Is OziMak/fyrOM/Toby an anti-Macedonian?

[Risto the Great]

I see your DELETE button works well - where's my earlier post???

Hiding something is LYING by CONCEALMENT!!!

My point exactly - lies, lies and more lies.

11 people posted to get 17 posts and 17 votes and I still got 3 votes!

Take away the 3 principles and their closest pals who I was exposing leaves the 5 cling-ons therefor the vote is 5 to 3 only out of 200+ members.hahahaha What a pathetic joke!!!

And again with the IP address - I told you that you take the trivial and try to put a negative spin on it to sensationalize it!
We can't see his IP address.
He must be hiding his address?
Why is he hiding his address?
Does he have something to hide?
Is he sinister?
So from a trivial IP address which in reality has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with the merit of my posts you choose to focus on the IP and put a negative spin on it to make me look bad instead of arguing against my points!
There's the deceit tactics.

You Couldn't take my original post eh?

Yes, I deleted your post with all the youtube links.
You're not sinister nor interesting. Just of no use to Macedonians. Stop rating yourself fyrOM.

[Pelister]

The Greek position.
The term FYROM.
The position of the European Council, and E.U.
The position of NATO.
The Interim Accord.
The 'negotiations'.

All of them are anti-Macedonian, and all of them have been developed and aimed toward our extermination.

In the past it was Meto Koloski and UMD defending and supporting these positions, institutions and processes, one or another or all of them. Every now and then a Macedonian comes along to try to convince us that these processes, these institutions and these positions are all part of a plan. Yes, they are part of plan to exterminate us, but none of them say that. Instead, they praise one or all of these institutions, processes. I mean UMD supported the negotiations once, and yet it hadn't occured to one of them that by supporting the 'negotitions' they were also supporting Greece, and the Greek position within the framework of those talks whether they agreed with it or not. Anyone who tries to make a case that what is happening right now is normal, or that its all part of a 'plan' for the better are delusional and ignorant.

[fyrOM]

OM
If you stop digging the hole will not get any bigger!

Have you ever watched 2 lawyers go hammer and tong at each other in the court yet outside it go for drinks?

So long as it is the points that are argued for and against, there is no animosity.
So long as it is a well placed jibe within reasonable limits, it's a joke and know how to take one.
Whilst, when the post is 99% to 100% insult and nothing more (where's the points of the post?) repeatedly without end, and in 'Lackeys' case follow your ever post in any thread, one soon realises (it doesn't take a bariniac to figure it out) that there is NO hope of civilised discussion -It takes 2 to have a civilised discussion, remember.

So what's left if civilised discussion is not viable?, but to expose the lies, deceit and bully-boy control tactics and then stand aside - there's no use in yelling at a brick wall forever - it's not my forum, it's theirs.

Phoenix Post029...

Yeah, you're right Toby fyrOM there's definately a conspiracy against you. Three people are trying to bring you down whilst silencing your hundreds of supporters here...I visited your homepage the other day and I noticed the statements of support from the likes of... the Easter Bunny, the Tooth Fairy, Santa, the Yeti, E.T. , Elvis, Harold Holt and some hetrosexual greek fella...

Another Phoenix stupid reasoning! - you really have a low level ability in reasoning and propaganda. In just one post one could think it was an aberration but you go all-out to prove your stupidity repeatedly, post after post.

Ever heard of the silent majority? Why would people want to publicly voice their opinion when the negative outcome for them is foretold? The absence of negativity on such an important issue (of me being anti-Macedonian) is tantamount to support!!, numb-skull!

If I AM as wrong, stupid, anti-Macedonian, incoherent and deranged as I am made-out to be, by literally a hand-full of people, would you not think if a thread were opened (as this one is) specifically for a public caning and dressing-down of me, EVERYONE would want to 'throw the rotten tomato' and vent there anger at this vial, disgusting anti-Macedonian and publicly spit in his face - da te pluknam gudsko izdajnik - I know I would, after all an anti-Macedonian is a vial disgusting low-life, aren't they? Yet strangely the thread received EXTREMELY little attention. Why?

By the time of my original post there were 17 posts by 11 different people with a vote of 17 against and 3 for me.

Of the 11 different people who posted, 6 were people I spoke against and who were taking this action (opening a thread specifically for a public exposing and dressing-down of me and self vindication for themselves) so it is no wonder they would speak out and vote against. Their votes are uninteresting - if you are going to seek public support for your stance in this way, then it is the PUBLIC's opinion that counts!!!

