Australian Floods Devastate Queensland; heading towards NSW and VIC

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  • Prolet
    Senior Member
    • Sep 2009
    • 5241

    #16
    Australia shouldnt have to rely on Queensland for its food resources, if there is no Bananas then they can always import them from Ecuador or Venezuela thats how its done in Macedonia and there are Bananas available through the whole year in Stari Kraj.
    МАКЕДОНЕЦ си кога кавал ќе ти ја распара душата,зурла ќе ти го раскине срцето,кога секое влакно од кожата ќе ти се наежи кога ќе видиш шеснаесеткрако сонце,кога до коска ќе те заболи кога ќе слушнеш ПЈРМ,кога немаш ни за леб,а полн си во душата затоа што ја сакаш МАКЕДОНИЈА. МАКЕДОНИЈА во срце те носиме.

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    • Phoenix
      Senior Member
      • Dec 2008
      • 4671

      #17
      Originally posted by OziMak View Post
      The Australians are learning well from us Wogs not only in culinary skills but farming practices and other things.

      In the early days when we would drive from one part of Australia to another one thing that stood out were the huge number of sheep and cattle roaming in paddocks with only one fence facing the road and nothing else…not even a house nor barn for as far as the eye could see. In the heat you could see the animal huddling in groups under the shade of some trees at best. Kaj padnalo tamu ostanalo. Very primitive practices indeed. Now they have shelters and troughs with satellite controlled taps to let the farmer give the animals water by remote control. But with all this positive learning they also learned how cheat lie and make schemes to swindle almost as good as any European and sometimes even better. Taka si naucivme zatoa taka ni praat.
      I think you've got it completely arse-about OM...

      What you have just described was the result of adopting European farming practices, not what Australians are learning from "us wogs"...

      Australia has a unique environment that isn't suited to traditional European farming practices and "us wogs" have contributed very little in correcting this...on the contrary, its been the adoption of cutting edge farming techniques, research and development that has seen Australian primary production techniques reach worlds best practice status.

      For many years Australia's primary producers have struggled to compete on equal terms with other countries and their restrictive trade policies that have protected their less sufficient farmers...

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      • Phoenix
        Senior Member
        • Dec 2008
        • 4671

        #18
        Originally posted by Prolet View Post
        Australia shouldnt have to rely on Queensland for its food resources, if there is no Bananas then they can always import them from Ecuador or Venezuela thats how its done in Macedonia and there are Bananas available through the whole year in Stari Kraj.
        Prolet there's enough bananas on this forum to supply the needs vo stari kraj...

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        • Phoenix
          Senior Member
          • Dec 2008
          • 4671

          #19
          Originally posted by Risto the Great View Post
          Australia has a great climate. It has a declining health system that is becoming more and more disturbing. It is getting dumber and fatter as the years progress in a similar fashion to the USA. It is getting its resources raped. It will be a very different country in 50 years.

          It presently is one of the best places to live in the world.
          I agree...

          My concerns are with city infrastructure and our manufacturing sectors...

          Our cities continue to grow in population and expand outward, yet our roads (in Melbourne and regional centres) continue to be congested and slowed by bottlenecks, our public transport is a mess. As fuel prices increase in the future and more people are forced out into the 'burbs' the cost of getting into the CBD for work will become exceedingly expensive.....

          Its a real shame that a country like Australia with vast natural resources slowly watches its manufacturing base move to China and India...

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          • Phoenix
            Senior Member
            • Dec 2008
            • 4671

            #20
            Originally posted by Prolet View Post
            Australia shouldnt have to rely on Queensland for its food resources, if there is no Bananas then they can always import them from Ecuador or Venezuela thats how its done in Macedonia and there are Bananas available through the whole year in Stari Kraj.
            Prolet it would be really nice if we relied totally on Australian produce, instead we see our best produce exported to Asia, as we do with our seafood and in return we import crap from places like Vietnam, Thailand and China, now the problem with this crap is that the importer pays a fraction of the price he eventually charges the Australian consumer...

            The solution here is to support your local producers, those supplying vegetables, fruit, livestock and fisheries...and this is also the point being made in another thread about Croatia's EU entry and how small cheese producers are going under as a result and people like OziMak see this as a fact of life...no, it doesn't have to be like, it just requires more educated and ethical choices being made by the consumer.

