Greek identity.

[Daniel the Great]

YouTube - Greek Identity Problems

The Greek identity crisis.


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MACEDONIAN PRIDE

[Bill77]

wow you started off with a bang Daniel. Yes they certainly have an identity issue like no other nation. Please search other threads regarding this issue. There are plenty threads where you can learn from regarding this subject and where you can contribute.


And welcome Daniel.

[Soldier of Macedon]

There is no disputing the fact that modern Greeks from Greece proper are largely a combination of Albanians, Vlachs and Moreans*.


*Given the Slavic origins of the word Morea, and the absence of use, I think it is the most suitable description of the Slavic-speaking peoples in the territories south of Thessaly. There were individual tribes such as Milinoi and Ezeritae, but Moreans is collective, accurate, and provides a deserved identity for this group. They are the closest to Macedonians, but they not Macedonians per se or even in the 'greater' sense, what a shame they didn't have their chance.

This is the term I will be using for these people from now on.

[Risto the Great]

Ahhh the Macedonian / Morean brotherhood.
We would have ended up hating each other ... those pesky Moreans with their funny Macedonian dialect.

[makedonche]

Daniel the Great
Welcome, nice fist post! Find more I need a good laugh!

[Daniel the Great]

Thank you Makedonce i am glad you found it amusing.

[Anarchist]

Question daniel since , Macedonians despise Albanians and call them " Shiptari " why would you post a biased video about Greeks used by an Albanian author. Pretty piss poor if you ask me.

I guess not all users on this forum are "civil" enough to be mutual.

[Daniel the Great]

Anarchist i was concentrating more on the content of what is in the video rather then the Albanian author.
And to tell you the truth it was just for a laugh not out to offend anyone.

[Bill77]

Question daniel since , Macedonians despise Albanians and call them " Shiptari " why would you post a biased video about Greeks used by an Albanian author. Pretty piss poor if you ask me.

I guess not all users on this forum are "civil" enough to be mutual.

Because the auther is not the issue here, its the message that is important. There are many Greek authers and articles i can show you, That would agree with this video. There are some that have risked there saftey and after speeking out are ither threatened to be raped and killed, or are in the process to be taken to court.

Now, should we disregard what a Greek says that has substance, simply because it came from a Greek?

I also noticed you did not critisize the pathetic video on the Dr. Aris Poulianis Thread which is eaqualy piss poor i think.

Sory i am not this Daniel guy. But i am sure you would not mind me expressing my opinion.

[Anarchist]

Anarchist i was concentrating more on the content of what is in the video rather then the Albanian author.
And to tell you the truth it was just for a laugh not out to offend anyone.

Not a problem

[Daskalot]

Question daniel since , Macedonians despise Albanians and call them " Shiptari " why would you post a biased video about Greeks used by an Albanian author. Pretty piss poor if you ask me.

I guess not all users on this forum are "civil" enough to be mutual.

To be noted Anarchist, the term 'Shiptar' is a term the Albanians themselves use, an Albanian is called a 'Sqipetare' in Albanian.

[Anarchist]

To be noted Anarchist, the term 'Shiptar' is a term the Albanians themselves use, an Albanian is called a 'Sqipetare' in Albanian.

Yes i know that , but we all use it as a offensive word when describing them.

[Daskalot]

Yes i know that , but we all use it as a offensive word when describing them.

No we do not, how would it be offensive when we use the exact term they themselves use? Think of it like this, if Greeks would call us in Greek as 'Makedontsi' that would not be offensive, but instead you use terms like 'skopian', 'fyromian' etc in Greek, that is offensive.

[Prolet]

Anarchist, The Albanians have to be the only minority in the world that are ashamed to be called by their name in their language. Its like me being offended if somebody called me a Makedonec, its not degrading at all that is how they call themselves in Albanian Shiptari, Shqipitar its no different at all.

[Epirot]

Since I cannot find right now the thread about Albanian origin of modern "Greeks" I'd post here an interesting passage about "Greeks" of southern Italy.



I think that even the name of Albanian "colony" of Piana dei greci (Plain of Greeks) tells what did mean to be 'Greek' in southern Italy. "Greci" was equivalently with 'Albanesi'...it was used interchangeable for all the time. That's why Piana dei greci passed naturally into 'piana degli albanesi'.

If moderators finds that this post should be moved in another thread, please feel free of doing that!