Kosovo fans burned Macedonian flag

[George S.]

if they didn;t have the training & arms they would have done nothing.Really they are just a band of thugs.Our wolves are ready to deal with them any day & they have proven themselves in combat in athghanistan.Our forces can deal with any insurgency.If they are not stopped from doing ther job they will be successfull.
Zombies is right they look like they are on drugs.

[Phoenix]

The KPC were the KLA's most well trained Force armed and trained by the British, French and Germans...

I haven't heard too many positive things coming out of the French system and if the Legion had anything to do with the training of the KLA, then good luck with that...lol

[ProMKD]

KPC - is that the same as KFC? You know, Kentucky Fried Chicken?

[Zarni]

It isn't only the Wolves Macedonia's has a total of 3 Special Force Units all with differing roles
Macedonia the Only Armed Force in the Balkans that spend all its limited budget on Special Units Heavy Arms is all Soviet era gear but very well supporting ofthe Special Force Units the Wolfs, Tigers and Scorpions they can eat the French for Lunch and in my opinion compare only to the Russian Special Forces and British SAS
The Yanks are a Technological Force they are over blown for example the US Special Forces Kill team that nabbed Bin Landen latest achievement was surprising Somalia Terrorists and rescuing hostages with the aid of 6 Helicopters and Predator Drones, yeah surprising them.
Comon the Macedonian are beyond enemy lines on the ground stuff
Operation Mountain Storm I would rank as a Military Operation Israel would be proud we captured a dozen Thugs and secured the Entire Bolder Zone including escape routes it was clinical and a great show case of Macedonian Intelligence

[FriendofMacedonia]

Welcome FriendofMacedonia. Are you a Serb? If so, keep an open mind when you read through these forums, as there are some threads which aren't exactly sympathetic to what your government, church and some of your people have done to Macedonia and Macedonians.

thanks for the welcome ya I'm Serbian and I'm aware some Macedonians don't like us, but I won't take it to heart and overall, I think we've got a lot of common ground and the ability to become good allies in the future

[Risto the Great]

I'm Serbian and I'm aware some Macedonians don't like us

Welcome FoM
What reasons do you believe have caused any animosity between Macedonians and Serbs.

[FriendofMacedonia]

Welcome FoM
What reasons do you believe have caused any animosity between Macedonians and Serbs.

Mostly the fact that Macedonians wanted a separate state while we wanted a unitary Yugoslavia.

I definitely think we are on relatively good terms today and most of our people don't view each other as hostile, not to mention we have a common enemy in the form of the Albanians.

[Bill77]

Mostly the fact that Macedonians wanted a separate state while we wanted a unitary Yugoslavia.

I definitely think we are on relatively good terms today and most of our people don't view each other as hostile, not to mention we have a common enemy in the form of the Albanians.

We are on relatively good terms. But the biggest obstacle to further improvement we have is Greece.

[Risto the Great]

Mostly the fact that Macedonians wanted a separate state while we wanted a unitary Yugoslavia.

I agree with that but I also feel it goes deeper than that. The Serbs had a mentality that Macedonians were not deserving of their state because Macedonians were lesser in their eyes. I don't have a problem with Serbs, they are our neighbours and share some cultural traits with us. But coming from Aegean Macedonian ancestry, I will say any bonds that many RoMacedonians feel for Serbs is purely a product of Yugoslavian comradeship and less to do with cultural similarities.

[Soldier of Macedon]

Mostly the fact that Macedonians wanted a separate state while we wanted a unitary Yugoslavia.

What about the current church issue and the presumptuous stance of the Serbian Orthodox Church towards the Macedonian Orthodox Church?

[Stojacanec]

Mostly the fact that Macedonians wanted a separate state while we wanted a unitary Yugoslavia.

I definitely think we are on relatively good terms today and most of our people don't view each other as hostile, not to mention we have a common enemy in the form of the Albanians.

FOM Welcome.

You can't blame the Macedonians for wanting their own state. Predominantly all of Yugoslavia had a tendancy towards wanting their own respective states.

[Big Bad Sven]

Mostly the fact that Macedonians wanted a separate state while we wanted a unitary Yugoslavia.

I definitely think we are on relatively good terms today and most of our people don't view each other as hostile, not to mention we have a common enemy in the form of the Albanians.

Welcome FOM and i hope you enjoy your stay on this forum. Dont take this personally but even though a lot of serbs seem to think they know and understand Macedonian people , history and culture - i think they are kidding themselves.

I hope you stick around enough to really understand macedonian people, and learn about the horrible things certain people in the balkans have done to the poor Macedonians and understand the long hard road macedonians had to take to just survive. From my past experience with serbs, they do not even know what a Aegean macedonian or Pirin macedonian is, or are confused when i talk to them about muslim macedonians e,g. torbeshi and goranci.

You mentioned that you think the only real issue between serbs and macedonians is that macedonians wanted a independent state, whilst serbs wanted to be in a Royalist Yugoslavia. Do you have a problem with macedonia wanting to be independent? Do you think republic of macedonia should be independent, or do you think the "best solution" would for it to still be united with serbia?

