Macedonian forgotten villages- reality

[Jankovska]

Рударе без вода и доктор, но ќе има безжичен интернет
Мишко Иванов Коментари (8)


30.01.2010 18:39



Ова е село Шопско Рударе, Кратовско. Иако има асфалтиран пат, сепак тој не чини. До селото се стигнува тешко, последните 15 километри ги поминавме речиси за еден час.

Сепак, и покрај тоа што патот не чини, сега ова село ќе се поврзе со целиот свет. Владата планира да инсталира киосци за безжичен интернет.

Ова е училиштето до осмо одделение. Овде за половина година ќе никне киоск со безжичен интернет.

Пред педесетина години во селското училиште учеле над 200 деца. Денес во секое одделение има по едно или две деца.





„Дечиња имаме, но само едно во школо што оди“, вели еден од мештаните.

На прашањето за што ќе го користат интернетот одговараат:

„Е па зошто, не знам. Доаѓаат од други села деца“.

Во Рударе има амбуланта, ама не работи веќе осум години. Нема доктор. Мештаните имаат проблеми и со водата, но некако се снаоѓаат.

Сепак, најголема мака им е патот. А патот иако асфалтиран, навистина, е дупка до дупка.

Ги прашавме кога последен пат ги посетил некој од политичарите, на пример Бранко Црвенковски или Никола Груевски, одговараат:

„А овде не, не доаѓаат. Ќе си ги извалкаат чевлите, не доаѓаат овде што ќе прават тука“.





Сашо Крстевски, има 30 години. Без работа е. Тој е еден од малкуте млади луѓе кои останале во селото. Ова е неговата 18 месечна ќерка Николина, единственото бебе во селото. Сашо сега повторно очекува принова.

„Моментално не работиме ништо, натаму - наваму, кога ќе најдеме нешто се занимаваме, но претежно нема работа овде во Македонија“, ни рече Сашо.

Ова кратовско село е од разбиен тип. Овде живеат околу 100 луѓе. Некои пешачат и по еден час, за да стигнат до средсело, каде е лоцирано и гранапчето.

Го прашавме продавачот дали ги имаат основните работи, струја, вода. Ни одговори дека струја има, вода секаде немало, но луѓето сепак се снаоѓале. Сепак најмногу ги погодува патот кој е многу лош, ископан, со дупки.





Во Рударе недостасуваат многу работи. Мештаните тешко се снаоѓаат и со превоз. Речиси и да не помина автомобил или пак комбе додека ние бевме таму.

Шопско Рударе толку блиску, а сепак далеку од цивилизацијата - сведоци се токму овие столбови. Да, тоа е коридорот 8, со него требаше да се поврземе со Европа.

Иако за овие луѓе приоритет е патот, амбулантата, превозот, па дури и водата, сепак за неполна половина година тие ќе добијат интернет.

Два и пол милиони евра државни пари во наредните четири години ќе потроши власта за да ги субвенционира економските оператори кои ќе инсталираат безжичен интернет во руралните средини.

I think internet availability is importnant in Macedonia but again se vo granici. Here I think the people need other things first. Why has it been allowed for people to get to this point, for villages to be forgotten?
I have been to many of these villages, both my parents come from mountain villages and I don't understand why nothing has been done to help the people and will anyone ever do something for the poor seljaci who build that country?

[Risto the Great]

I thought the whole country has wireless internet. Why is it so hard?

[Prolet]

Jankovska, The source is A1 thats more then clearly biased and worthless. Keep in mind here that we are talking about a village that nobody has ever heard off and yes i dont dispute that the condition is not so good, however the cities themselves are in such poor condition because nobody had touched them since the YU era in the late 70s.

Three years ago nobody ever talked about any villages let alone villages who are far away from civilization to say the least. I totally agree with you and more should be done however do you think a poor country like Macedonia can afford to rebuild all the cities and villages in such a short period of time?? The fact that we are even mentioning these villages is a huge plus for me because nobody even mentioned them nor did we even think they existed.

Believe me Jankovska the internet connection will do alot of good, at least we are starting from somewhere. Why shouldnt they have wireless internet?? There should be a 5 years plan for the rural areas and that reminds me, the rural parts of Macedonia were allocated a 10 million euro grant and keep in mind that before the SDSM criminals where in charge they didnt get a single cent.

