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  • Bratot
    Senior Member
    • Sep 2008
    • 2855

    The danger of being member of EU, UN and WTO

    I would like to start discussion where we could re-evaluate the benefits for Macedonia and to point out the negative aspect of the membership in the main international organizations not only through the danger for our identity but also through the economical disadvantages for our people, industry and living standard.

    It's necessary we start from the very basic foundament of these organizations - the Codex Alimentarius (Latin for "food book")

    Codex Alimentarius is a "Commission" composed of the major producents who, in order to earn the higher profits, create rules about what you can eat and drink and what not.




    The rules are now accepted as the basis of the UN, and now they spread as standard for all countries everywhere.

    Especially dangerous is that the rules of CA became standard for the World Trade Organization. WTO says that the rules are mandatory for each Member State.

    In other words, CA prohibits the use of natural nutrients and allows high levels of industrial and other toxins as well impose genetically modified food and other unhealthy products.


    Controversy

    The controversy over the Codex Alimentarius relates to a perception that it is a mandatory standard for the safety of food, including vitamin and mineral supplements. Supporters of the Codex Alimentarius say that it is a voluntary reference standard for food and that there is no obligation on countries to adopt Codex standards as a member of either Codex or any other international trade organization. From the point of view of its opponents, however, one of the main causes of concern is that the Codex Alimentarius is recognized by the World Trade Organization as an international reference standard for the resolution of disputes concerning food safety and consumer protection.[2][3] Proponents argue that the use of Codex Alimentarius during international disputes does not exclude the use of other references or scientific studies as evidence of food safety and consumer protection.

    It is reported that in 1996 the German delegation put forward a proposal that no herb, vitamin or mineral should be sold for preventive or therapeutic reasons, and that supplements should be reclassified as drugs.[4] The proposal was agreed, but protests halted its implementation.[4] The 28th Session of the Codex Alimentarius Commission was subsequently held July 4–9, 2005.[5] Among the many issues discussed were the "Guidelines for Vitamin and Mineral Food Supplements",[6] which were adopted during the meeting as new global safety guidelines.[7] This text has been the subject of considerable controversy, in part because many member countries may choose to regulate dietary supplements as therapeutic goods or pharmaceuticals or by some other category. The text does not seek to ban supplements, but subjects them to labeling and packaging requirements, sets criteria for the setting of maximum and minimum dosage levels, and requires that safety and efficacy are considered when determining ingredient sources. The United Nations' Food and Agriculture Organization (FAO) and World Health Organization (WHO) [U]have stated that the guidelines are [/U]"to stop consumers overdosing on vitamin and mineral food supplements." The Codex Alimentarius Commission (CAC) has said that the guidelines call "for labelling that contains information on maximum consumption levels of vitamin and mineral food supplements." The WHO has also said that the Guidelines "ensure that consumers receive beneficial health effects from vitamins and minerals." [8]

    Similarities have been noted between the EU's Food Supplements Directive and the Codex Alimentarius Guidelines for Vitamin and Mineral Supplements.[9]


    Additional controversy has been expressed by proponents of ecologically and socially sustainable agriculture and food systems, such as the Slow Food movement,[11] who view the Codex Alimentarius as antithetical to this goal. According to the Manifesto on the Future of Food, the Codex Alimentarius has "codified policies designed to serve the interest of global agribusiness above all others, while actively undermining the rights of farmers and consumers".[12]




    The standards of CA were originally set by the former Nazis and this information is only partially available on their FAQ's page:

    The FAO Conference, and the World Health Assembly, jointly decided in establish Codex in 1961 and in 1963 respectively. The need for harmonised food standards to better protect consumers and remove unnecessary trade barriers was however being felt in the international community since long before. The establishment of Codex evolved from earlier attempts to develop Codex Alimentarius Europaeus. In Austria, the national food standards are still called Codex Alimentarius Austriacus.





