Razer and Stefan - Bulgar morons

[Big Bad Sven]

Why are you even here? You expressed your interest and willingness to learn from Macedonians, yet degrade and insult our existence. What did you expect the response would be on a Macedonian forum? As much as you want to portray Macedonians and Bulgars as 'brothers,' unfortunately (for you), the most we have in common is our language (and by the looks of it, Bulgars adopted that...just like their claims on Macedonian revolutionaries).

I find it strange that a guy that has lived in South Africa all of his life, that came here to learn more about bulgarian-slavs and macedonians, and claimed to be behind balkan politics, has some how transformed into a bulgarian-slav nationalist and expert on macedonian matters in the space of a few weeks.

Maybe he is a real quick learner or a genius.

[Vangelovski]

I find it strange that a guy that has lived in South Africa all of his life, that came here to learn more about bulgarian-slavs and macedonians, and claimed to be behind balkan politics, has some how transformed into a bulgarian-slav nationalist and expert on macedonian matters in the space of a few weeks.

Maybe he is a real quick learner or a genius.

The Turko-Bulgarian wannabe Arian doesn't appear to be what he says he is...

[Big Bad Sven]

And please read "Ibn Fadlan's Journey to Russia" and show me where it says Bulgars were of Turkic origin. It doesn't! Ibn Fadlan makes it clear that Buglars and Turks are two separate groups of people.

Here's the book and I challenge anyone to disagree.

Razer the bulgarian slav, it is well known in the western world that the original bulgars of the bulgarian empires were turkic. They were not slavic like you.
So why do you call yourself bulgarian? You are not turkic and you dont speak turkic. Your a slav.

Stop stealing turkic history and culture. You should not be allowed to be called bulgarian. You are stealing the history and culture of the bulgars of central asia and russia. There is a turkic minority in russia who say they are the true bulgars.

You should be forced to accept a "interim name" by the UN, you cant use Bulgaria sorry. I propose that you be called Slavic Bulgaria, or to be fair maybe Western Bulgaria or Euro-Bulgaria.

If you continue to call yourself bulgarian, then that must obviously mean you have intentions of expanding your border into central asia and russia, we cant have that in this civilized perfect little world we live in.

Stop stealing other peoples identity and cultre you confused slav

[Big Bad Sven]

Razer the bulgarian slav, it is well known in the western world that the original bulgars of the bulgarian empires were turkic. They were not slavic like you.
So why do you call yourself bulgarian? You are not turkic and you dont speak turkic. Your a slav.

Stop stealing turkic history and culture. You should not be allowed to be called bulgarian. You are stealing the history and culture of the bulgars of central asia and russia. There is a turkic minority in russia who say they are the true bulgars.

You should be forced to accept a "interim name" by the UN, you cant use Bulgaria sorry. I propose that you be called Slavic Bulgaria, or to be fair maybe Western Bulgaria or Euro-Bulgaria.

If you continue to call yourself bulgarian, then that must obviously mean you have intentions of expanding your border into central asia and russia, we cant have that in this civilized perfect little world we live in.

Stop stealing other peoples identity and cultre you confused slav

Some modern day history of the original bulgars, not some out of date commie bulgarian slav garbage:




Two main problems confronted the new Bulgarian state at the end of the 7th century: the need to establish clearly defined and secure borders: and the need to weld together the two main human components of the state, the Proto Bulgarian conquerors and the conquered slavs.

A Concise History of Bulgaria
R.J. Crampton
Page 10

They colonised areas of the eastern Balkans and in the 7th century other slav tribes combined with the Proto-Bulgarians, a group of turkic origin, to launch a fresh assualt into the Balkans. The Proto-Bulgarians originated in the area between the Urals and the Volga and were a pot-pouri of various ethnic elements, the word Bulgar being derived from a Turkic verb meaning to "mix".

A Concise History of Bulgaria
R.J. Crampton
Page8

[Volk]

Razer the bulgarian slav, it is well known in the western world that the original bulgars of the bulgarian empires were turkic. They were not slavic like you.
So why do you call yourself bulgarian? You are not turkic and you dont speak turkic. Your a slav.

