Albanianization in Macedonia

[Pelagonija]

Very interesting statistics..

Albo could you please provide statistics regarding origin of birth for Albanian parents in MKD. What are the percentage of Albanian parents born in Kosovo or Albania?.

Whilst I believe MKD will ultimately become a bi national state, the Albanians are masters of manipulation when it comes to statistics. Look at pristina, the Albanians harped on about how it had a population of 600 000 people yet when they did the census they only counted 198000 "officially".

Albanians have been immigrating to the Vardar for over two hundred years now. This started with the Ottomans encouraging Muslim Albanians to settle in Christian areas. Otherwise how else can you explain that Albanians in Albania are %35 Christian yet in Kosovo and MKD the Albanians are %99 Muslim.

[Starling]

Still chafes while it's happening though and indicates a very obvious flaw in current voting regulations. Good to hear demographics won't support it though.

[mklion]

And then they come back during elections solely to tip the votes in a country they don't even live in because politics.

Only in kichevo. The good thing is however right now in kichevo municipality school age students are approximately 50/50 Macedonian and Albanian. In the future kichevo will return to having a Macedonian mayor when voter rolls are cleaned up.

[Starling]

And then they come back during elections solely to tip the votes in a country they don't even live in because politics.

[mklion]

I belive your mistaken... your adding the total number of births in the Skopje region twice.. plus the chart I posted only shows western Macedonian municipalities... not the total population

Why did you take the table down? LoL

Im going to break your heart again.

Albanians have made up 30% of births in Macedonia for the past 20-30 years. The absolute maximum capacity they can reach in the republic is 30% of the country. That's it, they can never reach even one percent higher. The issue with them is that their emigration numbers are too high. They will never be able to "out breed" Macedonians and become a majority.

Approximately 3-4000 Albanians emigrate from Macedonia a year. How do we know this? We know this from the decrease of Albanian students in primary and lower secondary school numbers. Dont believe me? Here are the stats. The Albanian student population over the past 10 years has collapsed by almost 25% at a rate much faster than the Macedonian student population. We know Albanians have more kids than Macedonians do on averaGe, so why the decline? EMIGRATION = BYE BYE ILIRIA

Macedonian primary school students
2006/2007: 122,016 = 53,4% share of the total
2007/2008: 118,507 = 53,6%
2008/2009: 115,605 = 53,7%
2009/2010: 112,293 = 53,7%
2010/2011: 109,765 = 54,3%
2011/2012: 107,564 = 54,3%
2012/2013: 105,648 = 54.35%
2013/2014: 104,254 = 54.7%
2014/2015: 103,036 = 54,7%
2015/2016: 102,644 = 55.4%

15.8% DECREASE in 10 years

Albanian primary school students
2006/2007: 78,467 = 34,3% share of the total
2007/2008: 75,141 = 34,0%
2008/2009: 72,570 = 33,7%
2009/2010: 69,922 = 33,4%
2010/2011: 66,156 = 32,7%
2011/2012: 65,085 = 32,8%
2012/2013: 63,483 = 32,71%
2013/2014: 62,118 = 32,6%
2014/2015: 62,012 = 32,9%
2015/2016: 60,127 = 32,4%


23.4% DECREASE in 10 years

[Albo]

I belive your mistaken... your adding the total number of births in the Skopje region twice.. plus the chart I posted only shows western Macedonian municipalities... not the total population

[Liberator of Makedonija]

LFMAO FAAKEEE NEWSSS

Macedonia publishes very good statistics on births related to ethnic affiliation every year in their online "Macedonia in Figures" publications.

http://www.stat.gov.mk/Publikacii/MakBrojki2017_en.pdf

You can download this and look on page 14 and you will find this chart for live births in 2016.






Im going to make this easy for you. See the number I circled in red? Those are Albanian births where both mother and father are Albanian.

There were 11561 Macedonian and 7108 Albanian births in the country for 2016.


From your Fake News chart if you add up the 2016 births that's 10286 Macedonian births and 9980 Albanian births

Why would anyone believe your fake news over official Macedonian Statistics?

Our "official" Macedonian statistics also claim Albanians make up 25% of the population too.

[mklion]

Found this on an Albanian forum .. some interesting data on births in western Macedonia between Albanians and Macedonians.. these numbers obviously change due to migration both in and out of the county as years pass..

Don't know how correct they are .. but I belive its a good basis for discussion..(the forum has been a little slow of late)

Sorry I know its in Albanian..

LFMAO FAAKEEE NEWSSS

Macedonia publishes very good statistics on births related to ethnic affiliation every year in their online "Macedonia in Figures" publications.

http://www.stat.gov.mk/Publikacii/MakBrojki2017_en.pdf

You can download this and look on page 14 and you will find this chart for live births in 2016.