    Codex Alimentarius, Control over the Food Supply and World Government
    The History of Health Tyranny: Codex Alimentarius

    Here is an Excerpt from Codex Alimentarius -- The End of Health Freedom by Brandon Turbeville



    Codex is merely another tool in the chest of an elite group of individuals whose goal is to create a one world government in which they wield complete control. Power over the food supply is essential in order to achieve this. As will be discussed later, Codex Alimentarius will be “implemented” whenever guidelines are established and national governments begin to arrange their domestic laws in accordance with the standards set by the organization.

    The existence of Codex Alimentarius as a policy-making body has roots going back over a hundred years. The name itself, Codex Alimentarius, is Latin for “food code”[1] and directly descended from the Codex Alimentarius Austriacus, a set of standards and descriptions of a variety of foods in the Austria-Hungarian Empire between 1897 and 1911.[2] This set of standards was the brainchild of both the food industry and academia and was used by the courts in order to determine food identity in a legal fashion.

    Even as far back as 1897, nations were being pushed toward harmonization of national laws into an international set of standards that would reduce the “barriers to trade” created by differences in national laws.[3] As the Codex Alimentarius Austriacus gained steam in its localized area, the idea of having a single set of standards for all of Europe began to pick up steam as well. From 1954-1958, Austria successfully pursued the creation of the Codex Alimentarius Europaeus (the European Codex Alimentarius). Almost immediately the UN directed FAO (Food and Agricultural Organization) sprang into action when the FAO Regional Conference for Europe expressed the desire for a global international set of standards for food. The FAO Regional Conference then sent a proposal up the chain of command to the FAO itself with the suggestion to create a joint FAO/WHO programme dealing with food standards.

    The very next year, the Codex Alimentarius Europeaus adopted a resolution that its work on food standards be taken over by the FAO. In 1961, it was decided by the WHO, Codex Alimentarius Europaeus, Organization for Economic Co-operation and Development (OECD), and the FAO Conference to create an international food standards programme known as the Codex Alimentarius.[4] In 1963, as a result of the resolutions passed by these organizations two years earlier, Codex Alimentarius was officially created.[5]

    Although created under the auspices of the FAO and the WHO, there is some controversy regarding individuals who may or may not have participated in the establishment of Codex. Many anti-Codex organizations have asserted that Nazi war criminals, Fritz Ter Meer[6] and Hermann Schmitz[7] in particular, were principal architects of the organization. Because many of these claims are made with only indirect evidence, or no evidence at all, one might be tempted to disregard them at first glance. However, as the allegations gain more and more adherents, Codex has attempted to refute them. In its Frequently Asked Questions section, Codex answers the question, “Is it true that Codex was created by a former war criminal to control the world food supply?”[8] It then goes on to answer the charges by stating:

    No. It is a false claim. You just need to type the words "Codex Alimentarius" in any search engine and you will find lots of these rumors about Codex. Usually the people spreading them will give no proof but will ask you to send donations or to sign petitions against Codex.

    Truthful information about Codex http://www.codexalimentarius.net is found on the Internet - there is nothing to hide from our side - we are a public institution working in public for the public - we are happy if people want to know more about our work and ask questions. There is anofficial Codex Contact Point <http://www.codexalimentarius.net/web/members.jsp> in each member country who will be pleased to answer your questions on Codex.[9]



    But, as one can see from the statement above, Codex’s response does very little to answer this question beyond simply disagreeing with it. While it is true that many individuals who make this claim provide little evidence for it, the presentation of the information does not necessarily negate its truthfulness. In fact, Codex offers its own website as a source for accurate information about the organization; yet, beyond the FAQ section, there is nothing to be found that is relevant to the “war criminal” allegations. Furthermore, the codexalimentarius.net http://www.codexalimentarius.net/web/index_en.jsp website is virtually indecipherable, almost to the point of being completely useless. In the end, this response raises more questions than it answers. This is because Codex, if it wanted, could put these rumors to rest by simply posting a list of the individuals and organizations that funded or played an integral role in its creation. However, it does nothing of the sort. Beyond mentioning the FAO and the WHO, we are completely unaware of who or how many other individuals and organizations participated in the creation of Codex Alimentarius.

