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  • Brian
    Banned
    • Oct 2011
    • 1130

    #61
    Phoenix
    Your real name wouldn't be Tom, as in doubting Thomas?
    The term 'NWO' has been around at least since Reagan, and particularly the first Bush. It has been used by countless prominent politicians. I'm not going to show you examples to prove it to you because there are countless examples you can find on the net and Youtube. It is so common that most people refer to it as a commonly know fact, so if you are only upto the 'Idustrial Revolution' in your history studies, then I can't help you, but only to say you have a lot of reading to do to get to 2011.

    For a very long time 'strange' things have been said to be happening. I don't know about UFO's or ghosts or stuff like that - it's very much on the fringe of things and not a true reflection of what the real alternative media have been saying. I personally don't believe much, but neither do I totally dismiss it, as you appear to do, instead, preferring to take things 'with a grain of salt'.

    For a very long time the 'nuts' have been saying that some 'they' are trying to exterminate us. I know, "Yeah, right!". But what do you expect, that the nightly TV news is going to report it, or it doesn't exist? Do you read newspapers? If you don't, then I would suggest you go buy some for a month or so. I don't mean entertainment raggs or the free paper they give out at train stations - try "The Age", "Sydney Morning Herald" or "The Australian" ect. While reading these papers (I think they are reputable enough for you) try and make a mental note of the number and types of stories you have read that day versus what, and how little, the nightly news tells you. I think it will quickly dawn on you that even the humble newspaper will tell that there is a lot more going on in the world than what the TV news is telling you.

    By now you should have understood that apart from the trivial, very little hits the TV news, at least in Australia. Are you wondering why? - maybe it's the government/'powers' trying to Keep It Simple Stupid, all is well in the world, and not give little 'Phoenixs' nightmares.

    To further prove the point, now try reading overseas newspaper (and I don't mean just mean a little "Vest" or "IDIVIDI") to get a different/new perspective, and again, it will quickly dawn on you that there is a lot more going on in the world/to the 'truth' than even the Australian newspapers are telling you - any you haven't even come a mile near any alternative media.

    The Foxconn story is real. Take note of 2 things in the whole article - 1, the million robots will be on-line by 2014 and not some far off futuristic thing like in you favourite SF move, and 2, "...plans to replace 500,000 workers with robots in the next 3 years." That's half a million (I wrote it like this in words in case all those zeros confused you) Chinese workers are going to loose their jobs in the next 3 years. What are they supposed to do? Where are they supposed to go? - and this is only the tip of the iceberg' in just 3 years.

    In 2008, prior to the GFC, there was a spike in world food prices leaving million world wide to go hungry and others to starve to death. It was later discovered that the spike was due to commodity speculation and deliberately done wreak out quick profits, and some say damage many poor countries economies.

    Insurgents were trained in Bosnia and sent to Lybia to oust Gadaffi. That much you may know, but did you know Gadaffi was planning, with African and Arab nation, to introduce a new currency for international trade and by-pass the USA dollar altogether. This would have spelled a death knell for the USA dollar and the USA economy and sent the world economy in a spin. And your TV news just told you about the 'human rights', but somehow forgot to mention the human rights of the town where Gadaffi is from and the wholesale slaughter of the town and blacks anywhere in the country (and I don't mean just the black mercenaries, most were just workers).

    Imagine, I said all this without a single UFO in sight

    Did your TV news tell you about the body parts of USA soldiers being dumped in land-fill? Did it tell you that even government documents say that depleted uranium weapons were not to be used unless a full on war was happening between the West and the USSR (ie WW3) because of how dangerous they are, yet in both Gulf wars they were suddenly deemed safe and used. This has come out in mainstream newspaper, but not a whisper on TV news (at least in Australia).

    By now you must be going 'nuts' realising that all those you have been calling 'nuts' are not all as 'nuts' as you think.

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    • Phoenix
      Senior Member
      • Dec 2008
      • 4671

      #62
      Originally posted by Brian View Post
      The Foxconn story is real. Take note of 2 things in the whole article - 1, the million robots will be on-line by 2014 and not some far off futuristic thing like in you favourite SF move, and 2, "...plans to replace 500,000 workers with robots in the next 3 years." That's half a million (I wrote it like this in words in case all those zeros confused you) Chinese workers are going to loose their jobs in the next 3 years. What are they supposed to do? Where are they supposed to go? - and this is only the tip of the iceberg' in just 3 years.
      Brian, I don't understand what the conspiracy is here...
      How long was it going to take before greedy corporations were going to abandon the low cost labour markets in places like China before they introduced further automation in their manufacturing processes, to improve the productivity and profitability of their industries?
      I don't think you have any idea of the rate at which the Chinese manufacturing landscape is changing.
      China is arguably undergoing the most rapid industialisation in human history

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      • Brian
        Banned
        • Oct 2011
        • 1130

        #63
        Precisely this is the conspiracy - when most things are being done by robots where do you personally, and the billions behind you, stand in the picture - how many humans do do you need/not need, and who?

