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  • Vangelovski
    Senior Member
    • Sep 2008
    • 8534
    #61
    Originally posted by Chiche View Post
    Tomche, I assume you are SA Born, where the ...., are the young Macedonians, in this state and what the ...., are they doing to help the CAUSE???
    I think its time you state what you think the cause is. And for someone so anti-Macedonia as you, I would not be asking what others have done.

    So far you've followed the Gligorovist rule book to the letter ("master plan", diaspora should keep quiet, what have you done, etc, etc)...except that you claim you thought of it yourself.
    If my people who are called by my name will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, I will hear from heaven and will forgive their sins and restore their land. 2 Chronicles 7:14

    The Revolution was in the minds and hearts of the people; a change in their religious sentiments, of their duties and obligations...This radical change in the principles, opinions, sentiments, and affections of the people was the real American Revolution. John Adams

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    • Vangelovski
      Senior Member
      • Sep 2008
      • 8534
      #62
      Originally posted by Chiche View Post
      NO I do not, but does the Republic of Macedonia have a choice?
      WTF!?!? I'm officially calling retard on this one. Why does Macedonia even have to join the UN, NATO or the EU? And why in F's name would it do it as FYROM?
      If my people who are called by my name will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, I will hear from heaven and will forgive their sins and restore their land. 2 Chronicles 7:14

      The Revolution was in the minds and hearts of the people; a change in their religious sentiments, of their duties and obligations...This radical change in the principles, opinions, sentiments, and affections of the people was the real American Revolution. John Adams

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      • United MKD
        Member
        • Jul 2011
        • 547
        #63
        Originally posted by Tomche Makedonche View Post
        The irony of it all is that, while our neighbours have endlessly spent over a hundred years, utilising countless measures, trying to extinguish the Macedonian flame, all they had to do all along was just provide us with our liberty, and we would voluntarily do the job ourselves in a quarter of the time... I guess that’s just Makedonsko Rabota
        This is so sad yet so true! Couldn't have put it better myself. Well done.

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        • makedonche
          Senior Member
          • Oct 2008
          • 3242
          #64
          Tomche Makedonche

          The irony of it all is that, while our neighbours have endlessly spent over a hundred years, utilising countless measures, trying to extinguish the Macedonian flame, all they had to do all along was just provide us with our liberty, and we would voluntarily do the job ourselves in a quarter of the time... I guess that’s just Makedonsko Rabota
          ...painfully evident! It's as if having been denied the right to be Macedonian for so long has had the effect of not knowing what to do with it once even a portion has been allowed. Makedonska Rabota indeed!
          On Delchev's sarcophagus you can read the following inscription: "We swear the future generations to bury these sacred bones in the capital of Independent Macedonia. August 1923 Illinden"

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          • Chiche
            Member
            • Jul 2012
            • 193
            #65
            Well done lads you put up a great fight and some good arguments as to, why the Government of the Republic of Macedonia should stop all negotiations regarding the name. I 100% agree with you all, Gruevski and co should Immediately stop all discussions. What does irk me is the term fyromians, as I have said before. Seriously what does calling our own people names achieve? It is divisive and stupid!!! I intentionally upset many of you for your continued use of this term. Macedonia should not bow to any nation or state.

            Love and Peace to you all, that I have upset.

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            • Vangelovski
              Senior Member
              • Sep 2008
              • 8534
              #66
              Originally posted by Chiche View Post
              Well done lads you put up a great fight and some good arguments as to, why the Government of the Republic of Macedonia should stop all negotiations regarding the name. I 100% agree with you all, Gruevski and co should Immediately stop all discussions. What does irk me is the term fyromians, as I have said before. Seriously what does calling our own people names achieve? It is divisive and stupid!!! I intentionally upset many of you for your continued use of this term. Macedonia should not bow to any nation or state.

              Love and Peace to you all, that I have upset.
              Chiche, I have been wondering why you are able to say 'Greece', for example, but when it comes to Macedonia, you get your tongue twisted into a 'Republic of Macedonia'? Why the double standard in use of long and short form conventional titles?
              If my people who are called by my name will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, I will hear from heaven and will forgive their sins and restore their land. 2 Chronicles 7:14

              The Revolution was in the minds and hearts of the people; a change in their religious sentiments, of their duties and obligations...This radical change in the principles, opinions, sentiments, and affections of the people was the real American Revolution. John Adams

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              • Chiche
                Member
                • Jul 2012
                • 193
                #67
                I do not like to use the word gr--ce, I prefer to call our enemies, geek's,albo's, bulgo's and serbo's. I refer to "The Republic of Macedonia" as that, as it is only a portion of Macedonia.

                Razbervash??

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                • Risto the Great
                  Senior Member
                  • Sep 2008
                  • 15660
                  #68
                  Originally posted by Chiche View Post
                  Well done lads you put up a great fight and some good arguments as to, why the Government of the Republic of Macedonia should stop all negotiations regarding the name. I 100% agree with you all, Gruevski and co should Immediately stop all discussions. What does irk me is the term fyromians, as I have said before. Seriously what does calling our own people names achieve? It is divisive and stupid!!! I intentionally upset many of you for your continued use of this term. Macedonia should not bow to any nation or state.

                  Love and Peace to you all, that I have upset.
                  Chiche, I am pleased you have taken some of this on board.
                  I still do not mind calling those that pursue the FYROMIAN identity in the world arena as FYROMIANS. They are the enemy.

                  I understand why you do not like this. But after many years of activism on a number of levels, I have no time for anyone that disregards or negates the Macedonian identity. I refuse to call such people Macedonians. They are working against Macedonians and the Macedonian Cause. In fact, it needs to be divisive. Who wants these people in a room full of (real) Macedonians. They are de-constructing Macedonia on a daily basis.

                  You appear to come from Adelaide. I am happy to discuss this matter further with you at some time over a latte.
                  Risto the Great
                  MACEDONIA:ANHEDONIA
                  "Holding my breath for the revolution."

                  Hey, I wrote a bestseller. Check it out: www.ren-shen.com

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                  • Chiche
                    Member
                    • Jul 2012
                    • 193
                    #69
                    "Chiche, I am pleased you have taken some of this on board."

                    I have not taken anything on board, always felt the Government of the Republic of Macedonia is Wrong to bow to these Mother F-ckers!

                    'You appear to come from Adelaide. I am happy to discuss this matter further with you at some time over a latte."

                    AND CAKE???? haha

                    May do it one day, Risto.

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                    • Risto the Great
                      Senior Member
                      • Sep 2008
                      • 15660
                      #70
                      Chiche, I think you have taken some stuff on board because your sentiments have changed since your earlier posts. But either way, I hope it is more than evident that only logical minds will win in this war of ideology.
                      Risto the Great
                      MACEDONIA:ANHEDONIA
                      "Holding my breath for the revolution."

                      Hey, I wrote a bestseller. Check it out: www.ren-shen.com

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                      • George S.
                        Senior Member
                        • Aug 2009
                        • 10116
                        #71
                        This bozo is not what he is cracked up to be.
                        "Ido not want an uprising of people that would leave me at the first failure, I want revolution with citizens able to bear all the temptations to a prolonged struggle, what, because of the fierce political conditions, will be our guide or cattle to the slaughterhouse"
                        GOTSE DELCEV

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                        • Makedonska_Kafana
                          Senior Member
                          • Aug 2010
                          • 2642
                          #72
                          At 2:50 ..

                          'Who the Hell You Think You Are?' Nigel Farage throws egg in Eurocrat faces - YouTube
                          http://www.makedonskakafana.com

                          Macedonia for the Macedonians

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