Vinozito plan a radio and newspaper in Egejska Makedonija

[makedonche]

I really hope that Vinozito actually does something and not have become like the infamous "Vodenski komitet" or the Krste Misirkov foundation. If Vinozito fails this time then I will have absolutely no faith in them at all.

So help them to succeed! Do something!

[Mastika]

So help them to succeed! Do something!

I really truly do hope that they succeed.

[AMHRC]

SoM,

Yes it will be mostly in Greek, simply because as Dimitri explained, the vast majority of Macedonians in Egej, cannot read Macedonian. The sections devoted to improving the Macedonian language skills of the Macedonian population in Egej, will utilise the Macedonian literary language as the basis for doing this. This is Vinozhito policy and we think it is reasonable - otherwise the work of the editor (who will be Dimitri Jovanov) would become that of a dialectologist and not a newspaper editor.

The "Nova Zora" newspaper will be issued on a monthly basis and its first run will begin in May. It will also have its own website and every issue will be available on the internet.

Mastika,

it is obvious that you do not know what you are talking about - Misirkov Foundation has not been 'failure', it was only recently formed and it is in the very near future planning a series of events designed to promote Macedonian language and culture in Egej.

Regards,

AMHRC.

[Mastika]

response to AMHRC

Mastika,

it is obvious that you do not know what you are talking about - Misirkov Foundation has not been 'failure', it was only recently formed and it is in the very near future planning a series of events designed to promote Macedonian language and culture in Egej.

AMHRC, the foundation was founded six months ago.

During that time has the group even started on any of the aims in their mission statement?

Raise awareness among the ethnic Macedonian population in Greece about the life and writings of Misirkov.
Organise lectures, seminars and conferences on the life and works of Misirkov.
Translate into Greek and publish all his writings.
Establish a museum and educational centre in Misirkov's honour.
Support associations in Greece which promote Macedonian culture.
Support efforts to preserve and promote the Macedonian language in Greece.

It has been claimed by our own people in Egejska Makedonija that the organisation does not exist, and that the Voden branch of Vinozito no longer functions. There have also been claims that this group was only "founded" due to "competition" from the parralel group operating in Voden, promoting Macedonian culture and language.

What do you people think about this letter [http://www.macedoniantruth.org/forum...d.php?p=39985], which I find very disturbing, especially this quote: "When I told them that the leadership of Vinozhito has no involvement in the organization of seminars, that "the Voden office" not only does not function, but even the party Prefecture Committee of Voden , which is supposed to have created the foundation "Krste Misirkov, does not exist, that Vinozhito not only does not help those who try to do something in Pella with no financial support, but is trying in every way to “sabotage” them, they were surprised. They showed suspicious of me, thinking that I am not saying the truth to them because of rivalry toward the party. Fortunately they communicated with others and got convinced about what is the reality here. "

AMRHC, seeing as I know nothing about what I am talking about, please objasnete.

[Soldier of Macedon]

SoM,

Yes it will be mostly in Greek, simply because as Dimitri explained, the vast majority of Macedonians in Egej, cannot read Macedonian. The sections devoted to improving the Macedonian language skills of the Macedonian population in Egej, will utilise the Macedonian literary language as the basis for doing this. This is Vinozhito policy and we think it is reasonable - otherwise the work of the editor (who will be Dimitri Jovanov) would become that of a dialectologist and not a newspaper editor.

The "Nova Zora" newspaper will be issued on a monthly basis and its first run will begin in May. It will also have its own website and every issue will be available on the internet.

Mastika,

it is obvious that you do not know what you are talking about - Misirkov Foundation has not been 'failure', it was only recently formed and it is in the very near future planning a series of events designed to promote Macedonian language and culture in Egej.

Regards,

AMHRC.

AMHRC,

Will the Macedonian words be written in Macedonian letters, Latin letters, or Greek letters?

[Soldier of Macedon]

AMHRC, the foundation was founded six months ago.

During that time has the group even started on any of the aims in their mission statement?

Raise awareness among the ethnic Macedonian population in Greece about the life and writings of Misirkov.
Organise lectures, seminars and conferences on the life and works of Misirkov.
Translate into Greek and publish all his writings.
Establish a museum and educational centre in Misirkov's honour.
Support associations in Greece which promote Macedonian culture.
Support efforts to preserve and promote the Macedonian language in Greece.

It has been claimed by our own people in Egejska Makedonija that the organisation does not exist, and that the Voden branch of Vinozito no longer functions. There have also been claims that this group was only "founded" due to "competition" from the parralel group operating in Voden, promoting Macedonian culture and language.