        More and more evidence is emerging about chem-trails poisoning the environment, but don't worry, the GM people are working on/made GM varieties of crops able to grow in the harsher environment. Meanwhile the same oligarchy have build 'seed-banks'. Why all this stuff?

        It's like looking at a jigsaw puzzle - one piece here and one piece there, and from time to time you find a piece that attaches to another and even this little, the picture is not looking good.

        Your blatant dismissal of everything is flabbergasting. The stuff is out of the 'nut' sites, as you call them, and into the mainstream media and you still say you don't believe anything.

        I doubt, Pheonix, that you are in the billionaires' club, so this includes you. Or didn't you know, millionaires are not invited?

        It's not 'their just doing this next bit of industrialisation' so don't worry about it. So was sending kids in the coal minds - they'll do it, if WE let them.

        Seriously, out of all that I wrote about in my previous post (ie body parts in landfills, DU weapons, ect), all you got was 'it's industrialisation'?

        Did you know they are testing new artificial flavourings on aborted foetuses to replace natural flavourings?
        Last edited by Brian; 11-17-2011, 08:57 AM.

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        • Phoenix
          Senior Member
          • Dec 2008
          • 4671

          #64
          Brian, how does the 'body parts/landfill'...the 'seed bank'...'DU contamination'...'rapid industrialisation' and the like fit into your conspiracy puzzle, seeing how you've pieced much of this together already...

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          • Brian
            Banned
            • Oct 2011
            • 1130

            #65
            I think it would be obviouse, Phoenix, but since you ask...in a nutshell, to them you're nothing more than an asset to be used and abused in whatever way they want/need - you have no more value to them than a chair, and maybe less than that. Many oligarchs have said the world is over-populated and solutions need to be found. Do you have any idea what those solutions could be?
            Last edited by Brian; 11-17-2011, 03:47 PM.

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            • Vangelovski
              Senior Member
              • Sep 2008
              • 8534

              #66
              Originally posted by Brian View Post
              I think it would be obviouse, Phoenix, but since you ask...in a nutshell, to them you're nothing more than an asset to be used and abused in whatever way they want/need - you have no more value to them than a chair, and maybe less than that. Many oligarchs have said the world is over-populated and solutions need to be found. Do you have any idea what those solutions could be?
              Who are "they"? Can you name any? Other than grassroots enviromentalists (who would prefer there to be no humans at all) who has claimed there needs to be "solutions" to overpopulaton? What are the claimed "solutions". What about all the millions of producers who want population growth for their consumer products? Arn't they apart fo the "they", seeing as they are making robots? Hasn't most industry been mechanised since the 80's?

              Finally, we know who you really are Brian.
              If my people who are called by my name will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, I will hear from heaven and will forgive their sins and restore their land. 2 Chronicles 7:14

              The Revolution was in the minds and hearts of the people; a change in their religious sentiments, of their duties and obligations...This radical change in the principles, opinions, sentiments, and affections of the people was the real American Revolution. John Adams

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              • Brian
                Banned
                • Oct 2011
                • 1130

                #67
                Originally posted by Vangelovski View Post
                Who are "they"? Can you name any? Other than grassroots enviromentalists (who would prefer there to be no humans at all) who has claimed there needs to be "solutions" to overpopulaton? What are the claimed "solutions". What about all the millions of producers who want population growth for their consumer products? Arn't they apart fo the "they", seeing as they are making robots? Hasn't most industry been mechanised since the 80's?
                I think, from past reading, that Dimko-piperkata and DirtyCodingHabitz (and others I cannot think of now) have referred to similar things ie Bilderberg Group and the like. Onur introduced the "Occupy" thread. So I do not think I am alone in these thoughts.

                The stuff I have written on is quoted from reputable news services, eg Reuters, Blumberg, Yahoo News, Wired, Uk Daily Mail, ect, just check the links in my posts. Are all these news services also conspiracy nuts?

