Greek citizens are Moving into Macedonia

[Big Bad Sven]

I don’t like the idea of more “Greeks” moving into Macedonia, speaking their crazy language or putting up signs in greek. Where abouts in grease can you see signs in Macedonian or people speaking Macedonian with out fear or shame?

Fuck, they are staying in buildings that can be occupied by other Macedonians. In Aegean Macedonia they kicked our people out of their homes and now we are giving them luxury accommodation in rep of Macedonia!

Northwest Macedonia has already turned into the shiptar Disney land, hate to think of an important place like Bitola with a “greek element”, especially since grk nationals think of Bitola and gevgelijia as
lost territories”

Well i guess the bright side is that they are pensioners so they wont be having any kids

[Niko777]

I don't believe that this particular group of Greek citizens pose as a threat to Macedonia; they are old pensioners who will not have kids and multiply like Albanians, they receive an income from Greece but that income will be spent entirely in Macedonia, and they will be taxed in Macedonia. These are individuals who are fed up with Greece and want to spend their last days in Macedonia.

[Makedonska_Kafana]

Niko, not only pensioners it's even young people. There was a guy that owned a bar in Lerin who was 32 at that time who spoke PERFECT Makedonski and he was a Majir born in Lerin.

[Niko777]

My point is not if they are in reality Ethnic Macedonians (What there ancestors were), its do they feel Ethnic Macedonian.

Fair enough but the issue of self-identity is far too complex and troublesome when applied to most Macedonians in Greece, like a dual identity.

[Niko777]

Niko, not only pensioners it's even young people. There was a guy that owned a bar in Lerin who was 32 at that time who spoke PERFECT Makedonski and he was a Majir born in Lerin.

Don't know what you're referring to but I was referring to the article which only mentions pensioners. And besides I don't think there are many opportunities at the moment for young people in Macedonia to make a descent living, so it's unlikely for more young people to move in.

[Makedonska_Kafana]

Don't know what you're referring to

educating and informing the masses - re Majiri

[machorot]

Once i found that hard to believe (the motto you are on my land you speak my language) until i witnessed how they think their shit don't stink with my own eyes and ears when i visited their country. They refuse to speak English or Macedonian, i went through hell trying to get information.

A relative of mine recently went to one of the 'Westfield' type shopping centers near Solun, and said that quite a few retailers spoke broken Macedonian to her, but nevertheless were very friendly.

[Bill77]

A relative of mine recently went to one of the 'Westfield' type shopping centers near Solun, and said that quite a few retailers spoke broken Macedonian to her, but nevertheless were very friendly.

They spoke Macedonian?
Possibly things have changed since i was there.
More than possible, is the fact there was potential for money to head their way.

Iv'e mentioned one of my experiences before. In Solun, i rang an operator to get a phone number of a particular hospital. I asked in English if she new English. She went on about something in her Greek language. So assuming she had no idea or pretended to not understand what i asked, i then asked her "dali razbervash Makedonski" She replied "OHI"

So by the sounds of things, she totally understood, but elected to speak only in Greek and if i could not speak her language, then it was tough shit for me.

I am not jumping to conclusions (that their attitude is you are in my country you learn and speak our language) solely on that one experience, but going to gatherings where there are Greeks and having Greek friends, i often heard this point of view.

I mean, thats the attitude they have when they think they created the world and the world owes them everything.

[Trident]

Machorot quote above pretty much reinforces what Ive been saying in the other thread.

[fyrOM]

They spoke Macedonian?
Possibly things have changed since i was there.
More than possible, is the fact there was potential for money to head their way.

Iv'e mentioned one of my experiences before. In Solun, i rang an operator to get a phone number of a particular hospital. I asked in English if she new English. She went on about something in her Greek language. So assuming she had no idea or pretended to not understand what i asked, i then asked her "dali razbervash Makedonski" She replied "OHI"

So by the sounds of things, she totally understood, but elected to speak only in Greek and if i could not speak her language, then it was tough shit for me.

The operative word in that sentence is ME ie you…see how they treat the British or Germans…yes we know English…to you inajet da te macam…mrzna. Phone operators know English.

[Rogi]

Bill, in '08 I travelled through every major town and many smaller towns throughout the Aegean part of Macedonia and got by almost exclusively speaking Macedonian this included ordering at restaurants, telling the taxi drivers where to go (using the Macedonian names of the towns), asking shopkeepers for prices in Macedonian, etc. If they didn't understand me, they knew someone close by who did.

[Trident]

^ Another fair assessment of what reality is in Greece. Nobody is oppressed, and nobody could care less of what language your speaking. Most of the horror stories are purely for domestic consumption.

[Prolet]

I think the wheel is turning slowly, i see nothing wrong with somebody who's got a Greek Pension or income that wants to spend their money in Macedonia. As long as they respect our country then by all means they come there for shopping, get their haircuts and so forth.

Rogi, When i went to Egejska Makedonija even the younger generation spoke Macedonian to me, i hardly spoke any English there i only spoke on the border crossing because the people there were very rude and arrogant.

Stojacanec, You come from the Gevgelija region, whats the news coming out of there?? Its going to be the Macedonian Las Vegas no doubt about it, they are going to build a massive shopping mall near the border with Egejska Makedonija on the Bogorodica Crossing. They must be very disappointed with the Greek Government if they are leaving the country and going to live in Macedonia.

[Niko777]

Iv'e mentioned one of my experiences before. In Solun, i rang an operator to get a phone number of a particular hospital. I asked in English if she new English. She went on about something in her Greek language. So assuming she had no idea or pretended to not understand what i asked, i then asked her "dali razbervash Makedonski" She replied "OHI"

Again anything is possible, but don't expect Macedonians working in government owned institutions to speak in Macedonian while on the job, yea there is no official rule forbidding the Macedonian language but Greece is one of the most corrupt places on earth! This means you won't lose your job for "speaking in Macedonian", rather they will find another "reason" to fire you. Greece is not Australia or Canada where you have human rights groups or labor unions protecting you against discrimination.

[Niko777]

Another fair assessment of what reality is in Greece. Nobody is oppressed, and nobody could care less of what language your speaking. Most of the horror stories are purely for domestic consumption.

Maybe to a certain extent, but this is not entirely true. Discrimination does exist against Macedonians in Greece and that's a fact. Read my post above.