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  • Makedonetz
    Senior Member
    • Apr 2010
    • 1080

    Billion euros invested in radical Islam

    To build a mosque takes more than a million euros. Only the minaret seems to between 50 and 60 thousand euros. Only the minaret seems to between 50 and 60 thousand euros. The price depends on the materials used in construction. The price depends on the materials used in construction. There are mosques that were spent and over two million



    More than 300 mosques have been built in Macedonia in the past ten years. Only in the capital and its surroundings has a dozen new mosques, often without the approval of construction and without complete documentation necessary for the facility to be legal. Only in the capital and its surroundings has a dozen new mosques, often without the approval of construction and without complete documentation necessary for the facility to be legal. Expansion of building mosques is obvious in western Macedonia and in the northern parts of the country, but last year built around Stip and Valandovo. Expansion of building mosques is obvious in western Macedonia and in the northern parts of the country, but last year built around Stip and Valandovo.

    When you drive by car from exit of Skopje to Tetovo, Gostivar, Kicevo, Ohrid till each subsequent journey you can see ponekoe new minaret of a place where there was previously. The largest amounts of funding construction of mosques, our research shows, often entering Kosovo through the airport, as well as Bulgaria and Turkey.

    Who gives money to the mosque is not nebiten data, for which he donated to its construction and later had an impact on it. But such data is difficult to outline. But such data is difficult to outline.

    Sunnis, Shiites, SUFISTI

    Islam is practiced in several variants, each of which has significant theological and legal differences, but basically all have the same basic belief. The main branches are sunizmot, and shiitizmot sufizmot, is considered a mystical version of Islam.

    Sunnis are believers of Islam, who belong to many Muslims. The word derives from "sune" which means "book and words", which refers to the words of the Prophet Muhammad. The word derives from "sune" which means "book and words", which refers to the words of the Prophet Muhammad. Therefore, the Sunnis are followers of the book of laws and recognized four religious schools: Hanafi, Maliki, Shafi and Hanbali. Therefore, the Sunnis are followers of the book of laws and recognized four religious schools: Hanafi, Maliki, Shafi and Hanbali. Today about 1.5 billion Muslims are Sunnis, who represent 85 percent of this population. Today about 1.5 billion Muslims are Sunnis, who represent 85 percent of this population. Dominant in all Muslim countries, except Iran, Iraq, Lebanon, Bahrain and Azerbaijan.

    Saudi Arabia - MAIN Financed

    According to unofficial sources, the most money to build mosques come from Arab states, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Qatar and Egypt. Officially, however, most money paid by the Government of Saudi Arabia. Officially, however, most money paid by the Government of Saudi Arabia. The money was originally intended to open schools and to promote religion, and the pilgrimage to Mecca and Medina. The money was originally intended to open schools and to promote religion, and the pilgrimage to Mecca and Medina. Ten years ago the state of pilgrimage pilgrims off a bus, which means up to 50 people from Macedonia, and the last few years of time off from 25 to 30 buses.
    According to official information of the Islamic religious community, the shipping for these believers is paying the Government of Saudi Arabia, whose population of 97 per cent (and 25 million people) is a Muslim. The list of countries that are the main financiers of mosques in Macedonia, as we learn, are Qatar, Kuwait, Malaysia, Libya and Egypt.

    Turkish investments

    Recep Tayyip Erdogan, as mayor of Istanbul in 1997, said: "The mosques are our barracks, domes are our helmets, our minarinjata the bayonet, and believers are our soldiers." For this sentence, he was convicted of hate speech, and instead of nine months, served four. For this sentence, he was convicted of hate speech, and instead of nine months, served four. Turkish Agency for Cooperation and Development (Ticau as) financed the reconstruction of Mustafapashinata mosque. Turkish Agency for Cooperation and Development (Ticau as) financed the reconstruction of Mustafapashinata mosque. According to unofficial information, all firms to apply a public tender for the construction or reconstruction of an object, later becoming donors of money entering the country the same way as in Bosnia and Herzegovina, southern Bulgaria, Chechnya and Azerbaijan in Uzbekistan , Kyrgyzstan and Kazakhstan. According to unofficial information, all firms to apply a public tender for the construction or reconstruction of an object,
    later becoming donors of money entering the country the same way as in Bosnia and Herzegovina, southern Bulgaria, Chechnya and Azerbaijan in Uzbekistan, Kyrgyzstan and Kazakhstan.

