The Macedonian Minority in Bulgaria

[Bill77]

I'd like to thank you for the very quick reply. Here you go :
http://www.nsi.bg/Census/Ethnos.htm

Please....don't give us a list composed by Bulgaria and expect us to believe its fact. Its only worth wiping your arss with. They are your governmental bullshit stats, and it stinks as much as your Bullshit comment.

And about the Macedonians again : yes, there are many people originating from the Macedonian area, but not from Macedonian ethnicity.

So please, go and read about the history and the Bulgarian tactics towards these Macedonians that migrated to Bulgaria.

Although I'm not so sure about the Gagaus.And about the 30% part,

I can clarify any uncertainty you have. You are dead wrong just like your claim that the refugees migrating to Bulgaria were not Ethnic Macedonians. You have a lot to learn little boy, do a search around this forum and come back when you learn something.

sorry, I've lost the site. But here it says they're 25% http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albania...c_of_Macedonia

More toilet paper. Don't waist our time.

How would you comment about the Albanian expansion ?

I would if you give me decent evidence.

[julie]

optimist, the Pirin region has ethnic Macedonians, I suggest your Bulgarisation of the Macedonians that are there has not been very successful, and to be very careful of trying to discount our people there. You should be more concerned with your friend Turkey, and large percentage of Turks in Bulgaria, than continuing your pathetic attempts at exterminating Macedonians.
My maternal grandparents line of godparents live there. And I shall remind you, you are on the Macedonian Truth forum.

[George S.]

i read that article by 2050 the bulgarians are going to be all gypsies.Well short of ethnic cleansing the bulgarians have been caught oofguard or they just don't care.Other countries have different status for immigrants like they can only work they can't own property.Im not sure if bulgaria has anything in place to deal with the problem.

[optimist]

Really ?

I haven't heard about that and I've been to almost every city in Western Bulgaria - no Macedonian in sight. I appreciate that you love your country but you should accept some facts not just make them up or listen to politicians that brainwash you sometimes in order for you to re-elect them. I agree about the Albanians, but don't you agree that after the Second Balkan War many people from Macedonia fled to Bulgaria ? Why not flee to Serbia or Turkey ? And about the Macedonians again : yes, there are many people originating from the Macedonian area, but not from Macedonian ethnicity.

[DirtyCodingHabitz]

Here you go :
http://www.nsi.bg/Census/Ethnos.htm

100% B.S. You really believe in that? 5,071 Macedonians?

Maybe you didn't hear what happened when Macedonians won majority in many many many cities in our region in bulgaria. Their parties were shut down and reduced to non existent minorities.

But here it says they're 25% http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albania...c_of_Macedonia
How would you comment about the Albanian expansion ?

Those are not facts, that's a rigged census. They aren't even 17% in Macedonia.

[optimist]

Statistics

I'd like to thank you for the very quick reply. Here you go :

http://www.nsi.bg/Census/Ethnos.htm

Although I'm not so sure about the Gagaus.And about the 30% part, sorry, I've lost the site. But here it says they're 25% http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albania...c_of_Macedonia
How would you comment about the Albanian expansion ?

[fyrOM]

Really???? since when has Bulgaria woken up to the truth?

You are an optimist.

Optimist…Pessimist…it really depends on which side of the fence you sit on.

[Bill77]

And Bulgarians are real Bulgarians, the Gagaus, Macedonians and etc. are regarded as seporate ethnic groups

Really???? since when has Bulgaria woken up to the truth?

I'd also be worried not about Bulgaria, but about Macedonia , which has 30% Albanians who are growing in numbers every year....

Again.....Really????? where did you get your stats from??????

You are an optimist.

[optimist]

I'm not so sure

The "professors" that made the scientific research aren't actually demographic professors, but professors from political parties. One of the scientists was the vice-president of a nationalist party I think. Also, the gypsies are 370 000 since the beggining of 2001 and they don't have that much babies as before. Also, real professors on demography are saying that it's a lie and that it's impossible to happen. And Bulgarians are real Bulgarians, the Gagaus, Macedonians and etc. are regarded as seporate ethnic groups, no way we're 5 million. I'd also be worried not about Bulgaria, but about Macedonia , which has 30% Albanians who are growing in numbers every year....

[Onur]

Btw, another interesting point about the Turks in Bulgaria;

IMHO, as much as they wanna prepare another exodus for the Turks in Bulgaria cuz the population of Turkish people in there reached to a million again, they cant do that easily anymore.

Because, according to latest announcement from World Bank, Bulgaria is one of Europe's biggest recipients of remittances and these remittances from migrant workers are a lifeline to large sections of the Bulgarian economy.

Guess where is that money come from? Ofc Turkey because at least 1-2 person from every Turkish family in Bulgaria, lives and works in Turkey and some of them works in Germany and because of the ridiculously low pension rates in Bulgaria, all these people sends money to Bulgarian banks to contribute their family members who remained in there.

Check this out;

Bulgarians Living Abroad to Send Home USD 1.6 billion in 2010
Bulgaria remains one of Europe's biggest recipients of remittances in 2010, according to the latest "Migration and Remittances Factbook" by the World Bank.

Based on the country rankings shown in the report, remittances to Bulgaria are estimated to reach nearly USD 1.6 billion for the entire 2010, staying more or less flat over the previous year, when migrants sent home remittances to the order of an estimated 5.3% of GDP.

