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[Sweet Sixteen]

Please provide sources because your statement above has no merit without back up.

One can find more about it in Wikipedia talk page (there are 3 or 4 sections about the Turkoglou controversy).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Evangelos_Venizelos

Unfortunately many of the links regarding Dragoumis are dead by now as 7 years have passed.

I would say the most useful link is this (Venizelos' blog from 2007).

http://evenizelos.blogspot.gr/2007/09/wikipedia.html

Regarding the Greek embargo and Pangalos' statements look at this

http://folders.skai.gr/main/theme?id=268&locale=el

between 21:00-23:00 (the whole documentary is very interesting)

[Sweet Sixteen]

Wikileaks or Wkipedia? It would be silly to sue Wikipedia if it appeared in Wikileaks. Can you get your facts right?

Wikipedia. The Wikileaks simply showed that an American Embassy report had incorporated, believed or reproduced this rumour.

Show me where he stated and subsequently retracted it. Can you?

See my post above

I don't even understand who you are talking about here or what you are trying to say. But definitely stupid of you to try and call some of your politicians as Macedonians in this context.

Yes. When Pangalos says "politicians from Macedonia" he didn't mean Kiro Gligorov, but mostly Greek MPs, advisers or influential figures from Greek Macedonia. Actually, when he says "I won't say who did it" the video shows Venizelos. (LOL, probably a coincidence)

Further, I bet you are not sweet sixteen. Your picture is much older than that.

No comment.

[VMRO]

One can find more about it in Wikipedia talk page (there are 3 or 4 sections about the Turkoglou controversy).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Evangelos_Venizelos

Unfortunately many of the links regarding Dragoumis are dead by now as 7 years have passed.

I would say the most useful link is this (Venizelos' blog from 2007).

http://evenizelos.blogspot.gr/2007/09/wikipedia.html

Regarding the Greek embargo and Pangalos' statements look at this

http://folders.skai.gr/main/theme?id=268&locale=el

between 21:00-23:00 (the whole documentary is very interesting)

After consulting with an Asian Minor scholar specialising in the names of Greek refugee families, Dragoumis has since retracted his original allegation and offered an apology to Venizelos. He now claims that "an ancestor of the Pasok politician - probably his grandfather ... came to Greece from Asia Minor bearing the name of Turkiozoglou (i.e. "son of a song-writer" as Turkin means song in Turkish) and changed it to Venizelos, a leader revered by refugees.

Sweet Sixteen, the statement above does not provide any definite answer, it merely states his last name was "Probably" Turkiozoglou.

I wonder how many others who came from Turkey had their surnames changed, all of them maybe?

[Vangelovski]

Greek Macedonia.

What's that?

[Dejan]

What's that?

You beat me to it. Please explain S16...

[Risto the Great]

What's that?

I assume he means the part of Macedonia that is now occupied by Greece. I don't really get offended by that terminology. It is when they try to pass it off solely as Macedonia that I get annoyed. It DOES need a descriptor (unlike the Republic) IMHO.

[Stojacanec]

Since a million people have been driven out and another million brought in to Aegean Macedonia in the past 100 years I don't expect the new inhabitants to have much of a clue of what Macedonia stands for.

[Vangelovski]

I assume he means the part of Macedonia that is now occupied by Greece. I don't really get offended by that terminology. It is when they try to pass it off solely as Macedonia that I get annoyed. It DOES need a descriptor (unlike the Republic) IMHO.

It offends me because it implies that there is such a thing as a Macedonia that is Greek. As far as I'm concerned the concept of 'Macedonia' and 'Greece' are completely separate and the term "Greek Macedonia" is a sort of oxymoron. For me, its also an insult to the Macedonians that were brutalised by Greece - not only were their lives taken, but now their memory and very existence have been misappropriated. The only acceptable references, for me, are 'Macedonian territory occupied by Greece, 'Aegean Macedonia' or 'Southern Macedonia'. Possibly some other combination as well, but nothing that implies that Macedonia, its people, history or culture are somehow Greek - which is what that term does. Its includes an ethnic Greek identifier.

[Risto the Great]

It offends me because it implies that there is such a thing as a Macedonia that is Greek.

I guess you have to define what you mean by "thing".
There is a part of Macedonia that is in Greece nowadays. There are bigger fish to fry. This coming from an Aegean Macedonian.

[Vangelovski]

I guess you have to define what you mean by "thing".
There is a part of Macedonia that is in Greece nowadays. There are bigger fish to fry. This coming from an Aegean Macedonian.

I kinda defined that later in my paragraph. Terminology that implies that Macedonia (its people, culture, history etc) has an ethnic Greek character is offensive to me. Obviously a part of Macedonia is under Greek occupation and there may be bigger fish to fry (depending on one's own viewpoint) but I don't think you need to be a Macedonian from Egej to have special insight into that just as you don't need to be a Macedonian originating from the republic to have any special insight into what's going on there

[Risto the Great]

I'd prefer a better way of saying it. But it is hard to dispute the term from a geographical perspective. I don't condone any other usage however.

[Sweet Sixteen]

Sweet Sixteen, the statement above does not provide any definite answer, it merely states his last name was "Probably" Turkiozoglou.
I wonder how many others who came from Turkey had their surnames changed, all of them maybe?

All of Dragoumis claims were shattered. Markos Dragoumis was a controversial aristocrat (yes, he comes from THE Dragoumis family). He might have been simply the first eponymous person that published or reproduced this rumor (back in 2007), so all the Venizelos rage concentrated against him. That’s all. It’s not fair that I called him the “culprit” before and I don’t think he was the “evil forger” himself.

The definite answer was provided by Venizelos himself, who said that his surname is original, his paternal line comes from Carystos where Army and Church files are preserved since 1830s and anyone can check them and come back to him.

And then there was silence.

So, I assume Venizelos speaks the truth, at least unless something new comes out.

[Soldier of Macedon]

When Pangalos says "politicians from Macedonia" he didn't mean Kiro Gligorov, but mostly Greek MPs, advisers or influential figures from Greek Macedonia. Actually, when he says "I won't say who did it" the video shows Venizelos.

Like I said, don't mislead readers with such terminology. It is deliberate and manipulative. Macedonian is Macedonian, Greek is Greek. Call a spade a spade or get lost.

I'd prefer a better way of saying it. But it is hard to dispute the term from a geographical perspective. I don't condone any other usage however.

It may be more accurate to say the Macedonian part of Greece as opposed to Greek Macedonia or the Greek part of Macedonia. But I guess it could also depend on how one would interpret each.

[Vangelovski]

I'd prefer a better way of saying it. But it is hard to dispute the term from a geographical perspective. I don't condone any other usage however.

Granted there is no good way of saying it - it is a catastrophic situation.

[DedoAleko]

Пред Велигден светна новиот крст во скопски Аеродром

Kрстот е висок 51 метар, и широк четири метри. Поставен е на постамент висок 5,5 метри. За потребите на верниците ќе има галерија на две нивоа. Околу него, пак, ќе има парк со зеленило, пешачки патеки и клупи.

http://www.skopjeinfo.mk/gradot/1822571382/svetna-noviot-krst-vo-skopski-aerodrom-foto