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            • Prolet
              Senior Member
              • Sep 2009
              • 5241

              #21
              Phoenix, The world is an open economy now and there is no such thing as a conservative economy anymore. Why should we as consumers pay $12 for Bananas when we can get them for $2 a Kilo from Ecuador or Venezuela? The Support for Local Economy schemes died 30 years ago, now its up to the consumer to choose what they prefer to buy and how they are willing to spend their money. Why should we have to pay 5 times more for prices just because they are produced in some outback village of Australia? Every economy in the world has to deal with the same situation, the Australian Economy is no different.

              As for Croatia and the EU, well they need to lift their standards and get certain certification in order to be competitive on the EU market, its much better to sell to an EU market of over 300 million compared to just selling on the Croatia market which is just over 4 million. The Croatians can easily apply for EU grants and their Government can help finance the Zemjodelci with subsidies like what our Government is doing in Stari Kraj, there is nothing wrong with lifting the standards and investing in technology in order to produce a better quality product.
              МАКЕДОНЕЦ си кога кавал ќе ти ја распара душата,зурла ќе ти го раскине срцето,кога секое влакно од кожата ќе ти се наежи кога ќе видиш шеснаесеткрако сонце,кога до коска ќе те заболи кога ќе слушнеш ПЈРМ,кога немаш ни за леб,а полн си во душата затоа што ја сакаш МАКЕДОНИЈА. МАКЕДОНИЈА во срце те носиме.

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              • fyrOM
                Banned
                • Feb 2010
                • 2180

                #22
                Originally posted by Prolet View Post
                Phoenix, The world is an open economy now and there is no such thing as a conservative economy anymore. Why should we as consumers pay $12 for Bananas when we can get them for $2 a Kilo from Ecuador or Venezuela? The Support for Local Economy schemes died 30 years ago, now its up to the consumer to choose what they prefer to buy and how they are willing to spend their money. Why should we have to pay 5 times more for prices just because they are produced in some outback village of Australia? Every economy in the world has to deal with the same situation, the Australian Economy is no different.
                Here Here Prolet. Just a case in point the Golden Circle company and others. Eons ago I used to buy Australian to support the local industry. Golden Circle upped their prices by 30 to 50 more than other branded products let alone the no brand rubbish concentrates from God knows where relying on their exemplary quality and the patriotism of consumers. Their arrogance became renowned and consumers started dumping them…firstly the influx of new arrivals felt absolutely no patriotism towards Australia and later other consumer who felt like mugs with the frequent price rises this allowed others to seize market share where it finally got to the point a few years ago their adds in newspapers were saying something like…when you do your shopping if you buy just one more item from our range of products you will save our jobs. About nearly 2 years ago they went bust and now Heinz owns them. F them. Many companies thing patriotism means an excuse to gouge you and treat you like a mug. The recent cries of fowl due to the internet buying and subsequent backlash are another example of the liberalisation of the Australian consumer. Death to all stores and primary producers…economically…if they dare keep up their arrogance.

                Just in case you don’t believe me do you remember the hotted up commodore was going to be rebadged and sold in the usa. It got canned a couple of years ago. It was being sold in the usa for considerably less…including factoring the exchange rate…than you could buy it in Australia. Why. Because Australians pay more for just about everything. We are treated like mugs.

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                • fyrOM
                  Banned
                  • Feb 2010
                  • 2180

                  #23
                  In the Paul Hogan Show Strop opens a can of dog food for his dogs and catches the label…New Improved Recipe…and reads on about the vitamins minerals chunky meat bits in gravy with vegetables. He has his spoon out to fill the dogs bowl. He looks at the can. Looks at the dogs. Looks at the can again and exclaims…too good for you mongrels…as he digs in himself.

                  Our quality produce goes overseas…considered best in the world by many markets…and any rubbish is brought in at a pittance but sold for a ransom. Until the government wakes up and takes appropriate measures f them. Buy whatever suits you from wherever and loyalty be damned…its either both ways or it doesn’t exist.

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                  • fyrOM
                    Banned
                    • Feb 2010
                    • 2180

                    #24
                    I didn’t want to sound like the wowser so I wasn’t going to comment further on this topic but you prise open my mouth.

