i donīt think i spoke english enough in the last 10 years = i forgot a lot, so i will take any good advices about the title and typo-mistakes 
i guess you are familiar with some (or most) of the "cases" i will present now, but my idea is this topic to be a place where we gonna present books / articls / statements / interviews / publications / anything interesting from nowadays "greeks".
If several topic are already posted with some of the subject we gonna mention here, maybe the Admins move the old posts here?
here we go...
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have to see:
Croatian State TV Hr1:
GEORGIOS PAPADAKIS, novinar na TV Atina, dobi otkaz poradi simpatii kon Makedoncite
YouTube - GEORGIOS PAPADAKIS Grk, dobio otkaz na TV Atena zbog simpatija prema Makedoncima
i dont know if there is a subtitle...
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FOTIS KAPETOPOULOS - Lord Byron: A man of his time (a brief examination of Lord Byron’s real Greek love)
* = Greco is wrong term, more adecvate is Arvanite / Albanian
** = Germanos Karavangelis (the "greek" Bishop known about his involvment in the "greek" Genocide and Exodus in Makedonia) was close collaborator of th eTurkish authorities. Several times when the "greek" andarts were getting their ass kicked from our Heroes, the Turkish "Asker" (military) was helping them...
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Nikos Dimou: The agony and the ecstasy of being Greek
NO comment 
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Nikos Dimou - "The Misfortune of being Greek"
a Book published in 1975, puted on the list of Anti-Hellenic books -
demoNcraZy "greek" fascist speaking about being cradle of democracy - my comment
links to some book review with interesting posting of some Makedonians and some "greek" agents like that "Istor" idiot...
and video-interview
YouTube - Nicos Dimou on Greek nationalism - 1994
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Lenos Hristidis - Greeks are scum like all other (Grci su ološ kao i svi drugi)
interview on Serbian, english translation is very bad, but you will get the point.(and as i saw in between, it is already posted about this on the forum)
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Nikos Dimou - Dialoges - Diaspora
[quote]My guest was a French philosopher. He was talking about Greece. Not the beaches, but the essence. I was listening carefully. As usual, foreigners have interesting things to say. You see, they reflect about us - we only react.
- There are two Diaspora peoples in the world, the Jews and the Greeks, he said. The problem with you Greeks was that you always had a country.
No we didn't - I thought. During our Dark Ages, Greeks, decimated by barbarians and epidemics had actually vanished from the mainland. They had to be reimported later.
further...
* = their? (greek culture?) was the culture greek? ^^
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Takis Mihas - Book Author, reporter, publicist and etc...
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Thalia Dragonis
between the other things, she is saying that Macedonians have right to self-determination / identification, and all the other rights coming from that
my personal opinion about her work i will write when i read some of her books
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Leften Stavros Stavrianos - Canadian Historian with "greek" origin
(1913 - March 23, 2004)
i dont have the book so i hope TM will soon bring some interesting things about it
for now this recension
tnx bro
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more to come
p.s.
i have my strong reasons why i call nowadays citizens of the Republic of Macedoniaīs south neighbour "greeks", i hope it is not against the forum rulz, and i will explain my reasons in future
no intention to insult them...