                Finally, we know who you really are Brian.
                Well, another amusing part of reading the forums has been how many new posters get the third degree/hounding from the Administrators an some Senior Members. A kind of 'right-of-passage', I guess. One would have to assume, as a new member, one's turn is coming soon. One poster, lerin, told everyone in their very first post ever to, "go forth and multiply". I guess he wanted to fast-track the vetoing process for himself. The really funny part is that new posters rarely know when the barrage is coming, or what sparked it off. I guess that's why lerin came out off-the-bat to everyone.
                Hi guys i have come across this so called greek macedonian anthem on the net also called makedonia ksakousti. I am positive that this is a macedonian song i have heard with macedonian lyrics that go like this Makedonia zemja mila trojno razdelena macedonia my beloved land divided three ways. i know i have this song on a tape


                Kind of reminded me of someone I once meat who began to swear p's and c's as we were approaching his car. When I asked him why he was swearing, he said he was thinking of what he was going to encounter on the roads as all other drivers were p's and c's.

                Like all those before me, I don't know what has attracted your ire, but I'm sure you will tell me.

                Of course you know me, I'm Brian, neither shaken nor stirred (martini joke).




                But you go ahead and tell me who you think I am, seeing your going to anyway.

                Seeing lerin's still around, does it help the process if, like him, I tell everyone to "go forth and multiply", or does that only count if it's in the first post?

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                • Vangelovski
                  Senior Member
                  • Sep 2008
                  • 8534

                  #68
                  So what do you think the Bilderberg Group is responsible for, "Brian"?

                  I note that Karamanlis has attended at least one of their meetings...didn't seem to help him or Greece much...
                  If my people who are called by my name will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, I will hear from heaven and will forgive their sins and restore their land. 2 Chronicles 7:14

                  The Revolution was in the minds and hearts of the people; a change in their religious sentiments, of their duties and obligations...This radical change in the principles, opinions, sentiments, and affections of the people was the real American Revolution. John Adams

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                  • makedonche
                    Senior Member
                    • Oct 2008
                    • 3242

                    #69
                    Originally posted by Brian View Post
                    I think, from past reading, that Dimko-piperkata and DirtyCodingHabitz (and others I cannot think of now) have referred to similar things ie Bilderberg Group and the like. Onur introduced the "Occupy" thread. So I do not think I am alone in these thoughts.

                    The stuff I have written on is quoted from reputable news services, eg Reuters, Blumberg, Yahoo News, Wired, Uk Daily Mail, ect, just check the links in my posts. Are all these news services also conspiracy nuts?



                    Well, another amusing part of reading the forums has been how many new posters get the third degree/hounding from the Administrators an some Senior Members. A kind of 'right-of-passage', I guess. One would have to assume, as a new member, one's turn is coming soon. One poster, lerin, told everyone in their very first post ever to, "go forth and multiply". I guess he wanted to fast-track the vetoing process for himself. The really funny part is that new posters rarely know when the barrage is coming, or what sparked it off. I guess that's why lerin came out off-the-bat to everyone.
                    Hi guys i have come across this so called greek macedonian anthem on the net also called makedonia ksakousti. I am positive that this is a macedonian song i have heard with macedonian lyrics that go like this Makedonia zemja mila trojno razdelena macedonia my beloved land divided three ways. i know i have this song on a tape


                    Kind of reminded me of someone I once meat who began to swear p's and c's as we were approaching his car. When I asked him why he was swearing, he said he was thinking of what he was going to encounter on the roads as all other drivers were p's and c's.

                    Like all those before me, I don't know what has attracted your ire, but I'm sure you will tell me.

                    Of course you know me, I'm Brian, neither shaken nor stirred (martini joke).




                    But you go ahead and tell me who you think I am, seeing your going to anyway.

                    Seeing lerin's still around, does it help the process if, like him, I tell everyone to "go forth and multiply", or does that only count if it's in the first post?
                    Brian
                    You do remind me of someone.....I can't quite put my finger on it yet but I'll think about it a little more!
                    ...oh and by the way there's an old saying I just remembered........
                    "The truth shall set you free"..........one of my all time favourites!
                    On Delchev's sarcophagus you can read the following inscription: "We swear the future generations to bury these sacred bones in the capital of Independent Macedonia. August 1923 Illinden"

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                    • Brian
                      Banned
                      • Oct 2011
                      • 1130

                      #70
                      Many members of the Bilderberg Group are also members of the Council for Foreign Relation or Skull and Bones ect and have also been presidents - the whole lot of them are strung together like pork sausages.