    The “war criminal” claims center around the chemical conglomerate known as I.G. Farben. I.G. Farben was made up of several German chemical firms including, BASF, Bayer, Hoechst and AGFA,[10] that merged together. It was essentially the manufacturing wing of the Third Reich and was the engine behind the Nazi war machine. The company provided the vast majority of explosives and synthetic gasoline used for the military conquest and murder of millions. It also manufactured the now infamous Zyklon-B gas used in the gas chambers. Not only that, but it was influential in the conducting of experiments on concentration camp victims. Indeed, camp victims were often purchased outright at the behest of the company for the express purposes of testing by several different branches of the company, particularly Bayer and Hoechst.

    Without I.G. Farben, the German wars simply could not have been sustained. During the Nuremberg war trials, the tribunal convicted 24 board members and executives of the company and dissolved it into several different daughter companies. Namely, BASF, Hoechst (later to be known as Aventis), and Bayer. By 1951, virtually all 24 of these executives were released, including Fritz Ter Meer and Hermann Schmitz. Ter Meer had been a member of the I.G. Farben executive committee from 1926-1945 and also a member of the working committee and the technical committee as well as a director of the infamous Section II. He was also the ambassador to Italy given full power by the Reich Minister for armaments and war production and was the industrialist most responsible for Auschwitz. Schmitz was also a member of the I.G. Farben executive committee from 1926-1935, and was chairman of the board and “head of finances” from 1935-1945. He was also head of military economics and a member of the Nazi party. Both men were found guilty by the Nuremberg war tribunal in 1948, yet Schmitz was released in 1950 and Ter Meer in 1952.[11]

    After all this, Schmitz was appointed board member of the German bank of Berlin West in 1952 and in 1956, the honorary chairman of the board of Rheinish steel plants. Ter Meer, however, was even more successful. Upon his release, he was appointed board member of Bayer in 1955 and, in 1956 was appointed chairman. In the years following, he would take on many additional roles such as chairman of the board of Theodore Goldschmidt AG, deputy chairman of the board of Commerzbank and Bank-Association AG, as well as a board member of the Waggonfabrik Uerdingen, Duesseldorger Waggonfabrik AG, the bank association of West Germany, and United Industrial Enterprises AG.[12] These are documented connections for both of these men. Indeed, Ter Meer’s’ connections to the pharmaceutical firm Bayer earned him a foundation named in his honor, the Fritz Ter-Meer Foundation.[13] Through all of this however, this writer could not confirm that either Ter Meer or Schmitz had direct connections to the creation of Codex Alimentarius.

    However, Codex does nothing to dispel the allegations besides simply disagreeing with them and the connections are not at all implausible. Codex is very secretive about its beginnings, as evidenced on its website where it only states that it was created at the behest of the FAO and the WHO. It is highly unlikely that such an organization would be created without the assistance, input, and even funding of privately owned international corporations. Thanks to both the anti-Codex community and Codex Alimentarius itself, there is no evidence (again at least to this author) that documents which individuals or corporations were involved in its establishment. However, there are other ties that lend more credence to the belief that war criminals played a role in the creation of Codex.



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    That's why I believe that the membership of Macedonia in EU for the Macedonian farmers would certainly leed up to no good!
    Last edited by Bratot; 05-10-2011, 10:39 AM.
    The purpose of the media is not to make you to think that the name must be changed, but to get you into debate - what name would suit us! - Bratot
  • Bratot
    Senior Member
    • Sep 2008
    • 2855

    #2
    YouTube - Alex Jones - Food: The Ultimate Secret Exposed
    The purpose of the media is not to make you to think that the name must be changed, but to get you into debate - what name would suit us! - Bratot

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    • George S.
      Senior Member
      • Aug 2009
      • 10116

      #3
      if that's the case why would one even contemplate joining those organizations.
      "Ido not want an uprising of people that would leave me at the first failure, I want revolution with citizens able to bear all the temptations to a prolonged struggle, what, because of the fierce political conditions, will be our guide or cattle to the slaughterhouse"
      GOTSE DELCEV

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      • Makedonska_Kafana
        Senior Member
        • Aug 2010
        • 2642

        #4
        Bratot, EXCELLENT post!