[Phoenix]

Jankovska, The source is A1 thats more then clearly biased and worthless. Keep in mind here that we are talking about a village that nobody has ever heard off and yes i dont dispute that the condition is not so good, however the cities themselves are in such poor condition because nobody had touched them since the YU era in the late 70s.

Three years ago nobody ever talked about any villages let alone villages who are far away from civilization to say the least. I totally agree with you and more should be done however do you think a poor country like Macedonia can afford to rebuild all the cities and villages in such a short period of time?? The fact that we are even mentioning these villages is a huge plus for me because nobody even mentioned them nor did we even think they existed.

Believe me Jankovska the internet connection will do alot of good, at least we are starting from somewhere. Why shouldnt they have wireless internet?? There should be a 5 years plan for the rural areas and that reminds me, the rural parts of Macedonia were allocated a 10 million euro grant and keep in mind that before the SDSM criminals where in charge they didnt get a single cent.

Prolet if you could only choose one, what would it be...assuming a similar amount of money is spent on either project...

Wireless internet...

or

Statues...

[Risto the Great]

Statues that are internet repeaters.

[Jankovska]

Jankovska, The source is A1 thats more then clearly biased and worthless. Keep in mind here that we are talking about a village that nobody has ever heard off and yes i dont dispute that the condition is not so good, however the cities themselves are in such poor condition because nobody had touched them since the YU era in the late 70s.

Three years ago nobody ever talked about any villages let alone villages who are far away from civilization to say the least. I totally agree with you and more should be done however do you think a poor country like Macedonia can afford to rebuild all the cities and villages in such a short period of time?? The fact that we are even mentioning these villages is a huge plus for me because nobody even mentioned them nor did we even think they existed.

Believe me Jankovska the internet connection will do alot of good, at least we are starting from somewhere. Why shouldnt they have wireless internet?? There should be a 5 years plan for the rural areas and that reminds me, the rural parts of Macedonia were allocated a 10 million euro grant and keep in mind that before the SDSM criminals where in charge they didnt get a single cent.

Ok Prolet

Let me give you names of villages that do exist and are not from A1 and I have visited and know them and they don't have water, electricity in winter usually, roads, a doctor, schools etc. This villages are in Kriva Palanka

B's
Krklja
Ljutirid
Dravendzici
Sirenci (even tho in the summer you can drive to sredselo through the livadi)
Stanci
Prodzi konj
Metezevo

The last two get cut off by the snow sometimes till march etc. The people living there can not get to the town to get medication and flour for bread. Wireless internet is the last thing this people need. The money should be invested in bringing those villages close to the cities, not sticking a wireless net for an 80 year old dedo to surf while milking the cows.

[Prolet]

Phoenix, How about if the SDSM kodoshi didnt privatize and steal all the money maybe we wouldnt be in this much kurac. Do you know that from 1991 to 2000 nobody knows what happened to 9 Billion US Dollars?? Believe me the Statues are like a kec na desetka for us, we've been robbed and bled dry for decades now our citizens our actually getting something even if its a statue.

Phoenix, Keep in mind that the Rural areas got a 10 million Euro Grant, just compare that in 2005 when SDSM announced they would rise the health care budget to a record 6 million euros, now i'll give you a small comparison the Slovenian Government spends 2 Billion Euros on Health Care so its great for the SDSM Government to take care of its citizens by not even touching the health care system and facilities for nearly 20 years in power.

[Prolet]

Whos arguing with you Jankovska?? Im not going to say that everything is rosy i agree with you totally and no im not talking about 80 year olds surfing the net im talking about his kids and grand kids taking advantage of this. Na poklonet konj zabite ne mu se gledaat, do koga vaka so ogan i plamen ke frlash po lugeto??

