Macedonia and the Macedonians during the Ottoman Era

[George S.]

its not a question but how can they grab their land??

[Nikolaj]

Why is the Macedonian existence in the Ottoman Empire still a question? This is all authentic documentation and we have so much of it.

[TRAVOLTA]

[Soldier of Macedon]

TM, I collated the text into one paragraph to make it easier to read. The source from King James corroborates the previous one well. Good research.

[TrueMacedonian]

Thanks Julie Have a look at this;




And here's some info on Müezzinzade Ali Pasha and what year he died - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M%C3%BCezzinzade_Ali_Pasha

A poem I found written King James I http://books.google.com/books?pg=PT8...donian&f=false


Yea euen the simple forceats fought With beggers boltes anew, 710 Wherewith full manie principall men They wounded sore and slew: Whill time a Christian with a sworde, Lets out a faithlefle breath, A Turke on him doth with a darte, Reuenge his fellowes death, Whill time a Turk with arrow doth, Shoot through a Christians arme, A Christian with a Pike dooth pearce The hand that did the harme: 720 Whill time a Christian Cannon killes A Turke with threatning sound, A Hagbut hittes the Cannoner, Who dead, falles to the ground: The beggers boltes by forceates casten, On all hands made to flie, law-bones and braines of kild and hurt, Who wisht (for paine) to die: The clinkes of swords, the rattle of Pikes, The whirre of arrowes light, 730 The howles of hurt, the Captaines cryes In vaine do what they might, . The cracks of Gallies broken and bruzd, Of Gunns the rumbling beire Resounded so, that though the Lord Had thundered none could heare: The Sea was vernistied red with blood, And fishes poysond all, As Iehova by Moses rod In Aegipt made befall. 740 This cruell fight continued thus Vncertaine all the while, For. Fortune oft on either side, Did frowne and after smile, It seem'd that Mars and Pallas both 780 Did thinke the day too short With bloodie practise thus to vse Their olde acquainted sport: For as the slaughter ay increast, So did the courage still, Of Martiall men whome losse of friends Enarm'd with eigre will, The more their number did decrease The more that they were harmd, The more with Mars then were they fild 790 With boldning spite inarm'd: Now vp now downe on either side, Now Christians seemd to winne, Now ouerthrowne, and now againe, They seemd but to beginne. My pen for pitie cannot write, My haire for horrour stands, To thinke how many Christians there Were kild by Pagane hands. O Lord throughout this Labyrinth 800 Make me the way to vew, And let thy holy three-folde Spreit Be my conducting clew: Our landing is not farre: Lo good victorious tidings comes To end this cruell warre. In All the time that thus they fought, The Spanish Prince was dipt With Ali-basha, whome to meet 810 The rest he had oreslipt: And euen as throughout both the Hosts, Dame Fortune varied still, So kythde she twixt those Champions two, Her fond inconstant will: For after that the Cartels foure Of Galleis both, with sound, And slaughter huge, their Bullets had In other made rebound, 820 And all the small Artillerie Consumde their shots below In killing men, or els to cut Some Cable strong or Towe: Yet victorie still vncertaine was, And Soldats neuer ceast (With interchange of Pikes and Darts.) To kill, or wound at least. In end, when they with blood abroad Had bought their meeting deare, 830 The victorie first on Spanish side Began for to appeare: For euen the Spanish Prince himselfe Did hazard at the last, Accompanied with boldest men Who followd on him fast, By force to winne the Turkquish decke, The which he did obtaine, And entered in their Galley syne But did not long remaine: 840 For Ali-basha proou'd so well, With his assisters braue, That backward faster then they came Their valiant foes they draue, That glad they were to skape themselues, And leaue behind anew Of valiant fellowes carcases, Whom thus their enemies slew. The Generall boldned then with spite, And vernisht redde with shame, 850 Did rather chuse to leese his life Then tine his spreading fame: And so of new encouraged His Souldiers true and bolde, As now for eigrenesse they burne Who earst were waxed colde: And thus they entred in againe More fiercelie then before, Whose rude assault could Ali then Resist not anie more, But fled vnto the forte at Stevin For last refuge of all, Abiding in a doubtsome feare The chance he did befall. A Macedonian souldier then Great honour for to win, Before the rest in earnest hope To Basha bold did riny And with a Cutlace sharpe and syne Did whip mee off his head, Who lackt not his reward of him That did the Nauie lead: The Generall syne caus'd fixe the head Vpon his Galley Mast. At sight whereof, the faithlesse Host Were all so sore agast, That all amasst gaue backe at once, But yet were staid againe, And neuer one at all did scape, But taken were or slaine Ochiali except, with three times ten Great Galleis of his owne, And many of the Knights of Malt Whome he had ouerthrowne: But if that he with his conuoy Had mist a safe retreat, No newes had Selym but by brute heard euer of this defeat. When thus the victorie was obteind, And thankes were giuen to God, 890 Twelue thousand Christians counted were Releeu'd from Turquish rod. O Spanish Prince whome of a glance And suddainlie away The cruell fates gaue to the world Not suffering thee to stay. With this the still night sad and blacke, The earth ouer shadowed then, Who Morphevs brought with her and rest To steale on beasts and men. 900 Bvt all this time was Venice Towne Reuoluing what euent Might some of this prepared fight, With doubtsome mindes and bent: They long'd, and yet they durst not long To heare the newes of all, They hoped good, they feard the euill, And kest what might befall: At last the joyfull tidings came, Which such a gladnes bred, 910 That Matrons graue, and Maids modest, The Market place bespred: Anone with chearefull countenance They dresse them in a ring, And thus the formest did begin Syne all the rest to sing.