Stop stealing turkic history and culture. You should not be allowed to be called bulgarian. You are stealing the history and culture of the bulgars of central asia and russia. There is a turkic minority in russia who say they are the true bulgars.

You should be forced to accept a "interim name" by the UN, you cant use Bulgaria sorry. I propose that you be called Slavic Bulgaria, or to be fair maybe Western Bulgaria or Euro-Bulgaria.

If you continue to call yourself bulgarian, then that must obviously mean you have intentions of expanding your border into central asia and russia, we cant have that in this civilized perfect little world we live in.

Stop stealing other peoples identity and cultre you confused slav

Nice one lol! They cannot be called bulgarian either, its just Slavs, or Sophians... Bulgaria is Turkic forever! lol

[vojnik]

@ Razer go back to page 38 of this thread and read post #380 I think you might have missed it or forgot to find some "legitimate" Bulgarian only sources to counteract the arguments and facts presented.

[Risto the Great]

Oh in modern times things are quite different. I will accept this. When you get rid of your Turkish population, your 1/6 gypsies and the Macedonians who migrated there in the 19th and 20th centuries .... you have your real Bulgarians. Do you know him?

Hugh Poulton - Who are the Macedonians


Add Pirin
Add Roma
Add Turks
Add 1 bulgarian on a horse

= Bulgaria

Joking (a little) but surely our friend Razer might like to accept that the familiarity of Macedonians may well be derived from the Macedonian population inflows of 100 years ago.

[George S.]

Razer what kind of independence do you support I'm for the one that puts everything the way it was prior to 1913.No body asked you to divide a slice of macedonia for yourselves your greed did,Also it was noted that you weren't happy with your bit,Now 2012 yo can give it back say sorry to the indigenous macedonians & Prin can link up to the rest of macedonia.

[vojnik]

Razer what kind of independence do you support I'm for the one that puts everything the way it was prior to 1913.No body asked you to divide a slice of macedonia for yourselves your greed did,Also it was noted that you weren't happy with your bit,Now 2012 yo can give it back say sorry to the indigenous macedonians & Prin can link up to the rest of macedonia.

This is the tricky part with the Bulgarians they all say yes we would love a fully independent united Macedonia, there is a Macedonian identity and language. But it's all Bulgarian...

[slovenec zrinski]

He is bīlgarian secret service- South African branch

[makedonche]

He is bīlgarian secret service- South African branch

Slovenec zrinski
Hahahahaha.....timely comment!

[Razer]

Wow, guys - please calm down. No need to attack or provoke me all the time...I don't have an agenda and I'm not a spy Don't be so paranoid. You keep bringing the argument that Buglars were Turkic. Admit it - you just like the sound of it. But you're being blinded by your emotions and ignoring facts that disprove this old belief.

[Razer]

Razer what kind of independence do you support I'm for the one that puts everything the way it was prior to 1913.No body asked you to divide a slice of macedonia for yourselves your greed did,Also it was noted that you weren't happy with your bit,Now 2012 yo can give it back say sorry to the indigenous macedonians & Prin can link up to the rest of macedonia.

This will never happen, even if there are indigenous macedonians in Pirin. I don't think Bulgarians will agree to give back any of their land. Not without a fight. And lets entertain this scenario for a sec...Macedonia and Bulgaria go to war for the Pirin region - no other parties involved. What do you think will happen? The Bulgarian army is not what it was 20-30 years ago, but it's still superior to the Macedonian.

War is the last thing anyone of us should be thinking of.

[Razer]

Hugh Poulton - Who are the Macedonians

Thank you for posting this. I don't see anything wrong with it. And please just read the second sentence after the one you underlined:

While both aimed at autonomy for Macedonia as a first step, the latter Sofia-based organisation openly favoured eventual annexation to Bulgaria, and was supported by the Buglarian government.

You posted this - not me. Do you have the rest of the book - it looks interesting.

[Razer]

@ Razer go back to page 38 of this thread and read post #380 I think you might have missed it or forgot to find some "legitimate" Bulgarian only sources to counteract the arguments and facts presented.

I will reply to SoM soon, I haven't misses anything