Philiki Eteria founders most likely Vlachs & Slav

[TerraNova]

Our "Eastern" neighbour, is actually a more or less creation of Macedonian immigrants.

Which is naturally since Sofia was the closes center for any of our revolutioners to act for liberation of Macedonia.

If it was so...how did these "immigrants" called themselves?
And if it was so...why they ve chosen to "create Bulgaria" ...instead of their homeland...Macedonia?

Since the Turkish concentration was biggest in Macedonia it was 10 times harder to rebel against them.

Those "local riots" as you say are one each piece of the whole national struggle and they cannot be taken ignorantly since their goal was same - authonomy for Macedonia.

Do you think all the revolutionaries wanted an independent or even autonomous Macedonia,or some of them wanted this autonomous Macedonia within Greater Bulgaria...when the time was right ??

Let me remind some cases in the neighborhood ..the exact same era. Eastern Rumelia's case.
(first autonomous ..1878...then within Bulgaria 1885)

or Crete's case.
(first autonomous 1898..after rebellion...then within Greece-1912)

[TerraNova]

As about the topic.
The founders of Philiki Eteria were initially 4.

1.Panagiotis Anagnostopoulos (1790-1854)

From Andritsena-Peloponnese.

2.Emmanuil Xanthos (1772-1852)

From Patmos-Aegean Islands.

3.Nikolaos Skoufas (1779-1819)

From Komboti, Arta -Epirus.

4.Athanasios Tekelis (Tsakalof) (1788-1851)

From Ioannina- Epirus

all...slavs...

[Soldier of Macedon]

Do you think all the revolutionaries wanted an independent or even autonomous Macedonia,or some of them wanted this autonomous Macedonia within Greater Bulgaria...when the time was right ??

The problem with VMRO is the Bulgarian propaganda from Exarch schools and churches, in which most of their members were brought up in. But people like Sandanski, Alexandrov and Delchev, regardless of questionable statements made with regard to their identity, clearly wanted an autonomous and free Macedonia.

That is the Macedonian dream, that is what most Macedonians wanted. Just like the below VMRO members:

http://www.macedoniantruth.org/forum/showthread.php?t=419

There was strong opposition from Bulgaria against me and the others..........................Hristo Chernopeev

Delchev explained: we cannot rest our hopes on foreign help, we shouldn't wait for help from Bulgaria nor from any other power, instead we need to prepare from within.............................Ivan Grcheto

I called for a collective gathering of all the village battle leaders in the village of Leshko, where I explained to them, what the work of the Internal Organisation was and what the intentions were of the Supremist Committee. I explained the matter as such, that if we submit to the Supremist Committee their people will be able to, wether they are sent by the leadership of Bulgaria and mainly the prince (as in the year 1895, when our people were the toys of the prince), or again with their own company to make some sort of gathering inside and with them to operate so that nothing serious will arise for the freedom of the Macedonians, for which the Internal Organisation is preparing...........................Sava Mihailov

We were never able to lead the battle in stages. We were for either the autonomy of Macedonia, or I don’t know what. We made big mistakes. In the year 1913, however, Bulgaria made the biggest mistake.................................Atanas Lozanchev

Don't believe everything you read, VMRO history is more complex than a simple glance at Bulgarian propagandist garbage found on the internet.

[Soldier of Macedon]

4.Athanasios Tekelis (Tsakalof) (1788-1851)

Is Tsakalov a 'Greek' name? Tekelis, lol

[TerraNova]

Ask the Macedonians any day of the week who the Macedonians were.
Hell, the Greeks did not know what they were until Lord Byron told them.

Yes..sure.
Surprisingly Philiki Eteria was founded in 1814 (Byron came in Greece,in 1821)

At the same time Macedonian schools were spread throughout Macedonia,Macedonian scholars were promoting the Macedonian idea,Macedonian culture was known all over the known world and Macedonian revolution was spread in the region....

No..not just peasants with religious and regional identity only..

[TerraNova]

Is Tsakalov a 'Greek' name? Tekelis, lol

What a brilliant conclusion!
ov...hm...he is Bulgarian or Russian..or Slav.

Then 1/3 of Macedonians (or 1/5?) are Bulgarians or Russians.
Or just Slavs.You say so.

Make the connection-not official surnames in Ottoman Empire-Tsakalof moves to Odessa and lives there-takes a surname.
It's not hard ...try

Otherwise..a Slav ..of the famous Slav speaking Ioannina region was a Slav.

[Risto the Great]

Capo D'Istria = Kapodistrias
So many choices if you want to claim Greekness.

[TerraNova]

Capo D'Istria = Kapodistrias
So many choices if you want to claim Greekness.

What's your surname?

[Risto the Great]

What's your surname?

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Farkov

[TerraNova]

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Farkov

ov...a Slav?
a Russian?
A Bulgarian?

[Bratot]

What a brilliant conclusion!
ov...hm...he is Bulgarian or Russian..or Slav.

Then 1/3 of Macedonians (or 1/5?) are Bulgarians or Russians.
Or just Slavs.You say so.

Make the connection-not official surnames in Ottoman Empire-Tsakalof moves to Odessa and lives there-takes a surname.
It's not hard ...try

Otherwise..a Slav ..of the famous Slav speaking Ioannina region was a Slav.

No no, on a contrary pal, that means 1/3 of the "Greeks" are.. Slavs, Bulgarians,Russians.. You say so.

[Soldier of Macedon]

Make the connection-not official surnames in Ottoman Empire-Tsakalof moves to Odessa and lives there-takes a surname.
It's not hard ...try

Otherwise..a Slav ..of the famous Slav speaking Ioannina region was a Slav.

Why should I make the connection when you are full of Albanians that you claim as plastic 'Hellenes'? Tsakalov sounds more Balkan than Russian, and I have already explained the general use of 'ov' in Slavic to you before bird brain, try and remember.

[TerraNova]

Why should I make the connection when you are full of Albanians that you claim as plastic 'Hellenes'? Tsakalov sounds more Balkan than Russian, and I have already explained the general use of 'ov' in Slavic to you before bird brain, try and remember.

So..come on....shout it :Athanasios Tsakalov was Slav.

Is "one of four names of the founders of Philiki Eteria sounds non-Greek " ,the basis of this thread?...??

I hope you have some evidence..otherwise smells like bullshit.

[Ne Smassen]

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Farkov

Do you know his greek cousin...Farkiou?

[TerraNova]

Do you know his greek cousin...Farkiou?

There is obviously a cold "joke"...i m sorry i don't speak any slavic language since i am a Greek of Macedonia...