        Now, MOST of us here fully understand how joining these types of organizations would be very harmful to Macedonia and the Macedonian citizens. Why, does the UMD (reeker) not care or understand this clear message?

        On election day say no to liars and followers.
        http://www.makedonskakafana.com

        Macedonia for the Macedonians

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        • George S.
          Senior Member
          • Aug 2009
          • 10116

          #5
          I don't know if it's the media's responsiblity in the so called democracy in macedonia that they should reveal the truth to the population.
          I think the media should take it onitself to show to our people how they are being used & ripped off.Our politicians are simply using smoke & mirrors
          they want to tell the public that it's going to be beneficial to macedonia but neglect to mention how much.
          Last edited by George S.; 05-10-2011, 12:02 PM.
          "Ido not want an uprising of people that would leave me at the first failure, I want revolution with citizens able to bear all the temptations to a prolonged struggle, what, because of the fierce political conditions, will be our guide or cattle to the slaughterhouse"
          GOTSE DELCEV

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          • Makedonska_Kafana
            Senior Member
            • Aug 2010
            • 2642

            #6
            Originally posted by George S. View Post
            I don't know if it's the media's responsiblity in the so called democracy in macedonia that they should reveal the truth to the population.
            I think the media should take it onitself to show to our people how they are being used & ripped off.
            MOST of the media in macedonia get paid to distort the truth/facts and most of us (excluding umd) here understand their lies - new world order, Masons.
            Last edited by Makedonska_Kafana; 05-10-2011, 12:05 PM.
            http://www.makedonskakafana.com

            Macedonia for the Macedonians

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            • indigen
              Senior Member
              • May 2009
              • 1558

              #7
              Originally posted by Makedonska_Kafana View Post
              MOST of the media in macedonia get paid to distort the truth/facts...
              But I would like to know which media does not distort the facts/truth (in one way or another), especially in Macedonia.

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              • Makedonska_Kafana
                Senior Member
                • Aug 2010
                • 2642

                #8
                Originally posted by indigen View Post
                But I would like to know which media does not distort the facts/truth (in one way or another), especially in Macedonia.
                MIA is the best from my point of view.
                http://www.makedonskakafana.com

                Macedonia for the Macedonians

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                • indigen
                  Senior Member
                  • May 2009
                  • 1558

                  #9
                  Originally posted by Makedonska_Kafana View Post
                  MIA is the best from my point of view.
                  You MISSED by a MILE, MK, MIA is the VASSAL GOVERNMENT'S STATE AGENCY and what "news" comes out of it is basically government agenda and propaganda. Though the English version is sometimes toned down a bit and some more obvious propaganda designed for home consumption is omitted.

                  Cheers

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                  • Pelister
                    Senior Member
                    • Sep 2008
                    • 2742

                    #10
                    The E.U is a corrupt institution.

                    The E.U, by taking the side of the invading 'Greeks' is demonstrating that its position has features of extra-territoriality on the Macedonian Republic.

                    The position taken by the E.U also strongly suggests that it is the position of the E.U that the 'Macedonians' are not the real Macedonians, and that they have no soveriegnty, no jurisdiction; and that Greece has 'a right' to exercise as much power as it wants over the indigenous group, for as long as it wants, until the objectives or goals of its conquest are fully realized. In fact the E.U is a foriegn policy tool of Greece - that much is clear. The E.U is aiding the Greeks in the fulfillment of their conquest. It is in every aspect an instrument of extermination.

                    It is a special department of Greece (left over from the old days), whose sole purpose is to ridicule the 'Macedonians', isolate them - and facilitate the process of them 'dying out'.