    Way of the Illegal Money

    According to the sources of the "Nova Makedonija, the largest amounts of money that financed construction of mosques illegally entering, and that most of Kosovo airport or through Bulgaria and Turkey. Many foreign NGOs want to register in the country are the main promoters of Islam, and some of them are engaged to hold lectures on the faithful, or to conduct preaching radical Islam. Many foreign NGOs want to register in the country are the main promoters of Islam, and some of them are engaged to hold lectures on the faithful, or to conduct preaching radical Islam.

    The accounts of the humanitarian organizations can not rolling in cash money, and their use for the construction of mosques and print materials that preach Islam can easily be discovered. According to experts, the greatest threat to a company registered in Macedonian Albanians are engaged in printing books and CD materials. According to experts, the greatest threat to a company registered in Macedonian Albanians are engaged in printing books and CD materials. Their accounts in banks are shifting money whose origin is difficult to reveal. Their accounts in banks are shifting money whose origin is difficult to reveal.

    Islamic charities operating in the country and who contacted admitted that their main activity is to separate money primarily for helping poor people, as well as funding of education. Our main goal, they say, is humanity, not funding for the construction of religious buildings or expansion of Islam, because it is contrary to Islamic religious learning, where mostly all be City and dressed, and can pray before religious objects. Our main goal, they say, is humanity, not funding for the construction of religious buildings or spread of Islam, because it is contrary to Islamic religious learning, where mostly all be City and dressed, and can pray before religious objects.






    Looks like this is a lending hand to Albanians to cause some stirring in Macedonia. Its great we promote Democracy but these Minority's (Albanians) appear to have another agenda with the Mosques.

    Onur what is your take on this news.
    Makedoncite se borat
    za svoite pravdini!

    "The one who works for joining of Macedonia to Bulgaria,Greece or Serbia can consider himself as a good Bulgarian, Greek or Serb, but not a good Macedonian"
    - Goce Delchev
  • Onur
    Senior Member
    • Apr 2010
    • 2389

    #2
    As far as i understood from the article(i think it`s google translation), it only mentions about Turkish investments for the reconstruction of historical Ottoman Empire buildings. I personally see them as an historical monument, not as a mosque. So, these mosques made by our ancestors at several 100s years ago and it`s perfectly fine for me to Turkey spending money for it`s reconstruction.

    But for the Arab money, we suffer similar problem in Turkey atm. They invest billions of dollars in Turkey too and lots of people are really disturbed about this. They are trying to manipulate people and convert Turkish way of Islam to make it like Wahhabi Arabs. I believe in my own people tough, so this doesn't concern me much. Arabs will never succeed in Turkey but this wont make them stop trying either.


    You should be careful for Arabian influence too. On the other hand, i can never accept something like Turkey trying to invest Macedonia in the name of Islamic propaganda! No one can do that in Turkey since it`s against the 87 year old constitution of it since 1923. Even our current conservative ruling party of "Erdogan" cannot do something like that or he faces trials and goes to court again like he gone at 1997 as the article mentions. It`s something impossible to do here.

    Also you should realize the difference between the reconstruction of historical monuments with investing money to build new mosques in the name of Islamic propaganda.
    Last edited by Onur; 07-06-2010, 03:45 PM.

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    • Prolet
      Senior Member
      • Sep 2009
      • 5241

      #3
      I know that in Skopje next to Kale the Mustafa Pasha Mosque is being financed by the Turkish Government this is close to the Turkish Embassy however this Mosque has been around for centuries and its a legal one since its being renovated and i think its completed now,Skopje and Istanbul are sister cities the Mayor of Istanbul spent over 1 million euros on renovating the Stone Bridge.