                    Several years ago an aunty of mine had flooding in her house due to block street drains in an extremely heavy down pour. A few houses in her neighbourhood got flooded. She went away and left everything to her insurance company. Sometime later the house looked better than it was and sold it for more than it was originally valued for and bought a newer home in a nicer suburb.

                    Do you think the insurers aren’t paying out for the Queensland floods. They showed some business that had paid contractors working there because it was vital they were up and running sooner. Do you think the salvation army or others haven’t got the contracts to clean up and get paid yet call for volunteers to do the cleaning.

                    On the sunrise program Mel read out messages from people one of the messages was from building workers who were concerned about watching people handling the house debris with only a pair of gloves for safety…no coveralls no face masks and no goggles.

                    She spoke with some so called expert quack who said any home built before 1980 will probably have at least some asbestos. To paraphrase it the asbestos is dangerous if it gets dry and if broken up the tiny fibres float in the air and are inhaled by people.

                    She said to him in an emergency like this what should people do.

                    He replied well I suppose in an emergency you do the best you can.

                    Did anyone supply the vaulters with at least face masks or tell them to bring their own. No.

                    Further a few days ago a quack said when the floods subside people should remember when cleaning a house to make sure you open all the doors and windows to ventilate it as much as possible and to use a face mask because the bacteria in the water could cling to the evaporating water vapour and cause repertory problems. Did anybody tell the valentines.

                    Yesterday Kevin Rudd was admitted to hospital with a foot infection after trudging through the mud.

                    Recently a shop owner somewhere on the way to the university was show on the TV. He was saying how happy he felt when a bunch of university students came to help him clean. An older person who was cleaning was also interviewed and like an idiot said he was a local who did his shopping at this store because it was convenient to him. Like he cant get food anywhere else and for those who cant anyway the shelters are providing meals. Sure risk your health to help the shop owner get his business working sooner so he can charge you more next time...the floods you know have caused huge price rises.

                    In one news report they said the government is concerned about restarting the economy in Brisbane and so is going to buy from local stores what they need…ahhh did anyone ask where these stores going to get their goods to sell considering their goods were wiped out in the flood…oh yeah the government is going to buy a shovel and broom at the retail price from freds store which fred is going to order from the factory miles away instead of the government going directly to suppliers and demanding a huge discount. Why not…poor fred would miss out on his profit even though he has income protection and stock insurance and you tax dollar is doing a good deed.

                    The priority is to kick-start the economy. F the stupid sucks who might get asbestos or bugs in their lungs as a 20 something and die as a 50 something. Hurray for the economy. I’m heading off for Queensland tomorrow to volunteer…aren’t you.

                    The government and uppers have perfected the mugs game. Where do you stand.
                    Last edited by fyrOM; 02-07-2011, 02:58 AM.

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                    • Phoenix
                      Senior Member
                      • Dec 2008
                      • 4671

                      #25
                      Originally posted by Prolet View Post
                      Phoenix, The world is an open economy now and there is no such thing as a conservative economy anymore. Why should we as consumers pay $12 for Bananas when we can get them for $2 a Kilo from Ecuador or Venezuela? The Support for Local Economy schemes died 30 years ago, now its up to the consumer to choose what they prefer to buy and how they are willing to spend their money. Why should we have to pay 5 times more for prices just because they are produced in some outback village of Australia? Every economy in the world has to deal with the same situation, the Australian Economy is no different.

                      As for Croatia and the EU, well they need to lift their standards and get certain certification in order to be competitive on the EU market, its much better to sell to an EU market of over 300 million compared to just selling on the Croatia market which is just over 4 million. The Croatians can easily apply for EU grants and their Government can help finance the Zemjodelci with subsidies like what our Government is doing in Stari Kraj, there is nothing wrong with lifting the standards and investing in technology in order to produce a better quality product.
                      Prolet, you're paying $2 a kilo for bananas because in most cases they're shit, whilst our good quality produce is sent overseas...that's what the global economy does.
                      In Australia we have some of the best seafood of anywhere in the world, especially anything coming from Tasmania and its clean waters but most of that stuff gets exported.