                    The trouble for us is that Gruevski is their lackey. It might be a Greek and an E.U agenda to have us extinct, but Gruevski and his bullshit party is the one driving the train.

                    What p's me off is the Metoists (Such a Currency Trader) who come on here trying to 'romantisize' the E.U and abstract it.
                    Last edited by Pelister; 05-17-2011, 12:35 AM.

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                    • indigen
                      Senior Member
                      • May 2009
                      • 1558

                      #11
                      Originally posted by Pelister View Post
                      The E.U is a corrupt institution.

                      The E.U, by taking the side of the invading 'Greeks' is demonstrating that its position has features of extra-territoriality on the Macedonian Republic.

                      The position taken by the E.U also strongly suggests that it is the position of the E.U that the 'Macedonians' are not the real Macedonians, and that they have no soveriegnty, no jurisdiction; and that Greece has 'a right' to exercise as much power as it wants over the indigenous group, for as long as it wants, until the objectives or goals of its conquest are fully realized. In fact the E.U is a foriegn policy took of Greece - that much is clear. The E.U is aiding the Greeks in the fulfillment of their conquest. It is in every aspect an instrument of extermination.

                      It is a special department of Greece (left over from the old days), whose sole purpose is to ridicule the 'Macedonians', isolate them - and facilitate the process of them 'dying out'.

                      The trouble for us is that Gruevski is their lackey. It might be a Greek and an E.U agenda to have us extinct, but Gruevski and his bullshit party is the one driving the train.

                      What p's me off is the Metoists (Such a Currency Trader) who come on here trying to 'romantisize' the E.U and abstract it.
                      Excellent points, Pelister! You should save this post and repeat it often and also add some more meat to it, e.g. I noticed the secret British reports being posted on Maknews by Chris Stefou that show what dastardly plans were being cooked up for Macedonian ethnic cleansing during WWII in Greek-Occupied southern Macedonia with their suggested plan to expel some 120,000 Macedonians in order to facilitate safe/r grk incorporation of our stolen lands. That plan was in fact put into action but there a still hundreds of thousands of indigenous Macedonians left there.

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                      • Onur
                        Senior Member
                        • Apr 2010
                        • 2389

                        #12
                        Originally posted by indigen View Post
                        dastardly plans were being cooked up for Macedonian ethnic cleansing during WWII in Greek-Occupied southern Macedonia with their suggested plan to expel some 120,000 Macedonians in order to facilitate safe/r grk incorporation of our stolen lands. That plan was in fact put into action but there a still hundreds of thousands of indigenous Macedonians left there.
                        I knew that during and right after WW-2 ended, Greece expelled about ~35.000 Cham Albanians to Albania and some of them seek refuge to Turkey too but i didn't know they also expelled Macedonians too. I was thinking that Macedonians started to be expelled out soon after the so-called civil war.

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                        • indigen
                          Senior Member
                          • May 2009
                          • 1558

                          #13
                          Originally posted by Onur View Post
                          I knew that during and right after WW-2 ended, Greece expelled about ~35.000 Cham Albanians to Albania and some of them seek refuge to Turkey too but i didn't know they also expelled Macedonians too. I was thinking that Macedonians started to be expelled out soon after the so-called civil war.
                          Onur, I was a bit hazy on exact details entailed in the secret report but I was meaning that the plan was cooked up during WWII.

                          The war in Europe ended with the capture of Berlin by Soviet and Polish troops and the subsequent German unconditional surrender on 8 May 1945. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II
                          As the Germans (including their allies, e.g Bulgarians) would have retreated from Greece before the end of the WWII in Europe, and depending which parts of Macedonian occupied territories were held by the royalists, it could be assumed (as I don't have any "precise" details and will not be doing special research just for this post/topic) that perhaps tens of thousands were displaced in this phase of the war and many tens of thousands during and post the so called "Greek Civil War".

