Moving To Bitola For 1-2 years to open a Cafe/disco?

[Phoenix]

...She can't get work over there and is treated like scum by most...

Probably a couple of things at play there...

1) In Macedonia it's not what you know, or how good you are at your job but rather who you know and what strings they can pull for you.
(there's an element of that even here in Oz but not to the extent of the rampant corruption and nepotism that is an integral part of the fabric of Macedonian society)

2) It probably doesn't help that she is considered a foreigner...you know how arrogant they are when it comes down to the so called 'stranci' thinking they know everything, when the belief is that only the Macedonian's know 'everything'...

It's these beliefs that will keep that place locked down in the dark-ages for many generations to come but unfortunately it's a culture that is set from the highest places in Macedonian society and those people won't change because they're too stupid to see beyond their self interest.

[Risto the Great]

A good friend's daughter just married a Bitolcanec. She can't get work over there and is treated like scum by most. In fact, every time she is in Australia she gets incredibly high paying jobs (given her lack of tertiary education) and always lands on her feet. Over there, she can't seem to do anything right. It probably doesn't help that she is attractive (unlike over here).

She learned quite a lot from living there. Basically everyone is corrupt. The government truly reflects the people! What a pity they haven't moved forward.

[Bill77]

Yeh i was once like this bloke. I had dreams of selling up and starting a new life in Macedonia. But it pays sometimes to be a naturally skeptical person, as i decided to try living there first for 1 year before making major decisions.

To make a long story short....... I bribed someone in Skopje with a large amount of cash
to get me and my family the fuck out of Macedonia after 3 months.

Bloody savages everywhere.

[Pelagonija]

Hehe what a trippy thread.. don’t doubt the blokes good intentions.. but opening a cafe in Bitola? FFS the locals would eat you to death..

I had lunch at an ostrich farm in Makedonski Brod once, the owner was an intelligent 70 yo maco Swede who’s family left the Balkans when he was three.. felt sorry for the bloke.. he had a dream to retire in mkd with his life savings.. some of the stories he told were shocking, from thieving chefs, to lazy staff and from the council screwing him out of his life savings in a methodical manner..

The place was kick ass, the bloke was an absolute champ with a heart of gold. He was confiding in me whilst my relos were accusing me of Being jelous as Yugoslavia was better than Australia back in in the day.

The only business that anyone should ever consider opening In fyrom is a cheap brothel.

[Bill77]

Bump


He never got back to us. I wonder how this Lion went. I hope not, but probably crying more than ever.

[George S.]

an investment analysis of where the income group is could be a good idea.Also a place where the tourist stays.You need to go & look for suitable premises.

[The Crying Lion*]

I was just in BT in Jan, the situation is dire in all aspects. The use of drugs is hire, and muggings are regularly reported on the news.

For a "stranec", it is important to protect yourself. People assume you keep more money and stealable items with you, and will rob you for this.

As far as opening a kafic in bitola, good luck. rent on the korzo is at least 3000 euros a month and only one stranec has managed to stay open (melbourne aussie), the locals just dont like supporting stranci.

After my trip in Jan, I wouldnt invest a cent in Bitola. It is a fucking dump full of wankers, sluts and users. The decent people left are far and few between and will keep to themselves.

Damn , that is a sad story indeed.
I have nothing more to say i am speechless my good energy is gone lol.

[Bij]

Can you sell and market 'fuck'...like giving a 'fuck' about something...?

Hahahahahahahaha - its funny cause its true.

[Bij]

I was just in BT in Jan, the situation is dire in all aspects. The use of drugs is hire, and muggings are regularly reported on the news.

For a "stranec", it is important to protect yourself. People assume you keep more money and stealable items with you, and will rob you for this.

As far as opening a kafic in bitola, good luck. rent on the korzo is at least 3000 euros a month and only one stranec has managed to stay open (melbourne aussie), the locals just dont like supporting stranci.

After my trip in Jan, I wouldnt invest a cent in Bitola. It is a fucking dump full of wankers, sluts and users. The decent people left are far and few between and will keep to themselves.

[Phoenix]

nice to connect with you phoenix, you are absolutely right about this issue being wide spread over many nationalities. My relative needs to stop listening to gossip, on how easy life is in Australia..

You mean you haven't got a money tree in the backyard?

[molika]

omg lol after reading all this i am even more depressed....

and yes i have been to bitola molika several years ago, but in macedonia one day its fine next day the terrorists is invading. My question was how is the security situation in bitola at the moment. Armed robberies, thieves, etc, corrupt police.

and what does doslaci means

thank you

doslaci means foreigners

do sh la chi.

i've never heard of armed robberies in bitola. As for corruption, if everyone is cheating, lying and smuggling then its not a crime. Everyone just turns a blind eye. Hear nothing see nothing...

[molika]

This is always an interesting discussion with many differing views and experiences.
It's been about 7 years since my last visit to Macedonia and at that time I thought the service in Bitola was miles ahead of what I experienced in places like Ohrid...
I had absolutely no issues with my relos but have heard many horror stories from others and their experiences.

The interesting thing about this is that it's not an isolated experience encountered by Macedonian's alone.
I've heard Croats complain about the same issues with their relatives and just last week I had a Turkish friend complain about similar issues of when her mother returned recently to Turkey and how her relos were all over her for handouts...lol

nice to connect with you phoenix, you are absolutely right about this issue being wide spread over many nationalities. My relative needs to stop listening to gossip, on how easy life is in Australia..

[George S.]

i forgot to add take very good care & be carefull.If you are successfull the'll tax you to the hilt.

[Vangelovski]

omg lol after reading all this i am even more depressed....

and yes i have been to bitola molika several years ago, but in macedonia one day its fine next day the terrorists is invading. My question was how is the security situation in bitola at the moment. Armed robberies, thieves, etc, corrupt police.

and what does doslaci means

thank you

While Bitola isn't South Africa in terms of crime and I wouldn't necessarily worry about Albanians, you shouldn't take your security for granted in Macedonia. If you want my honest opinion - the Kalashnikov in the closet and the glock under your belt. This is even more so if you have a family and plan to resettle them there. As far as I know, concealed carry isn't legal there, but like most other laws, that doesn't seem stop anyone.

[Risto the Great]

What is the specific complaints of these relatives of horror ?

The typical Balkan complaint is that they assume you are wonderfully rich in the Diaspora and that your duty when returning to Macedonia (or wherever in the Balkans) is to keep giving them all money. It is particularly heart warming when you see how lazy many of them are.