i guess you are familiar with some (or most) of the "cases" i will present now, but my idea is this topic to be a place where we gonna present books / articls / statements / interviews / publications / anything interesting from nowadays "greeks".
If several topic are already posted with some of the subject we gonna mention here, maybe the Admins move the old posts here?
here we go...
---------------------------
have to see:
Croatian State TV Hr1:
GEORGIOS PAPADAKIS, novinar na TV Atina, dobi otkaz poradi simpatii kon Makedoncite
YouTube - GEORGIOS PAPADAKIS Grk, dobio otkaz na TV Atena zbog simpatija prema Makedoncima
i dont know if there is a subtitle...
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FOTIS KAPETOPOULOS - Lord Byron: A man of his time (a brief examination of Lord Byron’s real Greek love)
Scandal, debt and a search for sexual freedom, as much as Philhellene, inspired radical values, motivated Byron’s adventures in the Mediterranean.
Byron left England for fear of persecution over his bisexual life style, the scandalous affair with the married Lady Caroline Lamb and a mass of debts.
Louis Crompton in Byron and Greek Love: Homophobia in 19th Century England reveals correspondence from Byron’s Cambridge friends recommending the Mediterranean as a place for accessible homosexual experiences.
To modern Greeks, Byron is almost a mythological figure. Modern Greeks being a messy Greco*-Roman-Slavic-Turkic-Semitic lot emerging from the Ottoman Empire who with the leadership of people like Byron declared themselves Greek.
The forced westernisation, process which began in Ottoman Greece between 1821 and 1921, was more about creating Greeks rather than liberating them.
For the Ottomans religion was the main identifier and they let the Greek Orthodox Church** and feudal landlords do their job of keeping the peasants in their place.
Historian, Mark Mazower in his book The Balkans writes that when a Greek activist in the early 20th Century went to Ottoman Macedonia he could not find one peasant who would identify himself as Greek.
Ottoman Macedonians simply saw themselves as Christian, Muslim or Jewish
Byron left England for fear of persecution over his bisexual life style, the scandalous affair with the married Lady Caroline Lamb and a mass of debts.
Louis Crompton in Byron and Greek Love: Homophobia in 19th Century England reveals correspondence from Byron’s Cambridge friends recommending the Mediterranean as a place for accessible homosexual experiences.
To modern Greeks, Byron is almost a mythological figure. Modern Greeks being a messy Greco*-Roman-Slavic-Turkic-Semitic lot emerging from the Ottoman Empire who with the leadership of people like Byron declared themselves Greek.
The forced westernisation, process which began in Ottoman Greece between 1821 and 1921, was more about creating Greeks rather than liberating them.
For the Ottomans religion was the main identifier and they let the Greek Orthodox Church** and feudal landlords do their job of keeping the peasants in their place.
Historian, Mark Mazower in his book The Balkans writes that when a Greek activist in the early 20th Century went to Ottoman Macedonia he could not find one peasant who would identify himself as Greek.
Ottoman Macedonians simply saw themselves as Christian, Muslim or Jewish
** = Germanos Karavangelis (the "greek" Bishop known about his involvment in the "greek" Genocide and Exodus in Makedonia) was close collaborator of th eTurkish authorities. Several times when the "greek" andarts were getting their ass kicked from our Heroes, the Turkish "Asker" (military) was helping them...
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Nikos Dimou: The agony and the ecstasy of being Greek
A completely normal being (such as Star Trek's Mr Spock) would say that we're insane. In analysing our behaviour, Adler would have referred to an inferiority complex and our inherent need for compensation.
We view ourselves as the chosen people.
This clash between our inflated, mythical ego and the harsh everyday reality is a constant source of depression. We feel that we should receive special recognition and treatment and when we don't get it, we feel disappointed. We become insecure and have "underdog" feelings. We start believing in conspiracy theories and feel threatened. In our splendid isolation we remain a brotherless people living in a world of enemies. It is in this way that we become trapped in nationalistic solipsism. Our "national rights" become a source of irritation and nagging for an entire nation. Foreign policy is approached in an entirely emotional manner (they love us - or no? Are they philhellenes? Antihellenes?).
This clash between our inflated, mythical ego and the harsh everyday reality is a constant source of depression. We feel that we should receive special recognition and treatment and when we don't get it, we feel disappointed. We become insecure and have "underdog" feelings. We start believing in conspiracy theories and feel threatened. In our splendid isolation we remain a brotherless people living in a world of enemies. It is in this way that we become trapped in nationalistic solipsism. Our "national rights" become a source of irritation and nagging for an entire nation. Foreign policy is approached in an entirely emotional manner (they love us - or no? Are they philhellenes? Antihellenes?).

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Nikos Dimou - "The Misfortune of being Greek"
a Book published in 1975, puted on the list of Anti-Hellenic books -
demoNcraZy "greek" fascist speaking about being cradle of democracy - my comment

links to some book review with interesting posting of some Makedonians and some "greek" agents like that "Istor" idiot...
and video-interview
YouTube - Nicos Dimou on Greek nationalism - 1994
---------------------
Lenos Hristidis - Greeks are scum like all other (Grci su ološ kao i svi drugi)
interview on Serbian, english translation is very bad, but you will get the point.(and as i saw in between, it is already posted about this on the forum)
---------------------
Nikos Dimou - Dialoges - Diaspora
[quote]My guest was a French philosopher. He was talking about Greece. Not the beaches, but the essence. I was listening carefully. As usual, foreigners have interesting things to say. You see, they reflect about us - we only react.
- There are two Diaspora peoples in the world, the Jews and the Greeks, he said. The problem with you Greeks was that you always had a country.
No we didn't - I thought. During our Dark Ages, Greeks, decimated by barbarians and epidemics had actually vanished from the mainland. They had to be reimported later.
further...
- Well, I am not en expert in your culture - but let us take the names every Greek is proud of. Callas and Mitropoulos, Kazantzakis and Kavafis - why, every Greek who brought it to something, either lived abroad, or was recognized abroad. How many people had heard of Seferis in Greece, before he was awarded the Nobel prize? His last volume of verse had sold less than a hundred copies in seven years! Your greatest abstract painter was Spyropoulos. Foreigners honored him with the UNESCO and Herder prizes. He was shown at the Guggenheim, the Documenta, the Biennale. Greeks first heard about him when he died. You import your own culture - in the same way you re-imported your * ancient culture after the Turkish occupation.
------------
Takis Mihas - Book Author, reporter, publicist and etc...
---------------
Thalia Dragonis
between the other things, she is saying that Macedonians have right to self-determination / identification, and all the other rights coming from that
my personal opinion about her work i will write when i read some of her books
----------------
Leften Stavros Stavrianos - Canadian Historian with "greek" origin
(1913 - March 23, 2004)
i dont have the book so i hope TM will soon bring some interesting things about it

for now this recension
Stavrianos addresses in absorbing detail the conflicts that grew among the Balkan states in the mid- to late nineteenth century, and the interests of the European powers concerning them. These nineteenth century conflicts resulted in the Macedonian agony of the early twentieth century. Stavrianos reveals the public and secret terms of the treaties that led to the eventual territorial gains and human calamities faced by the participants in the Balkan Wars and the First World War, not the least of which was the collapse of the “Megali Idhea,” and the tragedy of Smyrna.
tnx bro

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more to come

p.s.
i have my strong reasons why i call nowadays citizens of the Republic of Macedoniaīs south neighbour "greeks", i hope it is not against the forum rulz, and i will explain my reasons in future

no intention to insult them...
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