                          The following is the reference I was thinking of when I posted above and info contained within square brackets [...] is my mods for offensive designations and labels in the report:
                          ------------

                          From the Once Classified Files – Part 1 - Introduction

                          Dear readers,

                          I am happy to announce the launch of a new series of weekly articles to be published mid-week.

                          This series of articles will present the reader with direct quotes from declassified information from the 1940’s which was once only available to governments, statesmen and diplomats.

                          This information will answer questions such as;

                          How much did “governments” in the 1940’s know about the “Macedonian Question”? What did Macedonia’s enemies say about Macedonia and the Macedonian people? How did the Great Powers “influence” events that were aimed against the Macedonians? And much, much more.

                          Since these articles will not be available anywhere on the internet, I suggest you save them.

                          In my opinion, these articles, never before available, depict the correct picture of past events and will be invaluable to historians, especially those reports containing information collected by the field agents of the various Foreign Offices.

                          Regards, Risto…

                          Here is the first article:


                          Balkan States – Report 1
                          December 11, 1944

                          Mr. Leeper to Mr. Eden
                          Athens 24th November, 1944

                          Sir,

                          I HAVE the honour to submit the following comments on Research Department paper of the 26th August, 1944, on the subject of Macedonia. (1)

                          2. The two formidable Macedonian problems in which Greece is concerned are: (a) that of Greek relations with the Slav world as represented by Serbia and Bulgaria, both of whom must be expected in the immediate future to be under strong Russian influence and to have Russian sympathy for their aspirations; and b) that of the surviving [Macedonian] minority in Western Macedonia.

                          […...]

                          4. The problem of the Western Macedonian [Macedonians], who are briefly mentioned in paragraph 7 of the paper, also remains serious and formidable, in spite of its limited dimensions. This minority, which extends through the region from Florina and Kastoria through Siatista to the plain of Yannitsa, has proved exceedingly unreliable during the war. Satisfactory data are not available, but it appears from events during the occupation that the dissatisfied minority must be considerably larger than is suggested by Greek census figures; and it is certain that successive Greek Governments have shirked facing the problem and have preferred to persuade even themselves that it did not exist. On the assumptions (1) that the policy of His Majesty’s Government is to treat Greece as the most important Balkan country from the point of view of British interests, and to support those elements in Greece which are most stably pro-British and (2) that Greece does not wish to belong to a Balkan Federation in which there would be a large Slav majority, it would appear to follow that Greece had better not contain any [Macedonian] minorities at all. And since the amputation of the [Macedonian] areas in Western Macedonia and their annexation to a Slav Federation is a practical impossibility and would also be economically disastrous for Greece. It would follow that, difficult as it may be, a home must be found for perhaps 120,000 [xxxx] Macedonians north of the Greek frontiers of 1941.

                          5. I have sent copies of this dispatch to the Resident Minister at Caserta, to Mr. Houstoun-Boswall at Sofia and to Mr. Broad at Bari.

                          I have, &c. R. A. Leeper.

                          (1) See “Balkan States” print section, 26th August, Section 6.

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                          • Makedonska_Kafana
                            Senior Member
                            • Aug 2010
                            • 2642

                            #14
                            Something that really troubles me is the fact that ALL Macedonian organizations would welcome a chance to become a member of NATO and the EU even under “Republic of Macedonia”. Not, only is that unwise it's very stupid. As, other countries are begging to break away the Macedonian government wants to jump into this raging fire. Why? It would generate added revenue through heavy taxes and would make in tougher on illegal operations which doesn't help ($) the government at all.

                            The citizens will once again be the big losers and no further ahead when the dust settles - dictatorships. I would recommend NO under any terms until ALL these world organizations get their house in order.
                            Last edited by Makedonska_Kafana; 05-12-2011, 03:30 PM.
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                            Macedonia for the Macedonians

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                            • Rogi
                              Senior Member
                              • Sep 2008
                              • 2343

                              #15
                              This reminds me, has anyone seen 'The Yes Men' and specifically the WTO prank with the 'Management Leisure Suit'? Surely it must be on youtube...

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