Kalash / Hunza tribes & the Burushaski Language

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  • makedonche
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    Dedo Aleko
    Mnogou ubuvo!

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    Last edited by DedoAleko; 06-13-2013, 05:23 PM.

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  • Dimko-piperkata
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    Is Burushaski Indo-European?

    I try to shy away from linguistic controversies, and I doubt that the idea of the Indo-European origin of Burushaski will go down without a fight. The JIES is a little behind the times when it comes to online access, so I can't quite comment on the substantive part of Prof. Casule's theory.

    We'll have to wait to see how much of this is press release hype and how much is new evidence. This idea has been in circulation for a while, but if there is indeed an issue of JIES dedicated to it, it probably deserves our attention.

    Here is a paper critical of the thesis. Here is a seminar abstract by Prof. Casule with some more citations.

    Cracking the code on the origins of a new European language
    There is strong evidence to support the discovery of a new European language.

    Macquarie University historical linguistics researcher, Associate Professor Ilija Casule, discovered that the language, known as Burushaski, which is spoken by about 90,000 people who reside in a remote area of North West Pakistan, is Indo-European in origin, not Indo-Iranian.

    Professor Casule’s discovery, which has now been verified by a number of the world’s top linguists, has excited linguistics experts around the world. An entire issue of the eminent international linguistics journal The Journal of Indo-European Studies is devoted to a discussion of his findings later this month.

    More than 50 eminent linguists have tried over many years to determine the genetic relationship of Burushaski. But it was Casule’s painstaking research, based on a comprehensive grammatical, phonological, lexical and semantic analysis, which established that the Burushaski language is in fact an Indo-European language most likely descended from one of the ancient Balkan languages. Professor Casule believes that language is most probably ancient Phrygian.

    The Phrygians migrated from Macedonia to Anatolia (today part of Turkey) and were famous for their legendary kings who figure prominently in Greek mythology such as King Midas who turned whatever he touched into gold. They later migrated further east, reaching India. Indeed, according to ancient legends of the Burushashki people, they are descendants of Alexander the Great.

    Tracing the historical path of a language is no easy task. Professor Casule said he became interested in the origins of Burushaski more than 20 years ago.

    “People knew of its existence but its Indo-European affiliation was overlooked and it was not analysed correctly. It is considered a language isolate – not related to any other language in the world in much the same way that the Basque language is classified as a language isolate,” he said.

    The remoteness of the area that was independent until the early 1970s when it became part of Pakistan, ensured Burushaski retained certain grammatical and lexical features that led Professor Casule to conclude it is a North-Western Indo-European language, specifically of the Paleobalkanic language group and that it corresponds most closely with Phrygian.

    Dr Casule’s work is groundbreaking, not only because it has implications for all the Indo-European language groups, but also provides a new model for figuring out the origins of isolate languages – where they reside in the linguistic family tree and how they developed and blended with other languages to form a new language.
    I try to shy away from linguistic controversies, and I doubt that the idea of the Indo-European origin of Burushaski will go down without a...

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  • George S.
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    they should hold on to what they know for the beter otherwise they will succumb to other religions.They & only they can do it for themselves no one else.

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  • lavce pelagonski
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    Pakistan's ancient Kalash religious group disappearing as members convert to Islam

    Nestled among the valleys of Pakistan's mountainous northwest is a tiny religious community known as the Kalash. The hard-to-reach valley where the Kalash live has attracted tourists for years, mainly for the scenery and for the people who are indigenous to the area.

    The Kalash say that they are the descendants of Alexander the Great's Macedonian soldiers who passed through the area in 4 BCE. They practice polytheism — a belief in multiple deities — and have their own rituals. The Kalash traditions offer freedoms to women that are not common in Pakistan.

    For generations, the tribe and the country's Muslim majority have co-existed peacefully, but there are now concerns about the future of this ancient culture.

    "A lot of people are converting to Islam," Meetha Gul told Al Jazeera. She had left the village to pursue a higher education and then returned. "Religious scholars come here and tell people their lives will be better if they become Muslim. People need to tell their children that even if they go out and get an education or find a job, they need to preserve Kalash culture. If everyone converts, we will disappear."

    There are around 4,000 Kalash. While tourism has brought badly needed income to the impoverished area, Muslims from nearby Afghanistan have also been arriving at the valley in recent years, pushing their conservative interpretation of Islam.

    "We invite the Kalash to become Muslims," remarked Imam Maulama Jamroze, whose father had converted to Islam when Jamroze was a baby. "Islam is better for them. What use is their culture if they will burn in hell?"

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  • George S.
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    they are called the hunza people because of the valley is called the hunza valley.The correct name really is the kalash people.Also called the kaleshi in macedonian whivh means fair haired.

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  • Dimko-piperkata
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    Risto Popovski guest @ MAKEDONIUM - Hunza

    Risto Popovski guest @ MAKEDONIUM - Hunza - YouTube

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  • Dimko-piperkata
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    HUNZA ROYAL FAMILY guest @ MAKEDONIUM

    HUNZA ROYAL FAMILY guest @ MAKEDONIUM - YouTube

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  • George S.
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    i think the royal family is the one holding the tide back from westerm influnce.They seem to be the protectors of the people.
    We have the affirmation that we are macedonians.
    Last edited by George S.; 07-20-2012, 05:10 PM. Reason: ed

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  • Dimko-piperkata
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    ROYAL Family of HUNZA back to their ROOTS in Macedonia

    ROYAL Family of HUNZA back to their ROOTS in Macedonia - YouTube

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  • Dimko-piperkata
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    Marina - interview after her visit in HUNZA

    Marina - interview after her visit in HUNZA - YouTube

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  • George S.
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    well dp keep it coming as we all need to be aware that we have brothers in the hunza valley.

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  • Dimko-piperkata
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    other dokus about our macedonian brothers in hunza are in the pipe

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  • George S.
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    yes the people have the macedonian features.Modern day greek missionaries have tried to teach them that they are greek but they won't accept that ,they are only macedonian.

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  • Dimko-piperkata
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    Marina visits the Kaleshi & Hunzi - to the end of the world

    Marina visits the Kaleshi & Hunzi - to the end of the world - YouTube

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