      Onur, It seems that Turkey has blocked all its airspace for Israel, are the tensions rising there?
      МАКЕДОНЕЦ си кога кавал ќе ти ја распара душата,зурла ќе ти го раскине срцето,кога секое влакно од кожата ќе ти се наежи кога ќе видиш шеснаесеткрако сонце,кога до коска ќе те заболи кога ќе слушнеш ПЈРМ,кога немаш ни за леб,а полн си во душата затоа што ја сакаш МАКЕДОНИЈА. МАКЕДОНИЈА во срце те носиме.

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      • Makedonetz
        Senior Member
        • Apr 2010
        • 1080

        #4
        I concur the Mosques are beutiful and a part of our history. Its just disturbing that outside influnces of Islamic ties are trying once agian to grip the minds of people. I feel the Albanians are falling or have fallen to the dark side ways Were seeing signs of it now with the terroist attacks in Tetovo and near it. Its becoming like The small concentration of Albanians who look towards Islamic prefixtures were like the Sudetenlands(germans) in the Czech Rep.
        Makedoncite se borat
        za svoite pravdini!

        "The one who works for joining of Macedonia to Bulgaria,Greece or Serbia can consider himself as a good Bulgarian, Greek or Serb, but not a good Macedonian"
        - Goce Delchev

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        • Onur
          Senior Member
          • Apr 2010
          • 2389

          #5
          Originally posted by Makedonetz View Post
          I concur the Mosques are beutiful and a part of our history.

          I am glad to hear that.

          We feel same about all the churches here in Turkey. We also spend millions of Euros for the reconstruction of those and unfortunately EU doesn't help us at all as they do for Greece even tough we got 3x more Roman and Byzantine historical monuments in Turkey then Greece. You know, all the leaders of EU says that their culture started with Romans and Greeks but they don't give us even 1 penny for reconstruction of these 1000s of monuments. They give billions more to Greece, so they can break more dishes at taverns. In short, we do it with our own money and ofc we got many more Ottoman era monuments to deal with as well, both in Turkey, middle-east and Balkans





          Originally posted by Prolet View Post
          Onur, It seems that Turkey has blocked all its airspace for Israel, are the tensions rising there?

          Turkey only blocked the airspace for Israeli military flights, not for civilians but they learned this news in hard way. According to the newspapers, few days ago, Israeli jet pilot asked for our permission to use our mediterranean airfield between Cyprus to Turkey coasts just to get pass in few minutes and it seems that Turkish officials told him to go away immediately because it`s not permitted for Israeli pilots to use our airfield anymore. Then, Israeli government sent a message to us that if Turkey closes the airfield for Israeli civilians too, then they can consider this as an hostile behavior, blah blah... The situation becomes more ridicules everyday since i believe neither our nor Israeli ruling parties have a common sense currently. Both are idiots.

          The tension was already high and it couldn't be higher than that but there is a common consensus in Turkey these days that our current stupid conservative ruling party playing his last cards by abusing the events with Israel and using those for internal affairs to be able to gain some points in the upcoming elections because they know that they will lose at the elections.

          As for the Israel - Turkey relations; I don't think it can be fixed as long as conservative rightist Mr. Erdogan and far rightist Nethenyahu coalition stays as ruling parties in Turkey and Israel. So, the tension will remain high for some time. Most likely, there will be changes in government at April 2011 in Turkey and hopefully we will get rid of Mr. Erdogan but i don't know much about Israeli politics. I hope they will get rid of their current government too since they were crazy enough to order commandos to kill people on the international waters and i think they have some bigger crazy plans against Iran too. These fanatical Jews are not good for region`s future.
          Last edited by Onur; 07-06-2010, 08:01 PM.

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          • Serdarot
            Member
            • Feb 2010
            • 605

            #6
            Originally posted by Makedonetz View Post
            ...

