Chentovist the Slav

[lavce pelagonski]

Can you explain your signature from the shiptar forum?

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Mar 15, 2013 at 9:55am
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Mar 14, 2013 at 11:57am professional said:
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Mar 14, 2013 at 10:18am Chentovist said:
agree, not sure how the f**k this happened too. my only guess is dirty politics and dangerous alliances in macedonian politics.

oh and btw, Admin can re-instate my senior mod status when he's ready.
"Today's Macedonians know who they are. They trace their name to the empire of Alexander the Great in the fourth century B.C. They trace their ethnicity to the Slavs...and their faith to the Byzantine Empire that brought them into the Eastern Orthodox Church."


Bravo Chento, good choice... I knew you'd one day come around. you have my support now X2 just don't f**k it up using Serbs... you Slavic brothers as a pawn to try to manipulate. The Serbs are your only friends you must realize this.... politically speaking of course ... in Balkan lol
batka, i have not come around. i've always been here, you just haven't seen it. defending the macedonian nation is a tricky business :P

"Today's Macedonians know who they are. They trace their name to the empire of Alexander the Great in the fourth century B.C. They trace their ethnicity to the Slavs...and their faith to the Byzantine Empire that brought them into the Eastern Orthodox Church."

National Geographic, March 1996

http://illyria.proboards.com/thread/36989/which-macedonians

[lavce pelagonski]

Oct 2, 2012 at 3:59pm *not* said:
I would vote yes, ONLY if Chento gets a more pro-Slavic, pro-Serb stance.


I am Slavic, unlike you... :P

[Pelagon]

Oct 2, 2012 at 3:59pm *not* said:
I would vote yes, ONLY if Chento gets a more pro-Slavic, pro-Serb stance.


I am Slavic, unlike you... :P

"Македонските Словени"
Еден од резултатите на кризата во Македонија е дека скоро сите светски медиуми почнаа да не викаат "македонски Словени", "етнички Словени" и слично, само не етнички Македонци. Многумина од нас напишале писма и се жалеле до разни медиуми, молејќи и укажувајќи дека ние сме Македонци и дека секакви други имиња се навредливи и грешни. И додека ние ги обвинуваме странците за антимакедонство, малкумина од нас се свесни дека всушност вината за сево ова лежи кај нас, кај многуте "славјани" во нашиот народ. Дури и на Интернет-страниците на Претседателот на РМ:

(http://www.president.gov.mk/mak/makedonija.htm) јасно се гледа дека ние самите се викаме "македонски Словени". Ако е така, зошто тогаш им се лутиме на странците?
http://www.makedonskosonce.com/broev...77/Tekst04.htm

MILA MAKEDONIJO - Vojo Stojanoski
Bog da gi bie i ubie predavnicite i dushmanite,
Bog da gi bie i ubie kodoshite i janicharite!
Mila Makedonijo, od niv stradash ti, od svoite izrodi makedonski,
mila Makedonijo, od niv stradash ti, od svoite izrodi makedonski!

So vekovi postoime, so vekovi se borime,
vera ne izgubivme, ime ne promenivme,
od Aleksandar i Samuil, do Goce Delchev i den deneshen,
od Aleksandar i Samuil, do Goce Delchev i den deneshen!

Bog da gi bie i ubie predavnicite i dushmanite,
ime shto sakaat da ni promenat, imeto nashe mnoguvekovno!
Mila Makedonijo, od niv stradash ti, od svoite izrodi makedonski,
mila Makedonijo, od niv stradash ti, od svoite izrodi makedonski!

Mila Makedonijo, od niv stradash ti, od svoite izrodi makedonski!

http://www.mkmuzika.com/lyrics/t/Mila_Makedonijo_-_Vojo.txt

[George S.]

Macedonians are no more slavic than anyone else.That includes greece,albania,turkey,bulgaria..Is there a slavic ethnicity?.I would rather be called macedonian.How about you lavce.??The pro serbs can call themselve shit for all i care.Slavic use was a propaganda smear campaign that has worked on those that have renounced their macedonian ship.Ready & willing to embrace their slavic so called roots.For shame.Why aren't other countries calling themselves slavic too.Yes the propaganda has worked well in macedonia.

[Gocka]

Wow, that's a shame. Another lost and confused soul.

[lavce pelagonski]

I can not call myself Slavic or feel Slavic because I am not. I can only feel Macedonian. I would not classify our language as Slavonic. Its like classifying German as Latino.

The fact that Ss. Kiril and Metodi created the Glagolitic alphabet and did missions to Greater Marovia and Russia should be an indication that with their mission they would have had a great influence. It is only fare to assume that many word were loaned to these peoples.

Also the Cyrillic alphabet is misleadingly termed Slavic. Peoples and nations that may feel Slavic have adopted it but that hardly makes it Slavic.

We can be influenced by other nations but we can not become them. Our influence was greatest at the time of the missions. It is fare to say that the tables were turned under Yugoslavia. Every Balkan country apart from Slovenia and Croatia still carry loan words and in some cases the actual word from the Turkish language.

It is when people like this who a gullible and fall in the Gligorov trap that undo that hard work the rest of us do.

Chentovist have fun with your Serb and shiptar friend. We now know how low you will go for a moderator position on the shiptar forum.

[chentovist]

I can not call myself Slavic or feel Slavic because I am not. I can only feel Macedonian. I would not classify our language as Slavonic. Its like classifying German as Latino.