This leaves ONLY 5 of the 11 different people who bothered to post were of the PUBLIC. An extremely poor turn-out indeed considering the call was to spit at an ant-Macedonian. Likewise, assuming people did not vote twice, (11 different people posted 17 times and 17 votes were recorded against - peculiar?) leaves 11 PUBLIC votes against an 3 votes for - I have Not voted at all. This is a PATHETIC vote against an anti-Macedonian considering the site has 200+ members! It is the ABSENCE of those against (and EVEN 3 for!!!) a via,l disgusting creature as an anti-Macedonian is, SPEAKS LOUDER than ANY supposed lack of support!!!!hahahaha

GET IT NOW, PHOENIX???

RtG Post031...

Yes, I deleted your post with all the youtube links.
You're not sinister nor interesting. Just of no use to Macedonians. Stop rating yourself fyrOM.

So you ADMIT deleting my original post - an act of concealment (a form of Lying in itself remember) maybe? as there was NOTHING rude or racist or calling for violence in it. All it had was basically what I have in this post but more wittily written and illustrated with humor ie I WAS POKING FUN at you and my other detractors. For SURE an excellent reason for deleting a post, because You and Them would NEVER poke fun at me!!!hahaha

Why NOT RATE MYSELF, RtG??? It is You who created this thread as a public opinion of me with a VOTING MECHANISM - a RATING system, wouldn't you say????

Remember, in ANY discussion, a point OPENED by the OTHER person is FAIR GAME for comment! You CANNOT then claim foul! YOU wanted a RATING, then I CAN comment on a rating!!! That's how logical discussion works, in case you didn't know! Just because You CANNOT see more than the next step in front of you nose and cannot foresee the outcome before opening a point (ie rating) does NOT mean you can say, "NO Comments Allowed Now!"

Just because the VOTING/RATING is dismally NOT going the way you expected does NOT mean I CANNOT point this out and highlight it for everyone to see! In a public voting/rating people are allowed to see and comment the results - right??? or is this ONLY if it is in your favor????hahaha Do you see what I mean about behaving like a joke?

Vangeloski Post030...

What was the "merit" of your posts? Incoherent, uninformed, unsubstantiated, delusional and/or factually incorrect dribble does not count as "meritorious" post content.

In the past I repeatedly tried to word and re-word the point that your (and others) opinion that you "have rights" is a relative thing ie "relative rights" (remember these words). While you were trying to argue do you or don't you "have rights", I was arguing "you Do BUT" since those "rights" are only real on paper, but in reality are relative and hence "relative rights", as such CANNOT be counted on too heavily when making plans - let alone count on them absolutely as it appeared some were saying.

You cried foul! - 'we don't understand you, you must be crazy!!' - remember? Even in this post you claim my posts had No merit.

That's why I wrote Post018 in...

http://www.macedoniantruth.org/forum/showthread.php?t=5357&page=2

thanking Onur for writing a description of what I called "relative rights" which you MIGHT understand and to which, in the same thread, Post019, RtG wrote,"I understand now."
(Maybe you understood it because it was in Turkish?hahaha - No offense Onur I'm just having a joke with their lack of comprehension, or deliberate pretending to not understand me.)

What I contended was that this "relative right" flexibility needs to be factored into any forward plans and Not ignored and "Rights" treated as absolute solid stones to stand on.

Crazy idea? or crazy people? or crazy inajet?

Just look in this thread alone, how MANNY posts were wasted on the IP address (NON)issue. For what purpose, other than to create the ILLUSION I am hiding something therefore I am deceptive ie try to make me look bad regardless of the merit of any of my posts.


Food for thought guys - from what I can see, it IS HAPPY ratings!!!
The absence of mass venom for a 'blatant' anti-Macedonian is astounding!

[Risto the Great]

You still have not answered the question in the first post in the thread Toby.
I asked it 2 times on other threads Toby.
Why the reluctance Toby?

I told you I deleted your post with the monkey Youtube links. If you believe that salvaged your reputation, well, you would believe that I suppose.

New question Toby. Are you a UMD member?

[Risto the Great]

Toby, what makes you think the 19 people who voted you as being anti-Macedonian are not separate people? I can assure you they are. Oh, and the other 3 might be feeling sorry for you or in fact should be feeling sorry for themselves, especially the ones with a lack of imagination.

