The Macedonian Minority in Bulgaria

[Risto the Great]

I like Bulgarians, they remind me of something like Asian Macedonians.
I can only wonder what they would look like today had it not been for the Macedonian migrations over 100 years ago. If half of Sofia was comprised of Macedonians as well as pretty much all of Pirin, we soon see what is good or familiar about Bulgaria.

[Onur]

Although I'm not so sure about the Gagaus.

You are not sure cuz your country considers them as Bulgars in censuses even tough their mothertongue is Turkish for 1000 years like other Gagauzes in Moldova, Greece, Macedonia etc. I`ve even read that your recently kicked out diaspora minister said that Gagauz people are true Bulgars!!! Well, if he was talking about the real Bulgars who spoke Turkic, just like the true Bulgars from Volga region, he is absolutely right but if he is talking about current fake Bulgars of Sofia then NO, cuz fake Bulgars doesn't speak Turkish but they speak a language formed and standardized by Russians after 1878 AD.

Does your History have any admittance worldwide?There is no proof of that anywhere as much as in Macedonia about the Pirin region. Show me a statistic and proof and I'll believe it.

What you talk about is propaganda. Worldwide admittance or denial doesn't changes the truth. You cant make history with people`s admittance, you can only create propaganda with this way.

My grandparents was living in Petric b4 Balkan wars and they always told me that it was a city where Macedonians and Turks lives. They always told me that Bulgars was coming from northern side to work in the fields in short seasons but local christians was Macedonians only.

[DirtyCodingHabitz]

SoM, doesn't this guy remind of Mr. "greek" wikipedia? whatever his name was.

I see there's no use to try and talk.

We could say the same thing about you. Why are you leaving so fast? SoM asked you questions, and others posted documents. I was hoping you would stay and show us more of your "evidence" by answering people's questions and replying to posts.

[optimist]

Goodbye

I see there's no use to try and talk. You should look at the Ottoman ethnic maps and see if there's a Macedonian nationality there. And this map may be useful to clear you up about that http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Bu...orBozhinov.png

[Soldier of Macedon]

I haven't heard about that and I've been to almost every city in Western Bulgaria - no Macedonian in sight.

Perhaps you should try opening your eyes in addition to your mind.

I appreciate that you love your country but you should accept some facts not just make them up or listen to politicians that brainwash you sometimes in order for you to re-elect them.

I would appreciate it if a resentful Bulgar like yourself wouldn't insinuate that Macedonians are brainwashed, as we are fully aware of our own history. It is you that has been brainwashed with fairytales consisting of a conglomerate of horse-riding Khans, Slavonic teachers and Orpheus. Don't look too far from your own yard if you want to criticise, I can assure you there is plenty to discuss about the historical narratives plucked out of your country.

Does your History have any admittance worldwide ?

Does yours? What do you mean worldwide? Have you went to Tanzania to ask them for their admittance?

There is no proof of that anywhere as much as in Macedonia about the Pirin region. Show me a statistic and proof and I'll believe it.

Census' were carried out after WWII. Are you pretending not to be aware of these?

About Alexander the Great - its like saying that because Athens was a different country from Greece, nowadays Athenians are not Greeks, they're descendants of Athena.

An ignorant and irrelevant statement.

You may have some history but in every worldwide document you are regarded as a nation since the 19th century.

Another ignorant statement. We asserted ourselves as a nation in the 19th century like the rest of the Balkans including yourselves, but our history begins earlier than that period, and only a blind fool would say otherwise today after all of the information that has been revealed. Do yourself a favour a research the forum, and then challenge everything, one at a time.

And the BIG QUESTION : How come Macedonia doesn't allow research on the History of Macedonians ? Is there any shocking truth ?

Macedonia "doesn't allow" research? How does it stop others from researching? What are you babbling about?

By the way, welcome to the MTO, excellent entrance and introduction on your behalf, I hope you achieved your aim and the perception you expected.

[lavce pelagonski]

mizi majko da te lazam Optimist your words mean nothing here

[Bill77]

Some things never change

[julie]

optimist, enjoy your stay here, methinks it wont be a long one your sarcasm and racism wont be tolerated here.
You are dribbling your pathetic rants and raves, annexed a part of Macedonia and deny the basic human right to my people. You also denied entry to our dignitaries who afford yours the same priveleges a couple of months ago, and enforced a fascist regime on my people.

