a plan to cheat someone so they can get ahead. They will continue to buy billions of dollars of fighter Jets from the French to get a Veto in NATO. The Greeks will continue to allow corruption with the Greek Families that control political power in Greece with the only solace being is that they could cheat the government as well. Let's face it Greece is winning! Winning a Pyrrhic Victory or Like Charlie Sheen.

Its not just Greece that has this financial problem. Its a Global crisis and people should start to open up their eyes to see it. There are even protesters now in London that busted up the place a few days ago. Who would of thought this would happen in the UK. Only difference is that we are not totalitarian in handling protesters. You pull a stunt like that in the UK or US and your going to jail.

Whats ironic and somewhat amusing is busting the IMF reps at a club called Villa Mercedes. They went to see how Greeks spend their evening hours and recreational time. Needless to say they were speechless when they saw the place packed with people partying until the morning hours. The day I see this stop happening is the day I seriously know we are in big trouble. Thats not to say everything is rosy, its not and there are many ppl that are going through a hard time. But at least, its not to a point where most ppl stop living.

[George S.]

voltron the bottom line is how is greece going to pay for all that extravaganza.Partying if the germans find out i think they know it's just taking the money & running.Greece is deafaulting which means germany will have to take over your assets.What a joke people
retiring when they are 40 not wanting to work wanting the easyway life.Also everyman .woman is on the government payroll not wanting to work & stay at home.
Those sorts of ideas are going to hurt greece big time.The thing is a normal citizen would revolt & throw the govt out if they knew what's going on.

[Voltron]

Like I mentioned earlier George, see what wages and benefits government workers in France or Belgium get. Your talking about European socialism which is a good thing and God willing will stand strong against this onslaught Anglo-Saxon Capitalistic system of greed and money. They are even putting advertisents on youtube and internet sites. Nothing is safe anymore from Coorporations and the wealthy elite. Its a sickness that is spreading to every corner of the Earth.

Did we live it easy, sure we may have but I dont see why we have to work like 3rd world slaves to be seen as a productive group in society. They are taking advantage of weak labor laws of Malaysians, Thais, Indians, ect working 12 hours shifts with peanut salary and safety out the window. Even kids in sweatshops in Asia. Is this progress ? Is this the world we want to live in ?

Whoever says you cant live good and be productive has been brainwashed by the system. Work to live, Not live to work is the golden rule.

[Risto the Great]

Imagination and you belive the acropolis was from acient times correct?

Budala!

The acropolis outside my Greek neighbour's house might not have been from ancient times. But the one in Athens Makedonetz? Did aliens put it there a few years ago?

[Bill77]

And about the debts : Ireland is no better, why not a special topic about Ireland too ?

Because Ireland don't blow their money like Greeks do such as paying off media to spread Macedonia is Greek. Irish politicians don't blow their money on hookers (not that we know about) like Greek politicians do. Irish public aren't lazy like the Greek citizens so you can't blame them for not trying. Acording to you, Greece is one of the world's most prefered places to visit (which is bullshit) so they should be raking in the money. Where is the money?

And Greece is important. Its one of the world's most prefered places to visit

Bullshit.

Looking at this last decade, They can't make it in the top ten Tourist Destinations In World list.
Countries such as Turkey, Mexico even Ukraine are ahead of them. Take away there large diaspora, they would struggle to beat your preferred Zimbabwe.

there's probably no smart person that hasn't heard of the Acropolis and Ancient Greek History is studied in every historic book. How could it not be important ?

Ask these "Smart" people if they know What the Acropolis was used for prior to the west creation of Modern Greece. Ask them who inhabited this village called "Athens". You will realise they are not as smart as you think.