Pa Makedonija kako od frecha da postoi da mu ja ebam majkata, we are in this situation because of those who where in power before. Its a normal situation for a Village to not to have water,electricity and even drva for the Kjumbe. When its isolated for decades, when the others are too busy lying to the citizens and in the end they take their money, Kade se parite?. We need to look at the Slovenians on how they look after their rural areas along with their villages, they have been forgotten for decades and now you are asking why they are in such poor conditions?? Abe ajde molim te, the fact that they are being mentioned is brilliant and they should not be forgotten. Macedonia has a 2.5 Billion Euro budget preku sila per year, shto poprvo da se pravi?? This is chump change for the other countries, we are pretty much starting from scratch and its going to take some time thats all, its a very tough task but im always optimistic.

[Jankovska]

Whos arguing with you Jankovska?? Im not going to say that everything is rosy i agree with you totally and no im not talking about 80 year olds surfing the net im talking about his kids and grand kids taking advantage of this. Na poklonet konj zabite ne mu se gledaat, do koga vaka so ogan i plamen ke frlash po lugeto??

Pa Makedonija kako od frecha da postoi da mu ja ebam majkata, we are in this situation because of those who where in power before. Its a normal situation for a Village to not to have water,electricity and even drva for the Kjumbe. When its isolated for decades, when the others are too busy lying to the citizens and in the end they take their money, Kade se parite?. We need to look at the Slovenians on how they look after their rural areas along with their villages, they have been forgotten for decades and now you are asking why they are in such poor conditions?? Abe ajde molim te, the fact that they are being mentioned is brilliant and they should not be forgotten. Macedonia has a 2.5 Billion Euro budget preku sila per year, shto poprvo da se pravi?? This is chump change for the other countries, we are pretty much starting from scratch and its going to take some time thats all, its a very tough task but im always optimistic.

I am not sure dali ti cicase od Gruevski pa tolku mu sedis po gazot.
Which part do you not understand or shall i draw it for you? The kids in those villages need teachers, doctors, they need some organisation so they don't have to labour on the fields all day long. Internet? You think that people and kids who are left in these villages have time for internet? If those chidlren worked in the UK as hard as they do in Macedonia it will be considered cruelty. Have you actually ever been there? Have you visited a village like this? I think water is more importnat than internet as well as struja and ogrev and everything else. Stop jumping up and down like a fool and for once use your brain. Which part are you not clear with? The money invested in this is a waste of money. Full stop. Your gov is a waste of money gov, full stop.
Internet is ok when the basic needs of the people are met. I wonder how those computers will work without electric power. But it';s normal not to have it, isn't it? Why is it normal? Because SDSM allowed it? And what is grujo doing about it? Sticking internet in. Wohoo my gran is gonna love posting here on the forum when she gets stuck in her village from Nov all the way to April.

[Prolet]

Come on Jankovska, You know what i mean

If you ask me what i think that in this day and age people there are villages that dont have Struja and Voda is a farce and a disgrace. Its normal because when something isnt touched in 30 years and its rotten to the ground what do you expect?? If the Komunjari had of done their job the vlada wouldnt be in this mess. People are used to not doing anything, do you know how hard it was to get a Passport from MVR?? Its terrible we are starting from scratch believe me.

I remember the Gradonachalnik from Debar saying how his fire department has two very old fire engines one is almost fully broken and the other one will break down in the near future. The Manastir Jovan Bigorski burned down and the fire department could hardly do anything about it, they are not equipped god forbid if a building caught on fire gospod neka nie napomosh.

Jankovska, i dont doubt what you are saying, i;ve never visited any of those villages in the Kriva Palanka village infact i dont recall ever visiting Kriva Palanka i've driven past there a few times and thats it, i agree with you totally. At least now the Municipalities are given snow trucks to clean up the roads from Snow and if they dont the Government fines them, there are ratraci so they can clean up the bigger areas of Snow.

Jankovska, As for Struja you should ask how SDSM Privatized EVN and how they allowed the Austrians to jack up the prices every year, ask them where the money went from that privatization and why there are villages in Macedonia that are without Electrical Power. Kade se parite?