Im going to make this easy for you. See the number I circled in red? Those are Albanian births where both mother and father are Albanian.

There were 11561 Macedonian and 7108 Albanian births in the country for 2016.


From your Fake News chart if you add up the 2016 births that's 10286 Macedonian births and 9980 Albanian births

Why would anyone believe your fake news over official Macedonian Statistics?

[Albo]

Found this on an Albanian forum .. some interesting data on births in western Macedonia between Albanians and Macedonians.. these numbers obviously change due to migration both in and out of the county as years pass..

Don't know how correct they are .. but I belive its a good basis for discussion..(the forum has been a little slow of late)

Sorry I know its in Albanian..

[maco2envy]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world...1ed_story.html

Albanian mayor arrested in Macedonia vote-fraud probe


One word ... CENSUS

If I'm not mistaken, Edmond did heavily contribute for the representation of Macedonians in Albania. Arresting this man is a disgrace to the country. I'm sure our yurt dwelling neighbors had advised SDS to this...

[Albo]

Hi all.. I'm backk.. )
Been away, hope you all didn't miss me too much..

In response to this article.. its a total fabrication and lie.. there is no proof whatsoever that the people who ahve arrived to vote aren't from Kicevo..

It refers to an article from tetovasot.com that doesn't exist..
I've searched the site and these are some of the articles that have been posted regarding the arrival of people to vote!

You will need to use Google translate:

THOUSANDS OF KICOVARAS ARRIVE FOR DEHARI, DEHARI GRERTS THEM WITH TEARS IN HIS EYES!

http://www.tetovasot.com/2017/10/me-mijera-kercovoare-arriten-per-deharin-dehari-i-pret-me-lot-ne-sy-video/

MINISTER BEKTESHI GREETS 700 EXPATS FROM SWITZERLAND

http://www.tetovasot.com/2017/10/ministri-bekteshi-pret-mbi-700-mergimtare-te-zvicres-per-fatmir-deharin-foto/

TWO SHIPS ARRIVE IN DURRES FROM ITALY FOR DEHARI

http://www.tetovasot.com/2017/10/dy-anije-arrijne-ne-durres-vijne-mergimtaret-nga-italia-ne-kercove-per-fatmir-deharin/

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Video of the arrive of some of the kicevo diaspora:

http://kercovanews.com/2017/10/14/arritja-e-mergimtarve-ne-kercove-video/

http://kercovanews.com/2017/10/14/arrijne-mergata-kercovare-nga-zvicra-video-te-momentit-2/

Others have arrived on charted flights from around europe and the USA.

[Starling]

I'd like the names of every single election monitor that's in on this.

[vicsinad]

If true, then....well, it wouldn't be shocking. It would be shocking if this was not true.

Massive Election Fraud in Macedonian town of Kichevo as over 6000 Illegal voters arrive
Sunday, 15 October 2017

Dozens of buses have arrived from multiple countries organized by Macedonia's DUI, the junior partner in the Government led by Zaev.

According to our police sources in Kichevo, confirmed by video evidence, the local police has been ordered to stand down and allow this massive electoral fraud to proceed unimpeded.

Many of the people bused to Kichevo are not Macedonian citizens, but residents of Kosovo who live in Switzerland, Germany etc.

Even Albanian language portal Tetova Sot states that many of these "migrants" as it calles them have no Macedonian identification papers of any kind and have never been to Macedonia before!

So far, over 6,000 illegal voters have arrived, which is 16% of the total population of the city. The numbers will only grow tomorrow as some buses have yet to arrive in the country.

Kichevo has a population of 25,000 residents out of which 17,000 are Macedonians, yet the mayor is ethnic Albanian thanks to the inclusion of the village of Zajas (5,000) within the city's newly expanded borders, and the thousands of illegal voters who arrive during each election cycle.

This massive election fraud is happening in front of the eyes of Macedonian election "monitors" and foreign ones, such as OSCE.

http://macedoniaonline.eu/content/view/32681/2/

[Liberator of Makedonija]

Just give them the rights and change the name to Shkupi....soon to please them even more they'll change the name of the airport to Aerodom Ali Ahmeti..

Is there anyone in the Fyromian Parliament with a patriotic bone in their body??? They're making the prostitutes in Australia we call politicians look like angels...

Not many politicians that aren't willing to sell out for $$$. Considering that RoM isn't a very wealthy country either it's fair to say pretty much ever polly in parliament is susceptiable to being bought-out.

[Odi Zvezdo]

Serving the people

Just give them the rights and change the name to Shkupi....soon to please them even more they'll change the name of the airport to Aerodom Ali Ahmeti..

Is there anyone in the Fyromian Parliament with a patriotic bone in their body??? They're making the prostitutes in Australia we call politicians look like angels...