[Vangelovski]

fyrOM,

A violation of a right does not make the right "relative" or non-existant in any sense. A right exists whether you believe it does or not and whether it is violated or not. Your attempt to deny Macedonians their rights by trying to convince them that they should not exercise them or that there is some idiotic notion of "relative rights" is probably the most anti-Macedonian view you have put forward in your pathetic time on this forum.

[fyrOM]

So some questions have to be asked, is OziMak/fyrOM/Toby a Macedonian. I believe he is. Is he good for Macedonia, I do not think so. Does his mental paralysis offer a way for Macedonia to move forward in a manner that preserves the rights and legacy of Macedonians. No.

And finally, he never answered the following question:

If there were more Macedonian people who asserted their rights and valued Macedonia's sovereignty, would Macedonia be better off right now?

fyrOM represents the opposite of the above and in my opinion is an anti-Macedonian. He does nothing to inspire Macedonians to rise above their present existence.

Wasn't I the one hounding you and others with that line ie answer the question/why wont you answer the question??? Now you think it's cool enough measure to flip back to me? Imitation is a sure form of flattery!

You like to answer your own questions sometimes (the first few question above) then you like to play hypotheticals yet when I asked a number of questions under the "what next" banner you and others squirmed around and threw back other question - BUT NEVER ACTUALLY answered the questions.

You like to re-word a question and put it back to the person. This is NOT answering the question but a deflection technique - and you know it is! I repeated the questions numerous times to no avail. Only when it was evident No real answer WOULD be coming EVER! I set out to expose the little slight of hands you think work (and actually do work with some morons).

I have already told you - the reason you (collective) want people to answer your wide-scoped hypotheticals is to pick at the points with "AS IF that would happen" knowing that as a hypothetical there is no way to conclusively prove beyond a doubt one way or the other followed by the other favorite of yours,"is THAT all?" expecting the writer to give you an entire geo-political answer OR ELSE they MUST be wrong, "Q.E.D Shut them up! hahaha!" Fearing these same responses back to you, if you answered any question, you refuse to answer my questions, no matter that they are simpler and that I demonstrated how they were a Natural Progression questions to your assertions rather than a broad-scope hypothetical.

When others, and I, persisted on an answer, and did Not play into your twists, you became abusive, preferring name-calling and character-assassinating as if it somehow proves you right by their shutting-up, when in reality by being such an affront they just give-up and don't bother any further - ne ke se karam so budala, ne mie davaat cela makedonia - which to you is tantamount to their admission of being wrong...BUT note at the end of it all, still no answer by you. I'm just more of a persistent prick who wants either civil discord or to expose the lies and tricks, and who doesn't give an F about OziMak's reputation!

I told you I deleted your post with the monkey Youtube links. If you believe that salvaged your reputation, well, you would believe that I suppose.

What ever gave you that idea?!?! - delusions of grandeur? My reputation does not need salvaging - I stand by everything I have said - I was poking fun at you and others with that post (the one you deleted)!

New question Toby. Are you a UMD member?

You are too suspicious. I have been nothing but forthcoming on a number of issues - organisation membership being one of them.
You would know from my posts that I am Not a member of the UMD and basically wrote them off when they refused to answer some questions, preferring me to give them my e-mail address so that we could converse in private - remember that?, although, I still think it's a cool name, but nothing more.

[George S.]

86.36%of the members in today's poll think Fyrom is ANTI Macedonian,why waste your time & waste his time.Give him his marching orders.I for one will never accept a name called fyrom & will not accept any negotiations about our name.Why waste your time with this guy who approves the sellout and accepts the ventilator.He approves the capitulation & compromise on our glorious name.You ask him a question he doesn't even answer edit it & makes jokes.

[Risto the Great]

Wasn't I the one hounding you and others with that line ie answer the question/why wont you answer the question??? Now you think it's cool enough measure to flip back to me? Imitation is a sure form of flattery!

You like to answer your own questions sometimes (the first few question above) then you like to play hypotheticals yet when I asked a number of questions under the "what next" banner you and others squirmed around and threw back other question - BUT NEVER ACTUALLY answered the questions.

You like to re-word a question and put it back to the person. This is NOT answering the question but a deflection technique - and you know it is! I repeated the questions numerous times to no avail. Only when it was evident No real answer WOULD be coming EVER! I set out to expose the little slight of hands you think work (and actually do work with some morons).