            Looks like this is a lending hand to Albanians to cause some stirring in Macedonia. Its great we promote Democracy but these Minority's (Albanians) appear to have another agenda with the Mosques.
            ...
            hint: your text is full of repeated sentences, one time is enough, it will do the work, some of us can not be programed even if you write it 1 000 000 times

            further:

            the Albanians from Albania, and Macedonian + Kosovo Shiptari are the worst Muslims in the World.

            they are swearing and insulting Ristos (Jesus) and his Mother.

            it is a "deadly sin" in Islam, actualy, if you don´t believe in Jesus, you can NOT be a Muslim

            they are adoring George W. Bush , they kiss his posters and pray in front of his picture of the American Flag, etc, etc... also "deadly sin" in Islam (it is precise writen that you should pray ONLY to God, and not to some posters or flags...)

            so, they are building Mosques only to get more help for their other purposes, to get better drug connections, to get good channels for weapons, etc, etc...

            obusing money donated from some good believers.

            they should be persecuted by the state oficials, and surely they will pay their evil dids when they stand in front of St. Peter
            Bratot:
            Никој не е вечен, а каузава не е нова само е адаптирана на новите услови и ќе се пренесува и понатаму.

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            • Makedonetz
              Senior Member
              • Apr 2010
              • 1080

              #7
              Originally posted by Serdarot View Post
              hint: your text is full of repeated sentences, one time is enough, it will do the work, some of us can not be programed even if you write it 1 000 000 times

              further:

              the Albanians from Albania, and Macedonian + Kosovo Shiptari are the worst Muslims in the World.

              they are swearing and insulting Ristos (Jesus) and his Mother.

              it is a "deadly sin" in Islam, actualy, if you don´t believe in Jesus, you can NOT be a Muslim

              they are adoring George W. Bush , they kiss his posters and pray in front of his picture of the American Flag, etc, etc... also "deadly sin" in Islam (it is precise writen that you should pray ONLY to God, and not to some posters or flags...)

              so, they are building Mosques only to get more help for their other purposes, to get better drug connections, to get good channels for weapons, etc, etc...

              obusing money donated from some good believers.

              they should be persecuted by the state oficials, and surely they will pay their evil dids when they stand in front of St. Peter
              Apologies Sedarot when i was copying and pasting it was duplicating all the texts for some strange reason. i was using my laptop which is a Mac and i hate this thing so different than a PC
              Makedoncite se borat
              za svoite pravdini!

              "The one who works for joining of Macedonia to Bulgaria,Greece or Serbia can consider himself as a good Bulgarian, Greek or Serb, but not a good Macedonian"
              - Goce Delchev

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              • Makedonetz
                Senior Member
                • Apr 2010
                • 1080

                #8
                Originally posted by Onur View Post
                I am glad to hear that.

                We feel same about all the churches here in Turkey. We also spend millions of Euros for the reconstruction of those and unfortunately EU doesn't help us at all as they do for Greece even tough we got 3x more Roman and Byzantine historical monuments in Turkey then Greece. You know, all the leaders of EU says that their culture started with Romans and Greeks but they don't give us even 1 penny for reconstruction of these 1000s of monuments. They give billions more to Greece, so they can break more dishes at taverns. In short, we do it with our own money and ofc we got many more Ottoman era monuments to deal with as well, both in Turkey, middle-east and Balkans








                Turkey only blocked the airspace for Israeli military flights, not for civilians but they learned this news in hard way. According to the newspapers, few days ago, Israeli jet pilot asked for our permission to use our mediterranean airfield between Cyprus to Turkey coasts just to get pass in few minutes and it seems that Turkish officials told him to go away immediately because it`s not permitted for Israeli pilots to use our airfield anymore. Then, Israeli government sent a message to us that if Turkey closes the airfield for Israeli civilians too, then they can consider this as an hostile behavior, blah blah... The situation becomes more ridicules everyday since i believe neither our nor Israeli ruling parties have a common sense currently. Both are idiots.