[Jankovska]

Prolet why is SDSM always being dragged into all this? They are the past, as far as I am concerned they should be in jail. But if our gov decides to spend money they should to it wisely. I agree that internet cover would be great but after the basic things of these people are met. When the kids don't have to go govedari and go na pazar with their konj on a staurday, 2 hour walk. I am sorry but once again I see this as a waste of money.
Statues, internet everything is needed, as long as we have our priorities sorted.
As for the passport it's not because we are starting from scratch it's because the Grujo gov did the same things as Crvenko gov, employed 'friends' who think the keyboard is an alien. I don't have a Macedonian passport, I don't have a licna karta, I don't have any paperwork anymore and I don't plan to get some until there are people who are actually capable of doing this for me and not sending me to 5 different doors to get answers to the simplest questions. What I am trying to point out here and in many posts regarding the gov is that they are just the same as SDSM or going into that direction. Mackanje oci ti e toa. You talk about budgets and money and is all well and fine but those villages will not see a penny of that money. Roads in Kriva Palanka are mud, no asfalt even tho there have been a zillion budgets for the work to start. money gets stolen by those in power.

[Prolet]

Jankovska, You have the wrong idea about Grujo he is miles ahead of anybody near him. If you are left hundreds of millions in debt, if you are left with unconstructed roads,villages,corruption as high as Swaziland and Somalia, no equipment or very poor equipment, terrible facilities do you expect to change things overnight? Who should we blame for the terrible mess?? The man on the Moon?? It was SDSM and yes treba da se apsat thats for sure, they should lock them up and throw away the key.


Jankovska, I got a Biometric passport in 3 days, the procedure was 20 minutes. You fill in the obrazec pay the fee in the bank or poshta, give them the receipt and you dont have to pay for a photo anymore they take one for you, its changed alot for the better. People used to wait for hours, you'd see ladies faint from all the crowds now MVR gives you a time slot and you rock up and get everything done.

[Jankovska]

Jankovska, You have the wrong idea about Grujo he is miles ahead of anybody near him. If you are left hundreds of millions in debt, if you are left with unconstructed roads,villages,corruption as high as Swaziland and Somalia, no equipment or very poor equipment, terrible facilities do you expect to change things overnight? Who should we blame for the terrible mess?? The man on the Moon?? It was SDSM and yes treba da se apsat thats for sure, they should lock them up and throw away the key.


Jankovska, I got a Biometric passport in 3 days, the procedure was 20 minutes. You fill in the obrazec pay the fee in the bank or poshta, give them the receipt and you dont have to pay for a photo anymore they take one for you, its changed alot for the better. People used to wait for hours, you'd see ladies faint from all the crowds now MVR gives you a time slot and you rock up and get everything done.

I don't think I am wrong. He is not fighting corruption, how is he when only his people are employed in hight position? How is he going for the better when top VMRO people are not touchable by law? That';s not going forward, that's doing the same thing.
As for the passport I went once and as I said will not go again. I was very close to giving up my citizenship just not to have to deal with the administration in Macedonia.

[Prolet]

Jankovska, Why would you give up who you are because of some Leshperi?? Wheres your dostoinstvo?? They should be ashamed of themselves for behaving this way towards you.

The Corruption scale has gone down over 30 places in the past 2 years, we are ahead of countries like Bosnia,Albania,Kosovo its not there yet but it will get there. Ne se nerviraj tolku, procedura e toa ne se pravi preku nok. Brza Kucka slepi kucinja ragja.

[Jankovska]

Jankovska, Why would you give up who you are because of some Leshperi?? Wheres your dostoinstvo?? They should be ashamed of themselves for behaving this way towards you.

The Corruption scale has gone down over 30 places in the past 2 years, we are ahead of countries like Bosnia,Albania,Kosovo its not there yet but it will get there. Ne se nerviraj tolku, procedura e toa ne se pravi preku nok. Brza Kucka slepi kucinja ragja.

A peace of paper has got nothing to do with who I am. Me giving Grujo's party for a zillionth time money for a new licna karta has got nothing to do with who I am. I will not return for any paperwork in MAcedonia until capable people are employed in administracija, like it should be. I am doing this to keep my dostoinstvo, coz some gomnari are trying to take that away from me. I am not a predmet za zaebancii na nekoj sto ne znae dva i dva po dva kolku se.
Prolet those numbers are gov numbers or gov organisations so to me they mean nothing. Reality in Macedonia is much different, everything works the same just with different people. Please don't think if you post numbers here that will convince me, it never will. I go often enough to see the 'changes'.