These are the Macedonians, 1948!

[George S.]

well put daskale thats what we are macedonians.

[Daskalot]

You guys want to be called Macedonians, thats great.

We do not want to be called anything, we are the Macedonians. There are no other Macedonians in the world except us.

[Sputnik]

Voltron, you may consider yourself a libertarian. You can use your freedom of expression, It does not trouble me.

I'm just trying to be a realist. When it comes to Macedonian "we are what we are" regardless if we want to be one or not.


On a lighter side, check this clip out.

Realism- Its a Dog no matter how hard it tries to be human. lol

Dog Thinks its human... walks on back legs - YouTube

http://youtu.be/xw7z4-KyPnA

[Soldier of Macedon]

Granted SOM, but you just dont want to accept that the very fact of accepting that type of terminology from a political and not limited to standpoint would imply a seperation between Macedonians and Greeks.

Of course it would, because Macedonians and Greeks are seperate.

That is anathema, and it is just simply impossible to solve.

Anathema to Greece only. We don't care. We will continue being Macedonians in every single way while you keep complaining about what is possible and impossible. If it wasn't for our weakling government this would be a non-issue.

On the other thread of Mirskov, he says it clearly yet nobody noticed it.

What are you blabbering about now? Have you read all of his works rather than cherry-picking some quote without understanding the context? How many Greeks have noticed that nearly all of their 'heroes' from the 1820's were Albanians? How many Greeks know that their first Albanian president couldn't speak Greek? Look no further than your own closet if skeletons are what you seek.

[Voltron]

Irrespective if we like it or not, we are Macedonians. Period. It is your country that goes around telling other people who they are and are not. You're not as dumb as you're trying to act, so open your eyes and don't waste forum space with your garbage. If the racist country that you live in didn't go around telling other people who they are and are not, there would be no problem between Macedonians and Greeks. Always remember that. We can live our lives without worrying what the clowns in your country are doing, it is you who can't live your lives unless the Macedonians change their identity. 20 wasted years of poisoned relations because of your paranoid and misguided garbage.

Granted SOM, but you just dont want to accept that the very fact of accepting that type of terminology from a political and not limited to standpoint would imply a seperation between Macedonians and Greeks. That is anathema, and it is just simply impossible to solve. We have been over this, I wont try to promote or downplay any views here. I am just giving you an honest answer once again. On the other thread of Mirskov, he says it clearly yet nobody noticed it.

[Soldier of Macedon]

You guys want to be called Macedonians, thats great. But dont go telling other people who they are or are not.

Irrespective if we like it or not, we are Macedonians. Period. It is your country that goes around telling other people who they are and are not. You're not as dumb as you're trying to act, so open your eyes and don't waste forum space with your pathetic argument. If the racist country that you live in didn't go around telling other people who they are and are not, there would be no problem between Macedonians and Greeks. Always remember that. We can live our lives without worrying what the clowns in your country are doing, it is you who can't live your lives unless the Macedonians change their identity. 20 wasted years of poisoned relations because of your paranoid and misguided garbage.

[Voltron]

Sputnik, my views are my own. I consider myself a liberatarian and as a result I really dont mind how each individual self defines themselves. There are Greeks of course that dont feel the same. That said, there is a lot of political baggage concerning this subject and I cant understand how certain people are completely oblivious to this fact. You guys want to be called Macedonians, thats great. But dont go telling other people who they are or are not. Show some consistency.

[Sputnik]

Voltron; You are who you say you are. Who really cares after that.

Would this be some modern Greek philosophy?

"You are who you say you are".
No matter how hard you close your eyes, no matter that you say it, or how many times you say it, in reality, it doesn't make what you are.

When it comes to who is Macedonian, you can continue saying,
"We are who we say we are"

Where real Macedonians it is,
"we are who we are".

[Soldier of Macedon]

No, it's realistic where it concerns your garbage claims on Macedonian history.

[Voltron]

Our feelings are valid, yours are based on the garbage you've been fed.

Thats a very ethnocentrist statement SOM.

[Soldier of Macedon]

Our feelings are valid, yours are based on the garbage you've been fed.

[Voltron]

and the cessation of propoganda to the contrary, is this possible at all?

We feel exactly the same.

[George S.]

the problem of the greeks is they won't admit to anything.THey have been indoctrinated from little children is to fear the skopians for they are after their land & they have irrendist claims.But when one looks at the real history since 1913 on fe finds that the greeks are lying & hiding the truth.Who gave them the right under the pretext that it was liberating
macedonia.When they never set foot before.Also Macedonia was never part of greece ever.
So the greeks will never admit to anything because they are scared the truth will come out.

[makedonche]

If you dont mind me asking, What exactly are you looking for Daskale ? Acceptance of some sort ? It shouldnt matter what anybody else thinks. You are who you say you are. Who really cares after that.

Voltron
You are quite correct, "we are who we say we are", what we are looking for is acknowledgement of that on the international stage, and the cessation of propoganda to the contrary, is this possible at all?

[Voltron]

It has now gone 8 months and still no response from our Greek friends, wonder why?

If you dont mind me asking, What exactly are you looking for Daskale ? Acceptance of some sort ? It shouldnt matter what anybody else thinks. You are who you say you are. Who really cares after that.