                      A local seafood supplier in my town runs quite a successful import/export seafood business, recently he was in China negotiating a contract to import prawns into Australia, by his own admission the prawns are pretty ordinary but are a fraction of the price of local (Australian) prawns...his justification is that all of his competitors are doing likewise (importing the Chinese product), now this might be the world economy in motion but the reality is that the imported chinese prawns wont be sold to the Australian consumer for a tenth of the price that they were purchased for compared to Australian prawns but will carry a premium price for an inferior product.

                      You might think this is all good and well and you'll become accustomed to paying top price for shit products and you'll never understand the difference between good and bad...

                      Consumers need to make a stand otherwise we will continue to be served up shit and we'll be paying for it through our noses...

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                      • Prolet
                        Senior Member
                        • Sep 2009
                        • 5241

                        #26
                        Phoenix, They are very good no doubt i've tried them myself so if there are no Bananas available and if they cost an arm and a leg then i dont see why we should have to suffer the consequences, business is business. When it comes to seafood im not disputing anything about the product goods that come out of Australia they are great i agree however they dont come at the right price. Its up to the people to decide, if its good for them they'll buy it if its not they wont get it however as consumers we have the right to that option. I think you pretty much answered the question when you mentioned that anything that comes out of Tasmania gets exported overseas while we are left with the 3rd,4th class goods, so on the contrary why do they export the best quality seafood overseas and they import the junk from Asia? Its a very simple answer they get a better price abroad, they know that for the price they are getting overseas nobody in Australia could afford to pay it.

                        I agree with you about the prawns though, but doesnt Australia put all the goods that come into quarantine and examine them whether they are good enough to meet national standards?? This is why you rank the goods, Australian Legislation should determine the prices for the quality of goods that come in. Thats what the ACCC is all about.
                        МАКЕДОНЕЦ си кога кавал ќе ти ја распара душата,зурла ќе ти го раскине срцето,кога секое влакно од кожата ќе ти се наежи кога ќе видиш шеснаесеткрако сонце,кога до коска ќе те заболи кога ќе слушнеш ПЈРМ,кога немаш ни за леб,а полн си во душата затоа што ја сакаш МАКЕДОНИЈА. МАКЕДОНИЈА во срце те носиме.

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                        • Risto the Great
                          Senior Member
                          • Sep 2008
                          • 15660

                          #27
                          Prolet, it is not even about price. I have access to export grade meats through a client of mine involved with the cattle industry. They are quite simply not available for domestic consumption.
                          Risto the Great
                          MACEDONIA:ANHEDONIA
                          "Holding my breath for the revolution."

                          Hey, I wrote a bestseller. Check it out: www.ren-shen.com

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                          • fyrOM
                            Banned
                            • Feb 2010
                            • 2180

                            #28
                            Insurance premiums to rise to cover payouts

                            INSURERS are expected to increase premiums as part of efforts to claw back more than $3 billion in payouts from a string of natural disasters in the past two years.


                            January 14, 2011
                            INSURERS are expected to increase premiums as part of efforts to claw back more than $3 billion in payouts from a string of natural disasters in the past two years.

                            Home and business owners in Queensland's flood zones are set to feel the brunt of rises as big insurers become more discriminatory with their pricing.

                            General insurers have paid out billions of dollars in claims since the start of 2009, in disasters ranging from Victoria's bushfires to freak hailstorms.

                            ''They talk about one-in-a-100-year event,'' said Stuart Alexander, an insurance specialist with consultants Deloitte. ''Well, we had a one-in-a-100-year event in the bushfires, we had a one-in-a-100-year event in the floods in Brisbane, as well as the hailstorms in Perth and Melbourne and the earthquake in Christchurch.''

                            Deloitte estimates car insurance premiums rose 5 per cent last year, while house insurance premiums increased as much as 9 per cent.

                            Insurers have different ways to influence pricing, including adjusting the terms of a specific policy.

                            Insurance executives contacted yesterday said it was too early to predict what the impact flooding would have on premiums.

                            Michael Sherris, head of actuarial studies at the University of NSW's business school, said insurance premiums were likely to rise for all Australians in the wake of the floods, even in areas not prone to flooding, because insurers pool risks by averaging losses across all policyholders.