                      The training and funding of the Lybian insurrectionists and elsewhere and calling it 'freedom fighters' is a joke. Just look up on articles of what benefits Gadaffi gave to his citizens and how generous they were - he hardly comes off sounding like the scumbag tyrant he was made out to be. It was a deliberate regime change only to suit western interests.

                      Probably Gadaffi's 2 major crimes were demanding Italy (primary consumer, but really all the West) pay for his oil in gold instead of soon to be worthless USA dollars or Euros, and the other was to plot with other African and Arabian nations to use a new Gold standard currency for international trade and by-pass both the USA dollar and Euro. You probably already know, the fact that the USA dollar and the Euro are used for international trade is one of the key reasons they have not fallen further. The West are like a Mafia mob - you don't take their gold and potentially ruin their currencies top position and get away with it. It had nothing to do with human rights.

                      I did not mean to imply (if I ever did) that anyone is there to help Greece, or Italy for that matter. They are only there to facilitate the sale of state assets to the banks while still leaving those countries with massive debts they are unlikely to ever repay.

                      The banking elite want a controlled implosion of the financial system to introduce one world currency (and government) - one of their publicly stated aims. Just recently MF Global Ltd was looted with many suspicious huge transactions days before declaring they were bankrupt and a now estimated USD 900 Billion has been taken from depositors'/traders' accounts. The money is reported to have gone to JP Morgan, one of the elites' banks,

                      Fund Transfers Are Focus of MF Global Probe (Wall Street Journal)


                      I can understand that it might sound a bit 'George Orwellian' and easy to dismiss , but with Europe forging (forcing?) a common zone and currency while now there are calls that NAFTA is not enough and calls being made for a North American Dollar (note not USD) it is not easy to ignore - something is going on.

                      It's hard to describe something that hasn't fully formed a shape in the public, but...
                      the derivative hood-wink by the banks,
                      their taking control of countries and selling public assets,
                      sticking Gadaffi, and what looks like to be next Syria,
                      TSA setting up internal check-points about 100 miles from any USA boarder with roaming 'Viper' TSA teams,
                      the government admitting they are monitoring details and photos on Facebook,
                      admitting they can track any mobile within an error margin of a metre or two,
                      recently testing they can break into any electronic communication (ie controlling/kill switch)
                      GM foods and seed banks,
                      artificial food spike of 2008,
                      and ect

                      Something is going on. It's too hard to ignore. It's not well formed so it must be some time off, but it doesn't look like decades and decades. One thing that looks clear is that it's not to help everyone.

                      If you think about, if you want to do a 'dirty deed' you wouldn't tell everyone first either, so it is not to difficult to understand why all the facts are not before us, and consequently conspiracies abound.
                      Last edited by Brian; 11-17-2011, 11:13 PM.

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                      • Brian
                        Banned
                        • Oct 2011
                        • 1130

                        #71
                        Originally posted by makedonche View Post
                        Brian
                        You do remind me of someone.....
                        It must be one of 'those faces' things - there's a lot of us around.


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                        • makedonche
                          Senior Member
                          • Oct 2008
                          • 3242

                          #72
                          Originally posted by Brian View Post
                          It must be one of 'those faces' things - there's a lot of us around.


                          Brian
                          Hahahahahaha...........good one! Which one is you? lol
                          On Delchev's sarcophagus you can read the following inscription: "We swear the future generations to bury these sacred bones in the capital of Independent Macedonia. August 1923 Illinden"

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                          • George S.
                            Senior Member
                            • Aug 2009
                            • 10116

                            #73
                            Don't say i didn't say it this thread has gone to the dogs haha.So really Brian is a dog who can use the internet??
                            Last edited by George S.; 11-18-2011, 02:47 AM. Reason: ed
                            "Ido not want an uprising of people that would leave me at the first failure, I want revolution with citizens able to bear all the temptations to a prolonged struggle, what, because of the fierce political conditions, will be our guide or cattle to the slaughterhouse"
                            GOTSE DELCEV

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                            • Brian
                              Banned
                              • Oct 2011
                              • 1130

                              #74
                              Originally posted by makedonche View Post
                              Brian
                              Hahahahahaha...........good one! Which one is you? lol
                              I'm the one wagging his tail for a Martini (or Scotch, Bourbon, Gin, Vodka, Mastika, ect), in moderation, of course. I know Mastika should be first, but I love Martinis.

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                              • Brian
                                Banned
                                • Oct 2011
                                • 1130

                                #75
                                Weather manipulation and weaponization have been going on for decades.



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