                The tension was already high and it couldn't be higher than that but there is a common consensus in Turkey these days that our current stupid conservative ruling party playing his last cards by abusing the events with Israel and using those for internal affairs to be able to gain some points in the upcoming elections because they know that they will lose at the elections.

                As for the Israel - Turkey relations; I don't think it can be fixed as long as conservative rightist Mr. Erdogan and far rightist Nethenyahu coalition stays as ruling parties in Turkey and Israel. So, the tension will remain high for some time. Most likely, there will be changes in government at April 2011 in Turkey and hopefully we will get rid of Mr. Erdogan but i don't know much about Israeli politics. I hope they will get rid of their current government too since they were crazy enough to order commandos to kill people on the international waters and i think they have some bigger crazy plans against Iran too. These fanatical Jews are not good for region`s future.
                Onur one day i want to travel to Turkey and when i do i hope you can give me the privilage to give me a tour of your beutiful country.

                Its odd how much leniency greece has with the EU as they are buddy buddy's with the superpowers that control it. Do you have some pictures of macedonian churches in Turkey? whats the population of Macedonians living there? My mother has been to Ankara & Taskent(Its a heavy turkish population ?) to visit her sister who left after she finished fighting with the macedonians in the civil war.
                Makedoncite se borat
                za svoite pravdini!

                "The one who works for joining of Macedonia to Bulgaria,Greece or Serbia can consider himself as a good Bulgarian, Greek or Serb, but not a good Macedonian"
                - Goce Delchev

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                • Prolet
                  Senior Member
                  • Sep 2009
                  • 5241

                  #9
                  Taskent is in Uzbekistan, alot of Macedonians went there to find refuge after the Greek Civil War.

                  Onur, Whats your opinion about the massive punch up they had in the Isa beg Mosque last week? The Albanians are making a mock out of the rest of the Muslims in Macedonia, they dont even respect eachother for starters.
                  МАКЕДОНЕЦ си кога кавал ќе ти ја распара душата,зурла ќе ти го раскине срцето,кога секое влакно од кожата ќе ти се наежи кога ќе видиш шеснаесеткрако сонце,кога до коска ќе те заболи кога ќе слушнеш ПЈРМ,кога немаш ни за леб,а полн си во душата затоа што ја сакаш МАКЕДОНИЈА. МАКЕДОНИЈА во срце те носиме.

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                  • Onur
                    Senior Member
                    • Apr 2010
                    • 2389

                    #10
                    Originally posted by Makedonetz View Post
                    Onur one day i want to travel to Turkey and when i do i hope you can give me the privilage to give me a tour of your beutiful country.

                    Its odd how much leniency greece has with the EU as they are buddy buddy's with the superpowers that control it. Do you have some pictures of macedonian churches in Turkey? whats the population of Macedonians living there? My mother has been to Ankara & Taskent(Its a heavy turkish population ?) to visit her sister who left after she finished fighting with the macedonians in the civil war.


                    I would love to Makedonetz if you would come close to where i live but a tour of whole Turkey? Mate, i cant promise for that since you know that Turkey is not a small country to do an all around tour easily

                    Btw, JohnMKD was telling me yesterday that he will come to Turkey as well and i gave him my facebook account name so i can help him by giving advices about where to see and where to go. So, i will pm to you my facebook address as well, ok?


                    As for the Macedonian churches, i don't think there is any in Turkey since all the Macedonians who immigrated to Turkey was muslims. It`s not that possible to know the exact number of Macedonian immigrants in Turkey atm but we know that only between 1950s to 1960s, about 200.000 people from current territories of ROM immigrated to Turkey and i heard that 150.000 more came between 1960s to 1990s. These people and their children(most probably above million today) still conserves their Macedonian language and habits unlike the ones who immigrated around the time of Balkan war(like myself, my grandparents could speak Macedonian but not me). Most of them lives in Izmir, Bursa and other Aegean cities of Turkey today.