My last question to you is, and if you do not mind me asking, were about do you live? If you are from serbia then i would recommend you go to more handball games between serbia and macedonia because i hear that macedonians are greeted very well in those games by serbs, especially in cities like Nis.
If you are in Australia, then perhaps you should make your way to a local game between the serbian and macedonian team, you will be lucky to get an education on what "greeks" think of the whole situation and "greek" people for what ever strange reason like to go to games that are between macedonia and serbia, i dont know why but. Since "greeks" and serbs are "orthodox" brothers maybe you can tell us why "greeks" go to these games.
Also, it seems the "orthodox brotherhood" is a exclusive and elite club, however macedonians seem to be not allowed entry and seen as lepers, which is quite strange as we macedonians played a very important role in the orthodox church and church slavonic in its early days.

[Soldier of Macedon]

The exclusive 'Greek and Serb Orthodox brotherhood' club is a flimsly concept built on a foundation of collective hatred and disregard for Macedonians. Prior to the 19th century it was non-existent. It is quite funny when people try to make more of it than there actually is.

[Risto the Great]

The Klu Klux Klan is also a brotherhood. I don't think we need to read too much into this "heat of the night" kind of love affair.

[FriendofMacedonia]

Gotta lotta responding to do so I'll start with Risto.

I agree with that but I also feel it goes deeper than that. The Serbs had a mentality that Macedonians were not deserving of their state because Macedonians were lesser in their eyes. I don't have a problem with Serbs, they are our neighbours and share some cultural traits with us. But coming from Aegean Macedonian ancestry, I will say any bonds that many RoMacedonians feel for Serbs is purely a product of Yugoslavian comradeship and less to do with cultural similarities.

Fair enough. Nevertheless, we have a common enemy, share a common religion, speak an intelligible language, and have a similar stubborn Balkan mentality; I'd say that's decent common ground although we no doubt have some differences as well.Even though I love to study history, I am much more concerned about the future and I'm convinced that through mutual co-operation and understanding both our countries will be able to better themselves.

What about the current church issue and the presumptuous stance of the Serbian Orthodox Church towards the Macedonian Orthodox Church?

To be completely honest with you, I'm pretty ignorant with regards to the affairs of our churches. Organized religion or religion of any sorts has never really interested, I prefer discussing politics/history.

You can't blame the Macedonians for wanting their own state. Predominantly all of Yugoslavia had a tendancy towards wanting their own respective states.

You mentioned that you think the only real issue between serbs and macedonians is that macedonians wanted a independent state, whilst serbs wanted to be in a Royalist Yugoslavia. Do you have a problem with macedonia wanting to be independent? Do you think republic of macedonia should be independent, or do you think the "best solution" would for it to still be united with serbia?

I have no problem whatsoever with an independent Macedonia. I think Macedonians have legitimate grounds to declare themselves a separate ethnic group and on that basis have a right an independent nation state.

If hypothetically Macedonia and Serbia were to unite, I wouldn't be opposed, but only if both peoples were in majority consent (ie. a referendum).

Welcome FOM and i hope you enjoy your stay on this forum. Dont take this personally but even though a lot of serbs seem to think they know and understand Macedonian people , history and culture - i think they are kidding themselves.

I hope you stick around enough to really understand macedonian people, and learn about the horrible things certain people in the balkans have done to the poor Macedonians and understand the long hard road macedonians had to take to just survive. From my past experience with serbs, they do not even know what a Aegean macedonian or Pirin macedonian is, or are confused when i talk to them about muslim macedonians e,g. torbeshi and goranci.

No problem, and if its consolation, I'm decently well read on Macedonian history (for a non-Macedonian). I know the basics, like about Karposh, Gotse Delchev, Ilyo Voyvoda and a handful of other Macedonians. I also have a pretty decent understanding on the Macedonian partisans (the Yugoslav resistance is a bit of a speciality for me) and the National Liberation Front. But hey, I'm here to learn more

My last question to you is, and if you do not mind me asking, were about do you live? If you are from serbia then i would recommend you go to more handball games between serbia and macedonia because i hear that macedonians are greeted very well in those games by serbs, especially in cities like Nis.

I live in Canada but I'm from Kosovo. Yeah I've never really heard of any problems between Serbian and Macedonian fans/holligans, from what I hear they're pretty friendly towards each other. My aunt went to Ohrid actually last summer and she told she was very well recieved by the Macs (and she's got the thickest Belgrade accent I've ever heard).

If you are in Australia, then perhaps you should make your way to a local game between the serbian and macedonian team, you will be lucky to get an education on what "greeks" think of the whole situation and "greek" people for what ever strange reason like to go to games that are between macedonia and serbia, i dont know why but. Since "greeks" and serbs are "orthodox" brothers maybe you can tell us why "greeks" go to these games.

My experience with most (by no means all) of the former yugo diaspora I've met is that they are extremely (and almost irrationally) nationalist and quite racist actually, so I don't really like to associate with the extremists. But I've heard that shit is always going down at those games.