I suggest you take a little while to think about what you are writing, and stop denying us our ethnicity and our right to continue our existence, which has been ongoing for thousands of years, unlike your Turkish gypsy self

[optimist]

optimist, the Pirin region has ethnic Macedonians, I suggest your Bulgarisation of the Macedonians that are there has not been very successful, and to be very careful of trying to discount our people there. You should be more concerned with your friend Turkey, and large percentage of Turks in Bulgaria, than continuing your pathetic attempts at exterminating Macedonians.
My maternal grandparents line of godparents live there. And I shall remind you, you are on the Macedonian Truth forum.

You should be worried about your friends Albania and the large percentage of Albanians instead of talking silly things - the only one exterminating is Macedonia, who is exterminating the Bulgarians there.

[optimist]

Thats mabe because they are all at the football.

Hey optimist.....could you explain what the hell is going on here?



Where are the white Macedonia culture stealing Bulgarians ?

VIVA CSKA SOFIA

And where'd you get that from ? Show me the site and I'll explain. Or just look at Wikipedia and write down CSKA SOFIA fans and you'll see only whites. Gypsies love football.... and that's a photograph of the gypsy corner of the fans. Its a scratch compared to the white side. And who again is stealing your culture ? You can't cope with facts from scientists ( and I remind the 2050 things were not made from real scientists).

[optimist]

Uh ?

Does your History have any admittance worldwide ? I can say that Bulgaria created Rome, or that Bulgarians created China, if I'm a politician and make it a propaganda, what will you say to that ? There is no proof of that anywhere as much as in Macedonia about the Pirin region. Show me a statistic and proof and I'll believe it. About Alexander the Great - its like saying that because Athens was a different country from Greece, nowadays Athenians are not Greeks, they're descendants of Athena. You may have some history but in every worldwide document you are regarded as a nation since the 19th century. And the BIG QUESTION : How come Macedonia doesn't allow research on the History of Macedonians ? Is there any shocking truth ?

[Bill77]

Also, the gypsies are 370 000 since the beggining of 2001 and they don't have that much babies as before.

Thats mabe because they are all at the football.

Hey optimist.....could you explain what the hell is going on here?



Where are the white Macedonia culture stealing Bulgarians ?

VIVA CSKA SOFIA

[fyrOM]

I haven't heard about that and I've been to almost every city in Western Bulgaria - no Macedonian in sight. I appreciate that you love your country but you should accept some facts not just make them up or listen to politicians that brainwash you sometimes in order for you to re-elect them. I agree about the Albanians, but don't you agree that after the Second Balkan War many people from Macedonia fled to Bulgaria ? Why not flee to Serbia or Turkey ? And about the Macedonians again : yes, there are many people originating from the Macedonian area, but not from Macedonian ethnicity.

A man once went to Sofia and stood on a street corner intensely looking around.
A second man noticed him and asked the first what he was looking for.
The first man said People.
The second man looked around and could see a bustling city and confused he asked the first Are these not people.
No relied the first.
Ni svi bile lujge ni ke bidite.
Hopefully…Optimistically…you will be less than this sooner than 2050.

You moron I know Macedonians who were in Bulgaria for 70 years since the turn of last century and now in the USA who cannot be any more Bulgarian than I am.

Don’t waste our time being here with your dribble.

[Bill77]

Billy boy i've looked at those census figures & they seem to be crap they understate the macedonian ethnic census dramatically.Virtually hardly any macedonians live in bulgaria because of the doctored statistics.In other words they are bullshit figures.

I wander if they still give away free passports and citizenship to any Macedonian that want to become a Bulgarian? With the Gypsies taking over Bulgaria, desperate times calls for desperate measures. Anything to build up the white population.

[George S.]

Billy boy i've looked at those census figures & they seem to be crap they understate the macedonian ethnic census dramatically.Virtually hardly any macedonians live in bulgaria because of the doctored statistics.In other words they are bullshit figures.