What do you people think about this letter [http://www.macedoniantruth.org/forum...d.php?p=39985], which I find very disturbing, especially this quote: "When I told them that the leadership of Vinozhito has no involvement in the organization of seminars, that "the Voden office" not only does not function, but even the party Prefecture Committee of Voden , which is supposed to have created the foundation "Krste Misirkov, does not exist, that Vinozhito not only does not help those who try to do something in Pella with no financial support, but is trying in every way to “sabotage” them, they were surprised. They showed suspicious of me, thinking that I am not saying the truth to them because of rivalry toward the party. Fortunately they communicated with others and got convinced about what is the reality here. "

AMRHC, seeing as I know nothing about what I am talking about, please objasnete.

Mastika, are you writing from Macedonia?

[El Bre]

The sections devoted to improving the Macedonian language skills of the Macedonian population in Egej, will utilise the Macedonian literary language as the basis for doing this. This is Vinozhito policy and we think it is reasonable - otherwise the work of the editor (who will be Dimitri Jovanov) would become that of a dialectologist and not a newspaper editor.

I need to mull this one over a bit. Not sure where I stand just yet. My initial reaction was negative though.

[Risto the Great]

I need to mull this one over a bit. Not sure where I stand just yet. My initial reaction was negative though.

I can understand that.
But if you look at the literary language, there is at best a 2% departure in our dialects in Egej. Why waste time trying to line it up when the resources are there in literary Macedonian? Would we throw away books from Macedonia because they use "raka" instead of "ranka" for the Kosturtsi?

It is really the only logical solution to use the literary language.

[Pelister]

These are important steps.

But the real battle is changing Greek attitudes about who we are, and changing the curricula taught in schools to actually include Macedonians in modern Greek history courses.

[AMHRC]

Mastika,

Yes they have started on preparing the groundwork for their initiatives and over the next six - twelve months, these will slowly begin to manifest themselves in public. It is rather too early for you to have judged Misirkov a "failure".

As for the Voden office, the party is definitely going to be staffing it, however, this will be done properly and not 'just for the sake of it' - or are you suggesting that this should be done at the convenience of someone else. A certain someone else who has a record of spreading foul lies about the people in Vinozhito. This is not how things work.

Moreover, we can also add that Vinozhito's Macedonian language classes in Solun are now going stronger than ever, with over 30 students attending on a weekly basis. Perhaps, you should be asking others now about "failures".Though we doubt that you will.

SoM,

I am not sure, I think that they are going to experiment with a variety of forms when it comes to the lettering.

Cheers,

AMHRC.

[vodenka]

I would like to see Vinozhito people for once before anouncing, FIRST get the project done! What is the point in anouncing “secret” preparation of projects? They should do and after anounce them, as the Educative and Cultural Movement of Voden did.
As about the language classes, it is no secret that were arganized by the above association in collaboration with a friend in Solun and we housed the classes in the Anti-Racism Dome, for free, on the kind offer of GREEK leftist group and the teacher was hired by us. When Vinozhito came to know about these classes, they tried to sabotage them at first and claimed that they had their own teacher to go on with the classes, refusing collaboration with the Voden association. When in Voden the classes were stopped, they asked our teacher to go give lessons in Solun, now. We have to hire another teacher, if we want to continue our classes (the one we had was hired for 2 months term, paid by one of our sponsors).
There is no way to have 30 students in Solun as there is no place in the classroom, at the Anti-Racism Dome and classes are given once a week, as the other days the classrom is occupaied by other groups who have classes there. I can find out how many students they really have, but I do not think this is a problem for which we should worry about. The point is to have as many classres as we can, all over Egejska and not some group to monopolize this activity just for its own glory.
The Vinozhito lies are really with no end! I really hope that the newspaper anouncemnt, at least, to have some truth in it.

[vodenka]

These are important steps.

But the real battle is changing Greek attitudes about who we are, and changing the curricula taught in schools to actually include Macedonians in modern Greek history courses.

First we have to change our people's attitude about our language and accept the fact that is in their interest and rights to have our mother tongue taught in public schools. That is why our association startet its activities with macedonian language classes.

[AMHRC]

This is the last time that we shall respond to you; the classes in Solun are being run by Vinozhito and that truly is all! Concentrate on your own classes and stop wasting everybody's time with your endless negativity.

AMHRC.

[vodenka]

This is the last time that we shall respond to you; the classes in Solun are being run by Vinozhito and that truly is all! Concentrate on your own classes and stop wasting everybody's time with your endless negativity.

AMHRC.

There is no negativity in truth! If you know something different about the language classes in Solun, feel free to tell us.

[Phoenix]

The point is to have as many classres as we can, all over Egejska and not some group to monopolize this activity just for its own glory.
The Vinozhito lies are really with no end! I really hope that the newspaper anouncemnt, at least, to have some truth in it.

Vodenka, often when I read your harsh and what I consider unjust criticism of Vinozhito, I wonder if it's you that is trying to monopolize the activities in Egej.