Albanianization in Macedonia

[Niko777]

The mayor of Skopje (from DPMNE) Koce Trajanovski loves taking selfies in front of the new mosaic...

[Risto the Great]

Only in FYROM

[Niko777]

Skopje's new Skenderbeg square, located in the center of the city, designed and funded by the Gruevski government.

[Niko777]

New mosques (and Albanian flags) with extra tall minarets to be seeen from all directions in the Prilep region, built during the DPMNE administration. It's funny how thousands of Macedonians from Prilep came out to protest against Zaev and the Tirana Platform, but they completely IGNORED this...

[Stojacanec]

Doesn't affect me lol are you kidding? My wife is from Struga, I refuse to go to her parents house because it make my blood boil walking through Struga.

I think you misunderstand. We should be outraged about walking through a village and seeing nothing but Albanian flags, but punishing some shiptar at the market for selling them amounts to nothing.

Our anger needs to be directed at our leaders and ourselves for not creating and supporting a strong national sentiment. Like I said, how can I get made at an Albanian for being proud of their heritage while my own ilk is too stupid to know that the ventilator is not a Macedonian flag. Maybe if Macedonians were better at actually being Macedonians, then Albanians might not be such a factor.

I think we are on the same page with all this. My auntie is from Struga. I visited there a couple of times. I had a run in with their neighbour who was a Shiptar. I can see your angst about going there.

[Gocka]

Doesn't affect me lol are you kidding? My wife is from Struga, I refuse to go to her parents house because it make my blood boil walking through Struga.

I think you misunderstand. We should be outraged about walking through a village and seeing nothing but Albanian flags, but punishing some shiptar at the market for selling them amounts to nothing.

Our anger needs to be directed at our leaders and ourselves for not creating and supporting a strong national sentiment. Like I said, how can I get made at an Albanian for being proud of their heritage while my own ilk is too stupid to know that the ventilator is not a Macedonian flag. Maybe if Macedonians were better at actually being Macedonians, then Albanians might not be such a factor.

Gocka, I agree that the problem starts at the top. Flying a foreign flag in government buildings should be illegal but it is tolerated in a Macedonian Parliament.

My issue is the dysfunctional behaviour in the government filters through to the behaviour of the common person.

I am merely expressing my discontent at the idea of walking through a town or village only to be greeted by a sea of red Albanian flags. It would make me check if I was in the right country.

If that doesn't affect you, then you are better than me for it.

[Stojacanec]

At what point and at what quantity is it alarming and how do you stamp out the lawful selling of what is a piece of cloth with an ugly bird on it? Do you also stamp out the selling of football team flags, or flags of other random countries? What do you hope to gain by stamping it out? By denying Albanians access to Albanian flags what does that change about Albanian ambitions other than make them stronger?

Its what they do with them that matters. It should be illegal to fly the flag of a FOREIGN country at government buildings. It should be illegal to fly a FOREIGN flag anywhere with out the presence of the domestic flag. It should be illegal to take down the domestic flag and replace it with a FOREIGN one. The reason that i emphasize foreign is because the real problem is that Albanians do not comprehend that the Albanian flag is the flag of a FOREIGN country, that is a real territory with real army and government. Replacing a domestic flag with a foreign one amounts to an act of treason.

Another question that we ought to be ask is: Why do Albanians in Macedonia have such respect for a foreign flag, while Macedonians are to stupid or too scared to fly their REAL flag? Maybe if Macedonians had the same regard for their own REAL flag and actually had a sense of national pride, then maybe that would counteract Albanization.

Pretending like we could or even whether its okay to somehow stop Albanians from being Albanian is just plain stupid.

They are not the problem, they were never the problem. Macedonians are the problem, our lack of tenacity and ability to run a country the size of a city give way for Albanians to act the way they do.

Gocka, I agree that the problem starts at the top. Flying a foreign flag in government buildings should be illegal but it is tolerated in a Macedonian Parliament.

My issue is the dysfunctional behaviour in the government filters through to the behaviour of the common person.

I am merely expressing my discontent at the idea of walking through a town or village only to be greeted by a sea of red Albanian flags. It would make me check if I was in the right country.

If that doesn't affect you, then you are better than me for it.

[Gocka]

At what point and at what quantity is it alarming and how do you stamp out the lawful selling of what is a piece of cloth with an ugly bird on it? Do you also stamp out the selling of football team flags, or flags of other random countries? What do you hope to gain by stamping it out? By denying Albanians access to Albanian flags what does that change about Albanian ambitions other than make them stronger?

Its what they do with them that matters. It should be illegal to fly the flag of a FOREIGN country at government buildings. It should be illegal to fly a FOREIGN flag anywhere with out the presence of the domestic flag. It should be illegal to take down the domestic flag and replace it with a FOREIGN one. The reason that i emphasize foreign is because the real problem is that Albanians do not comprehend that the Albanian flag is the flag of a FOREIGN country, that is a real territory with real army and government. Replacing a domestic flag with a foreign one amounts to an act of treason.

Another question that we ought to be ask is: Why do Albanians in Macedonia have such respect for a foreign flag, while Macedonians are to stupid or too scared to fly their REAL flag? Maybe if Macedonians had the same regard for their own REAL flag and actually had a sense of national pride, then maybe that would counteract Albanization.

Pretending like we could or even whether its okay to somehow stop Albanians from being Albanian is just plain stupid.