[TrueMacedonian]

Some costume art I found: http://digitalgallery.nypl.org/nypld...2&e=r#_seemore




Image Title
: [Macedonian woman, 17th century.]
Original Source
: From Costumes anciens et modernes : habiti antichi e moderni di tutto il mondo. Firmin Didot, 1859-1860) Vecellio, Cesare (ca. 1521-1601), Author.

[George S.]

TM thanks for the detail.Great stuff.

[TrueMacedonian]

This book was written in 1683.

[TrueMacedonian]

(posted in the Macedonian Immigrants topic also)

[DirtyCodingHabitz]

This will come in handy if I start a battle with grci or tatarite on other forum

[TrueMacedonian]

[Makedonetz]

TrueMacedonian

Fantastic information love the books i have more to read

[TrueMacedonian]

[TrueMacedonian]

If my conjectures are right, the time appointed is the time of the Reformation. Our Reformers translated and circulated theholy scriptures, in spite of the mischief and lies of the king of the south. They performed another great service also: they were the means of restoring to us the only security that was ever given to man.
" The Lamb was slain before the foundation of the world ;" and where his blood was sprinkled, the destroying angel had no power. " Drink ye all of this," said our Saviour, when he gave the cup. But popery had denied the cup to the laity, and made an idol of the bread. The Church of England returned to the Catholic and Apostolic faith; and Mahometanism, the abomination that maketh desolate, began to lose that power, which had hitherto been the terror of Christendom. The arms of the king of the south were successful. The Mahometan came toward the south, but it was not as it had been before, neither as it is to be hereafter. The ships of Chittim, i. e. of the Goths , came against him, and his marine was ruined by the battle of Lepanto. " Therefore shall he be grieved, and return, and have indignation against the holy covenant. So shall he do; he shall even return and have intelligence with them that forsake the holy covenant." Very soon after the Mahometan had returned from Lepanto, he punished the Christians of Albania and Macedonia.

An inquiry into the truth of history pages 105-106

[TrueMacedonian]

BATTLE OF LEPANTO

But the loss of Cyprus and the massacre of the Venetian soldiers was nobly avenged in the great battle between the hostile fleets which took place in the Gulf of Lepanto, on the 7th October. The inactivity of the fleet in the war with Cyprus was chiefly owing to the non-fulfilment of terms made by Spain, but the victories of the Turks roused that nation to action, and in August they assembled at Messina one of the most powerful fleets that ever took part in a battle at sea. Spain and Venice had between them 200 galleys of large size, and 100 transports, and they carried 50,000 infantry and 4,500 horses. Don John, of Spain, was in command of one section, and the other was under the direction of Sebastiano Venierio. After cruising about the Gulf of Venice and the Mediterranean they entered the Archipelago, and on the 7th October the opposing armaments came in sight of each other in the Gulf of Lepanto. The Turks had a fleet of 200 ships, under Mahomed Siroco, Governor of Alexandria and King of Algiers, and the Capudan Ali. The appearance of the Turks gave the greatest pleasure to the Christian allies. They prepared for battle with alacrity, and as they neared each other the sounds of trumpets and of drums were heard from the Christian ships, while from every portion flags and banners were waving in the air. All the Christian slaves on board the combined fleets, who had been condemned to work at the oars for their crimes, were unchained, armed like their brethren, and exhorted to fight for the cause of Christ. The cannon on board the allied vessels was largely in excess of the number carried by the Turks, and the allied soldiers were armed with a greater number of guns than the Turks, whose chief weapons were bows of several kinds. Conspicuous above all the other ships in the fleet of the Turks was the vessel which bore the Capudan Ali. There was no ship afloat that could compare to it for the beauty of its dimensions and for the excellence of its furniture. The deck was made of walnut inlaid with different coloured woods, setting forth scenes of celebrated battles fought by the soldiers of his country. The cabin was decorated with rich hangings, wrought with gold thread and set with precious stones; in thelockers there was a large number of gold and silver vessels of great beauty and workmanship, while the apparel which Ali himself was accustomed to wear filled several cabins, and consisted of cloths of gold and silver adorned with jewels. On the prow of the vessel there was a silver staff, from the top of which floated the banner of the Sultan. In the encounter Don John and Ali sought out each other's vessels and engaged in deadly conflict. Three times the gallant Spaniard, seconded by his men, climbed into the Turkish ship, and drove the crew to take refuge round the mainmast, and three times were the Spaniards and the Venetians driven back again to their own vessels, leaving only dead on the deck of the ship behind them. Seeing the enormous superiority of the Turkish ship, two Venetian vessels bore down to the assistance of Don John, while, on the other hand, Ali summoned several vessels to his assistance, and the ships continued to fight for some time longer. In the course of the battle two Venetian captains, fighting side by side with Don John, were slain, and the Spanish commander was himself wounded slightly by an arrow, but nothing could avert the Christians from continuing their attacks. Ultimately a Macedonian soldier, serving on one of the Venetian ships, whose captain was slain, recognizing Ali on the deck of his vessel, took deliberate aim and fired a shot which struck the Turkish commander on the breast and killed him. The moment he fell his soldiers became dispirited, threw down their arms, and received quarter. The head of Ali was severed from his body and fixed on the point of his own mast, so that it could be seen by the whole fleet.

Stories of Venice and the Venetians By John B. Marsh pages 403-405.