The fact that Ss. Kiril and Metodi created the Glagolitic alphabet and did missions to Greater Marovia and Russia should be an indication that with their mission they would have had a great influence. It is only fare to assume that many word were loaned to these peoples.

Also the Cyrillic alphabet is misleadingly termed Slavic. Peoples and nations that may feel Slavic have adopted it but that hardly makes it Slavic.

We can be influenced by other nations but we can not become them. Our influence was greatest at the time of the missions. It is fare to say that the tables were turned under Yugoslavia. Every Balkan country apart from Slovenia and Croatia still carry loan words and in some cases the actual word from the Turkish language.

It is when people like this who a gullible and fall in the Gligorov trap that undo that hard work the rest of us do.

Chentovist have fun with your Serb and shiptar friend. We now know how low you will go for a moderator position on the shiptar forum.

Actually the German language is classified as Germanic, as is English, Dutch and others. The Macedonian language is classified as Slavic, along with Russian, Serbian, Ukrainian and others. Whether this is correct or not, I'll leave you guys to debate. However it is currently recognized as such by all academic circles.

I choose not to ignore my Slavic heritage. It was the Dragoviti and Brsjak tribes that settled in the Pelagonia region, where I'm from. There are many toponyms to attest to this - Dragoro river, villages Dragosh, Dragozhani etc etc. I also however do not ignore my pre-Slavic heritage such as the Pelagones tribes of ancient Macedonians who inhabited Pelagonia, and who the region is named after.

You should be more careful who you try to alienate from the Macedonian cause.

[lavce pelagonski]

I know that German is classified as Germanic I was trying to make a point.
So you are going to tell me that you are slavic, how about Turkish, we were under them for 500 years why no assimilation there. Plus you are going to take a supposed ethnicity "slavic" from "settlers", shouldnt it be the other way around.

Tell me how are you helping the Macedonian cause. YOu are blatantly calling yourself Slav Macedonian which is exactly hat the Greeks and the rest of devils wont.

[chentovist]

I know that German is classified as Germanic I was trying to make a point.
So you are going to tell me that you are slavic, how about Turkish, we were under them for 500 years why no assimilation there. Plus you are going to take a supposed ethnicity "slavic" from "settlers", shouldnt it be the other way around.

Tell me how are you helping the Macedonian cause. YOu are blatantly calling yourself Slav Macedonian which is exactly hat the Greeks and the rest of devils wont.

Our language is not Turkic, it is Slavic.

Who's calling themselves Macedonian Slav? I am an ethnic Macedonian and have always maintained this.

[momce]

You guys still havent argued what makes the language Macedonian other then to say its not slavic or greek or serbian. What makes it Macedonian? Does it have any relation to ancient Macedonian? If not then it has to be properly qualified for legitimate politics.

[George S.]

All languauges have had various influences be it slavic ,celtic ,roman latin etc.The macedonian has remained macedonian language & macedonian identity.It's only those who CHOOSE to call themselves SLAVIC.There is no foundation for this you are deluding yourselves.There is only maCEDONIAN NOT SLAV MACEDONIAN.Those that choose to call themselves do themselves no good to their cause & macedonian cause.We are simply playing into our enemies hands.We are no more SLAVIC than anyone else.So we should drop any references to SLAV alltogether.There is no need for it.

[Gocka]

MODS,

Momce is clearly not Macedonian, or his account has been hijacked, he is clearly being anti Macedonian and I think some measures need to be taken.

[Vangelovski]

You guys still havent argued what makes the language Macedonian other then to say its not slavic or greek or serbian. What makes it Macedonian? Does it have any relation to ancient Macedonian? If not then it has to be properly qualified for legitimate politics.

A language can be named whatever its users want it to be named.

What on earth is "proper qualification", who determines it and what on earth are "legitimate politics"?

Let me give you some advice, stay off the crack pipe before posting on this forum. You're heading for a holiday otherwise.

[chentovist]

All languauges have had various influences be it slavic ,celtic ,roman latin etc.The macedonian has remained macedonian language & macedonian identity.It's only those who CHOOSE to call themselves SLAVIC.There is no foundation for this you are deluding yourselves.There is only maCEDONIAN NOT SLAV MACEDONIAN.Those that choose to call themselves do themselves no good to their cause & macedonian cause.We are simply playing into our enemies hands.We are no more SLAVIC than anyone else.So we should drop any references to SLAV alltogether.There is no need for it.

Here's what Gruevski has said on the subject;

Macedonian PM: When there is judicious proposal for the name, a referendum will be held
19 January 2013 | 14:38 | FOCUS News Agency
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Skopje.

Macedonian Prime Minister Nikola Gruevski is explicit that “when there
is a judicious proposal for solution to the name issue, a referendum
will be held, because asking for a change of the name is directly
connected to the change of identity”.
Grievski’s statement was made in an interview with host Milenko Nedelkovski on Macedonian Kanal5 TV.
Gruevski remarked that in Macedonia there were Macedonians. The prime minister agreed that the meaning of the word Macedonians did not mean that the population was Slavic or that they were ancient Macedonians. In his words, they are “only Macedonians and the ethno-genesis of the nation derives from many civilisations and in many centuries back into the past”.
Nikola Gruevski said further that the “Macedonian language has roots in the Slavic languages and we do not deny this fact, we are proud of it”.

[momce]

[QUOTE=Vangelovski;141128]A language can be named whatever its users want it to be named.

A language is grouped according to its characteristics etc and similarity with other languages. How is Modern Macedonian grouped?