They are not the problem, they were never the problem. Macedonians are the problem, our lack of tenacity and ability to run a country the size of a city give way for Albanians to act the way they do.

The pictures in the market place are not a silly or irrelevant issue to discuss. People can hold up, buy and sell their own national flags, naturally.

The thing that makes this relevant is a question of degree. The amount of Albanian flags being sold and displayed in Macedonia is alarming.

It needs to be stamped out.

[Stojacanec]

The soldiers that the user posted in the pics above (doing the eagle with fingers) were imprisoned for 2 months. I think.

So he just proved your point.

My point has not been proven. Show me a picture of a market place in Athens or Solun for example, where only Albanian flags are being sold, then we'll talk.

[Stojacanec]

Parts of this thread are kind of silly. Are we supposed to flip a shit because some random squip is trying to sell Albanian flags at a market? Or because some random squip is holding up an Albanian flag in some random place. Those petty nuisances are a distraction from what the real issues and problems are.

Should Macedonians in Aegean Pirin, Australia, USA, or wherever else be banned from waving the Macedonian flag, or being able to sell one to someone else? If the answer is no then a lot of this thread is contradictory and hypocritical.

You can expect to stop Albanians from being Albanian. The outrage needs to be directed at their leaders and our own leaders and the institutions they lead, not some random schmuck.

If our leaders stood up for the identity of our state, then Albanians also wouldn't be so inclined to challenge the identity of our state.

Macedonians need go learn to act accordingly, with measured and thought out responses. Sometimes we play right into the ugly chauvinistic Slav stereotype.

The pictures in the market place are not a silly or irrelevant issue to discuss. People can hold up, buy and sell their own national flags, naturally.

The thing that makes this relevant is a question of degree. The amount of Albanian flags being sold and displayed in Macedonia is alarming.

It needs to be stamped out.

[tchaiku]

I don't mean the nationalism in their private quarters. I mean the stands set up in the public market places....

The soldiers that the user posted in the pics above (doing the eagle with fingers) were imprisoned for 2 months. I think.

So he just proved your point.

[Gocka]

Now this is the kind of bullshit that Macedonians need to not only be outraged by, but also demand that there are consequences and measures put in place to stop it from happening.

Literally every other flag i the room is further forward than the "Macedonian" flag. This is not an accident but an intentional provocation and display of superiority.

This is where the state has failed miserably. This type of intentional provocation in all normal places on earth would be met with outrage and swift denouncement at least.

In the US technically by law but not enforced, no other flag can fly above or on the same level as the US flag. No foreign flag can be flown with out the US flag also being flown either higher, or by being larger.

Who am I kidding, lets figure out what to do about the UCK memorials first, then maybe we can get to this stuff.

Here's something for our dear friend Albo here.
This was taken at DUI's HQ in Tetovo prior to Carl Bilt's visit today.
Since you always whine like Rodney Dangerfield that you (your people) get no respect, explain this image to me.

Behold, a ruling political party in Macedonia's press release stage.
On the stage there is the party flag and... wait for it... the Albanian flag.
On it's left, one can again see the same combo, while on the right lined up are the flags of NATO, EU, USA and Kosovo.
And behind them, way in the background is the only Macedonian flag in the room, the flag of the country where this stage is located and who's owners have been co-running it for how much, 10 - 15 years in total now?

I am very keen to read your opinion about this.
Let me guess, the evil Macedonians are banning the repressed Albanians from showing their love towards the country they live in, right?
Have the below image in mind next time you whine about Albanians in Macedonia.

[DraganOfStip]

Here's something for our dear friend Albo here.
This was taken at DUI's HQ in Tetovo prior to Carl Bilt's visit today.
Since you always whine like Rodney Dangerfield that you (your people) get no respect, explain this image to me.

Behold, a ruling political party in Macedonia's press release stage.
On the stage there is the party flag and... wait for it... the Albanian flag.
On it's left, one can again see the same combo, while on the right lined up are the flags of NATO, EU, USA and Kosovo.
And behind them, way in the background is the only Macedonian flag in the room, the flag of the country where this stage is located and who's owners have been co-running it for how much, 10 - 15 years in total now?

I am very keen to read your opinion about this.
Let me guess, the evil Macedonians are banning the repressed Albanians from showing their love towards the country they live in, right?
Have the below image in mind next time you whine about Albanians in Macedonia.

[Gocka]

Parts of this thread are kind of silly. Are we supposed to flip a shit because some random squip is trying to sell Albanian flags at a market? Or because some random squip is holding up an Albanian flag in some random place. Those petty nuisances are a distraction from what the real issues and problems are.

Should Macedonians in Aegean Pirin, Australia, USA, or wherever else be banned from waving the Macedonian flag, or being able to sell one to someone else? If the answer is no then a lot of this thread is contradictory and hypocritical.

You can expect to stop Albanians from being Albanian. The outrage needs to be directed at their leaders and our own leaders and the institutions they lead, not some random schmuck.

If our leaders stood up for the identity of our state, then Albanians also wouldn't be so inclined to challenge the identity of our state.

Macedonians need go learn to act accordingly, with measured and thought out responses. Sometimes we play right into the ugly chauvinistic Slav stereotype.

[Stojacanec]

Actually, these pictures are from Greece (not sure about the first one).

I don't mean the nationalism in their private quarters. I mean the stands set up in the public market places....