                    Originally posted by Prolet View Post
                    Taskent is in Uzbekistan, alot of Macedonians went there to find refuge after the Greek Civil War.

                    Onur, Whats your opinion about the massive punch up they had in the Isa beg Mosque last week? The Albanians are making a mock out of the rest of the Muslims in Macedonia, they dont even respect eachother for starters.

                    Taskent, Uzbekistan??? I didn't know that there are Macedonians living in that Turkic country.

                    Whats the incident you talking about? i didn't hear that one. There was a fight between Albanians other muslims in Macedonia?
                    Last edited by Onur; 07-07-2010, 07:35 AM.

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                    • johnMKD
                      Member
                      • Apr 2010
                      • 364

                      #11
                      Originally posted by Onur View Post
                      Btw, JohnMKD was telling me yesterday that he will come to Turkey as well and i gave him my facebook account name so i can help him by giving advices about where to see and where to go. So, i will pm to you my facebook address as well, ok?
                      Thanks very much for this Onur. I really appreciate it. As I told you yesterday, it would be really nice to see Istanbul but also my ancestors villages in Turkey

                      BTW I saw a documentary about Turkish tourism the other day and I have to admit that the beaches there are really amazing!
                      Macedonian and proud!

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                      • Makedonetz
                        Senior Member
                        • Apr 2010
                        • 1080

                        #12
                        Onur i want to visit those turkish bath houses i hear the mineral water is great cleanser. Id love to come to izmir and check it out did a little google earth touring last night and it looks amazing there indeed.

                        Onur my mother's sister she fought in the macedonian regiment during the civil war. She was one hell of a fighter and she suffered a casualty a bullet was loged into her skull mearly missing her brain. She left afterwards to Taskent as at the time her husband was there and their oldest boy. Like i mentioned my mothers biological father was Ponti and he was killed by greek radicles and sent away during the cleansing of Ponti in greece to some camp i dont remember the name. My mother seen her once when she went to visit her in Taskent, but she hasn't see her since, my aunt said she supposidly moved to Ankara Her sister said their were small pockets of macedonians who fled MK and set up like a base camp there in Taskent.
                        Makedoncite se borat
                        za svoite pravdini!

                        "The one who works for joining of Macedonia to Bulgaria,Greece or Serbia can consider himself as a good Bulgarian, Greek or Serb, but not a good Macedonian"
                        - Goce Delchev

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                        • Makedonetz
                          Senior Member
                          • Apr 2010
                          • 1080

                          #13
                          Originally posted by johnMKD View Post
                          Thanks very much for this Onur. I really appreciate it. As I told you yesterday, it would be really nice to see Istanbul but also my ancestors villages in Turkey

                          BTW I saw a documentary about Turkish tourism the other day and I have to admit that the beaches there are really amazing!
                          johnMKD i'll meet yah there and all 3 of us can go get some Sahlep or the famous Efes Pilsen from Izmir
                          Makedoncite se borat
                          za svoite pravdini!

                          "The one who works for joining of Macedonia to Bulgaria,Greece or Serbia can consider himself as a good Bulgarian, Greek or Serb, but not a good Macedonian"
                          - Goce Delchev

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                          • johnMKD
                            Member
                            • Apr 2010
                            • 364

                            #14
                            Originally posted by Makedonetz View Post
                            johnMKD i'll meet yah there and all 3 of us can go get some Sahlep or the famous Efes Pilsen from Izmir
                            That would be very cool, Makedonetz! Macedonian meeting in hospitable Turkey!
                            Macedonian and proud!

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                            • Makedonetz
                              Senior Member
                              • Apr 2010
                              • 1080

                              #15
                              I agree Bratko
                              Makedoncite se borat
                              za svoite pravdini!

                              "The one who works for joining of Macedonia to Bulgaria,Greece or Serbia can consider himself as a good Bulgarian, Greek or Serb, but not a good Macedonian"
                              - Goce Delchev

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