Remittances from migrant workers are a lifeline to large sections of the Bulgarian economy, particularly the retail trade and the housing market.

The biggest Bulgarian communities are based in Spain, Germany, Greece, Italy, Romania and Turkey.

http://www.novinite.com/view_news.php?id=122021

EMIGRATION, 2010
■■Stock of emigrants: 1,200.6 thousands
■■Stock of emigrants as percentage of population: 16.0%
■■Top destination countries: Turkey, Spain, Germany, Greece, Italy, Moldova, the United Kingdom, the United States, Romania, Canada

SKILLED EMIGRATION, 2000
■■ Emigration rate of tertiary-educated population: 6.6%
■■ Emigration of physicians: 814 or 2.9% of physicians trained in the country

IMMIGRATION, 2010
■■Stock of immigrants: 107.2 thousands
■■Stock of immigrants as percentage of population: 1.4%
■■ Females as percentage of immigrants: 57.9%
■■Refugees as percentage of immigrants: 4.4%
■■Top source country: Turkey

http://siteresources.worldbank.org/I...6/Bulgaria.pdf

As you can see, top destination for both emigrants and immigrants are Turkey. Actually, no one in Turkey immigrates in to Bulgaria. These immigrants are the ones who expelled to Turkey in 1989 and they are citizen of Turkey now because these ~350.000 people has been disqualified from Bulgaria citizenship by Bulgar authorities and they are formally counted as immigrants if they go to their family in Bulgaria.


So, if Bulgars expels Turks again, then they wont be able to get any money from the Turkish people outside Bulgaria(mainly from Turkey) and this can seriously damage their already poor economy. For example, my brother`s mother in law in Bulgaria gets about 100$ as a retired pension and my brother`s wife and her brother sends them about 400-500$ from Turkey to their bank account in Bulgaria every month. This is the case with nearly all the one million Bulgaria citizen Turks.

I know some Bulgars, especially fascist clowns like VMRO-BG and ATAKA wanna set up another exodus for the Turks in Bulgaria but even in the exodus of 1989, it was them who lost qualified people because i know that there are many 1989 immigrants from Bulgaria working in Turkish universities today and they studied with strict communist education and they are still hard workers here and they contribute Turkey`s development. So, if Bulgars do that again, this time their loss would be much bigger than 1989.

[fyrOM]

Haha. The Bulgarians are already gypsies. A country just for gypsies as suggested as an alterior motive would not work because the country has limited resources and could only sustain leaching off it for a limited time so they would need to go to the west to find another teat to suckle from. Unless ofcourse the west realising this would rather keep funding their welfare so long as they just stay away.

[Onur]

I had no idea there were over a million ethnic Turks in Bulgaria, a few more million of each and Bulgaria will be in serious trouble.

There was about one million Turks in Bulgaria 100 years ago too but Bulgarians always managed to keep the number of Turks below one million by doing ethnic cleansing in every 30-40 years of periods.

About 500.000 people immigrated to Turkey from Bulgaria in Balkan wars, then about same number of people immigrated into western Europe and Turkey to escape from communist regime after few decades and finally, they`ve forcefully expelled about 350.000 of them in 1989. They expelled the ones who didn't obey their assimilation attempts. After the expulsion, they changed the names of remaining 400.000 Turks with slavic names in an overnight.

So, Bulgarians always concentrated on keeping the number of Turks low in their country but it looks like they forgot the Gypsies

Don't forget that they count Macedonians as ethnic bulgarians. They could be counting other minorities as ethnic bulgarians so they have bigger number in the statistics.

You are right. That number, five million Bulgarians includes Gagauz Turks, Pomaks, Macedonians and other non-Bulgar people too. So we can surely say that the Bulgars are no more than four million in Bulgaria and these people are mostly elders.



Btw, their demographic catastrophe was the reason of their sale of BG passports to Macedonians and Gagauz in Moldavia. They think that they can improve the rate of Bulgars by inviting 1000s of Macedonians and Gagauz to Bulgaria but i think this wont help them either cuz these people just see BG passport as a step to go western Europe and they wont stay in Bulgaria either, just like the most of young Bulgarians.

So, they are in deep trouble.

[MKPrilep]

vo pravo si DirtyCodingHabitz
iskreno neznam zosto tolku mnogu se raduvate
oti za steta kaj nas ne e poarno
samo albancite i ciganite dobivat deca
nasite maksilmano 1 do 2, ako se odlucat da dobivat
a tie do 5 sekako
nikogas nema da gi stasame

[DirtyCodingHabitz]

If there are currently 5 million ethnic Bulgarians in Bulgaria

Don't forget that they count Macedonians as ethnic bulgarians. They could be counting other minorities as ethnic bulgarians so they have bigger number in the statistics.

I find it extremely hard to believe that there will only be around 800,000 left in 40 years time.

Thousands and thousands of bulgarians are leaving the country just like Macedonians are leaving Macedonia. Macedonia will become shiptar majority by 2050 because their birth rate is a lot higher and they pay/brainwash other minorities to identify themselves as ethnic albanians.

So don't get your hopes up and think that we are gonna get Pirin back. First you need to think how are we going to survive the "greater albania propaganda" and the next war to keep our country and deport shiptars that think about doing bad stuff to Macedonia and Macedonians.

[George S.]

well every dog will have his day.