                            "As supply falls and demand increases, premiums increase,'' Professor Sherris said. ''In this case, demand is increasing due to the catastrophic floods, and supply is falling due to capital constraints on insurers.''

                            For those in areas hit by the torrential rain in Queensland and NSW, homeowners will find their costs rise, he said. "Premiums reflect the underlying risks so that those with houses nearby areas that are now flooded, they will now see they have relatively more expensive insurance."

                            Not all home insurance policies provide cover for flood damage, but most cover storm-related damage.

                            John Price, the insurance ombudsman of the Financial Ombudsman Service, said: ''Where we have an issue is the distinction between the cause of the damage - whether it's a storm event or a flood. The major issue is what got where first and what led to the damage.''

                            Professor Sherris said the type of river overflows experienced in Queensland were not normally covered.

                            Suncorp is the only big insurer to offer specific flood cover on all policies sold under its flagship Suncorp and GIO brands, however it is not automatic under its AAMI policy. Zurich Financial Services also includes flood cover as standard.

                            Insurance Australia Group, which operates under the NRMA and CGU brands in Brisbane does not offer flood cover as standard on its home and business insurance policies.

                            The poor quality and limited coverage of flood mapping across Australia has made many reluctant to offer flood insurance as a standard policy.


                            ''We've been working for some time to ensure we have quality mapping and data to allow us to price flood cover for home and commercial policies fairly, consistently and appropriately in Queensland,'' an IAG spokesman said yesterday. ''Unfortunately, obtaining flood data for Queensland of a satisfactory quality has proven a challenge.''

                            Insurance Australia Group yesterday said it had received about 3600 claims relating to Queensland's wild weather, but it was too early to put an estimate on expected payouts.


                            Get set for the big rise.
                            Food prices…all food prices are set to rise. This has already been announced but not explained why the prices will be every where…do you need three guesses.

                            Petrol…already announced to expect increases in the future. We don’t have any oil fields that I know of in the floods and the dollars still high so why the rise…the oil companies do have ethanol plants which were damaged and also the fields where they get their biomass were destroyed.

                            Car and Building Insurance…The article…above… doesn’t mention reinsurers from overseas are set to increase their premiums due to recent large payouts and will affect all insurance policies not just in Queensland.

                            No mention of the energy companies yet but undoubtable would have had assets destroyed.

                            On a high note with all the above inflationary factors interest rates will probably stay stable.

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                            • julie
                              Senior Member
                              • May 2009
                              • 3869

                              #29
                              Flood cover is discretionary as a result of a natural disaster. If it is a situation where old water pipes burst, they pay out if the policy holder has adequate cover, and by adequate , not under/over insuring, they are sneaky at this.
                              As a result of flooding from creeks, and estuaries, flood insurance amongst most insurance companies is non existent. The insurance company has the discretion at that point to say, if it is as a result of a river or creek overflowing, they will not allow the claim. This had me baulking when I worked in that area awhile ago, and they may also declare the disaster an "act of God" whereby they walk away without forking out a red cent.
                              "The moral revolution - the revolution of the mind, heart and soul of an enslaved people, is our greatest task."__________________Gotse Delchev

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                              • fyrOM
                                Banned
                                • Feb 2010
                                • 2180

                                #30
                                PS…in this mornings news there was talk that many policy holders had storm cover and not flood cover and might have a battle on their hands or miss out altogether from their insurer. Further should insurers be made to make ex gratia payouts in these cases and to eliminate future confusion…as if there was any…on flood cover should all insurers be made to include mandatory flood cover. This is a ridiculous proposition as you may have noted in the news reports of the floods that many areas where people were living were flood prone areas and some people could not get flood cover…and I strongly suspect this and or those who could get flood cover were quoted a hefty premium is the reason many only had storm cover…so to make it a mandatory cover in all policies would shift the burden to all policy holders. Derr…your stupid enough to buy a house in a flood plain and you want everyone else to cover you year after year. This then raises the other issue of why are there houses in a flood plain and this was mentioned in the morning news as to why councils had issued building permits and hence are they responsible…ie can we sue them for people who cannot get restitution from their insurers ect…can you imagine councils going belly up or being bailed out by the state or federal government which means one more to our list of Get ready for the rises…higher taxes or reduced services.

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