I have already told you - the reason you (collective) want people to answer your wide-scoped hypotheticals is to pick at the points with "AS IF that would happen" knowing that as a hypothetical there is no way to conclusively prove beyond a doubt one way or the other followed by the other favorite of yours,"is THAT all?" expecting the writer to give you an entire geo-political answer OR ELSE they MUST be wrong, "Q.E.D Shut them up! hahaha!" Fearing these same responses back to you, if you answered any question, you refuse to answer my questions, no matter that they are simpler and that I demonstrated how they were a Natural Progression questions to your assertions rather than a broad-scope hypothetical.

When others, and I, persisted on an answer, and did Not play into your twists, you became abusive, preferring name-calling and character-assassinating as if it somehow proves you right by their shutting-up, when in reality by being such an affront they just give-up and don't bother any further - ne ke se karam so budala, ne mie davaat cela makedonia - which to you is tantamount to their admission of being wrong...BUT note at the end of it all, still no answer by you. I'm just more of a persistent prick who wants either civil discord or to expose the lies and tricks, and who doesn't give an F about OziMak's reputation!

I kept it all here. This is priceless. You are wrong on a few matters. Your name is not OziMak, you are fyrOM and/or TOBY. We changed your name because you are beneath us and not worthy of self-determination (sound familiar?). I will be changing your name to fyrOM for login purposes shortly. If you can't login with your former name, please use the new name. I understand it is an imposed name but also accept that since you are willing to do this for Macedonia, then you must be willing to do this for yourself. It just makes sense for you.

You asked "what next" and wanted an answer. You presented a deep fear of the what next with a hint of annihilation of the Macedonian race mixed in with a bit of whatever else you could paint as a scary scenario.

You suggested that Macedonia would suffer terribly and the other nations would make Macedonia suffer if Macedonia decided to call itself Macedonia much less revise its constitution.

You were told that Macedonia could abandon the FA and implement best practice world standard individual rights for citizens of Macedonia.

You remained with a vacant (with a hint of scared shitless) look on your face throughout the discussion.

You sit here posting incessant ramblings about various issues yet barely understand them.

Macedonia cannot improve its position whilst people like you exist. There are many spineless Macedonians. Macedonia cannot get into the EU/NATO/Whatever then get in a stronger position and finally do something about its dire situation. If we are to believe this, we simply have not read Macedonia's constitution. It needs to be put aside as a tool for destructing the sovereignty of a nation (as done in Egypt recently).

Please don't take my attacks personally. I don't know you personally. I am attacking a disgusting mentality that unfortunately appears to be prevalent in Macedonia. This subservient (slave-like) mentality dominates the thought processes of way too many Macedonians.

I notice you still refuse to answer my question to you. Truth hurts too much for you I would imagine.

What ever gave you that idea?!?! - delusions of grandeur? My reputation does not need salvaging - I stand by everything I have said - I was poking fun at you and others with that post (the one you deleted)!

fyrOM, you were poking fun with monkey Youtube links. You were not defending yourself. You were simply being your foolish dim-witted self again. It did nothing to help my "grandeur" by deleting monkey Youtube links. Is everything alright in that lonely place between your ears?

You are too suspicious. I have been nothing but forthcoming on a number of issues - organisation membership being one of them.
You would know from my posts that I am Not a member of the UMD and basically wrote them off when they refused to answer some questions, preferring me to give them my e-mail address so that we could converse in private - remember that?, although, I still think it's a cool name, but nothing more.

I must admit, I have been taking more notice of the agenda of anti-Macedonians lately. But I really don't know that much about you aside from the fact you are against Macedonia's sovereignty (unless it suits external nations).

I thought you might be a UMD member because you seem to have an underlying belief that "progress" requires some sort of "reasonable" capitulation in terms of identity. The UMD has distanced themselves from that stance but I think it will stick with them for good.

[Pelister]

OziMak, your either delusional or UMD propaganda has been working on you overtime.

Is there any merit to the Greek case (in your opinion)?

[fyrOM]

OziMak, your either delusional or UMD propaganda has been working on you overtime.

Is there any merit to the Greek case (in your opinion)?

I had something on and missed it but for a tiny bit. In fact I missed last nights thing entirely also and am spewing about it.

It might sound like a cop-out, but I did miss it but for the bit where they were saying (I can't remember the proper name of it) the point in law that if the other party is totally disregarding their obligations then the first party is not at fault for not upholding their obligation. I thought it was an interesting point and very much wanted to hear Macedonia's reply, but unfortunately, missed all of last night.

Does anyone know if it (audio only is ok) is available to download a copy?