The Real Ethnic Composition of Modern Greece

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  • Carlin
    Senior Member
    • Dec 2011
    • 3332

    Found the paper - URL:



    Significance

    By studying genome-wide data from 54 individuals from eighth- to fifth-century Sicily, we gain insights into the composition of Classical Greek armies (ca. fifth c. BCE) and the populace of a Greek colony. The presence of mercenaries in Greek armies fighting in the Mediterranean, as early as 480 BCE and with origins as far away as northern Europe and the Caucasus, is absent from historical texts and thus so far underappreciated in ancient classical scholarship. Our interdisciplinary study both underlines the value of integrating genetic studies to complement archaeological and historical research and highlights the importance of warfare in facilitating continental-scale human mobility, cultural contact, and cooperation in the Mediterranean of the Classical period.

    Abstract

    Trade and colonization caused an unprecedented increase in Mediterranean human mobility in the first millennium BCE. Often seen as a dividing force, warfare is in fact another catalyst of culture contact. We provide insight into the demographic dynamics of ancient warfare by reporting genome-wide data from fifth-century soldiers who fought for the army of the Greek Sicilian colony of Himera, along with representatives of the civilian population, nearby indigenous settlements, and 96 present-day individuals from Italy and Greece. Unlike the rest of the sample, many soldiers had ancestral origins in northern Europe, the Steppe, and the Caucasus. Integrating genetic, archaeological, isotopic, and historical data, these results illustrate the significant role mercenaries played in ancient Greek armies and highlight how participation in war contributed to continental-scale human mobility in the Classical world.

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    • tchaiku
      Member
      • Nov 2016
      • 786

      Originally posted by Carlin View Post
      Chart showing the Y-DNA haplogroups among the Hellenic mercenaries from the recent paper:

      https://mobile.twitter.com/nrken19/s...DTubrmxOYrAAAA
      The Y-DNA of old Greeks from their Golden Era is radically different from Modern Mainlanders. The deep paternal lines associated with the old Greeks found so far barely reach 25% in Peloponnese and even less in more northern regions.

      We need a bigger sample size but still I don't think much will change.
      Last edited by tchaiku; 11-03-2022, 06:24 PM.

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      • Carlin
        Senior Member
        • Dec 2011
        • 3332

        A Cypriote woman does an ancestry dna test. Results start after 3 min. mark of the video.

        Only 2% Greek:

        Αν θέλετε να βλέπετε την μούρη αυτή πιο συχνά κάντε subscribe εδώ: https://www.youtube.com/c/DiaryWingsΓεια σας ταξιδιωτάκια μουΚαλως ορίσατε σε ακόμα ένα β...

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        • Carlin
          Senior Member
          • Dec 2011
          • 3332

          Meme: "Greeks and Iranians in Real Life"



          (Xenophon of Athens describes Persian POWs as "white skinned")

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          • Carlin
            Senior Member
            • Dec 2011
            • 3332



            Euboea
            Near Karystos are two races of Albanians, originally, probably, from Andros. One of these races is quite savage; they speak Albanian, and never change their clothes. The others are ordinary Albanians. Up to Stoura this race prevails. Then comes a mixture of Greek islander and Albanian, many from Psara; higher up, from Skiathos, Skopelo, Trikeri, and neighbouring Thessalian islands. One streak intervenes in the centre of Euboea, which, from costume, and language, seems to come from Amphissa.

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            • Carlin
              Senior Member
              • Dec 2011
              • 3332

              Baltic soldiers fighting during the classical period in the mediterranean

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              • Carlin
                Senior Member
                • Dec 2011
                • 3332

                [1795] After the French Revolution, the French intend to extend their ideas and interests to the East. The French consuls detect and seek among the modern Greeks, collaborators sensitive to their revolutionary and liberating calls. For obvious reasons, the Kodzabashis and priests are rejected and only the Vlachs of Morea (= Peloponnese) are proposed for any liberation-revolutionary movement. These Vlachs settled in the whole of Morea from Aetolia-Akarnania, after being forcibly relocated there from Vlachia (= Thessaly) by the emperors of the East."


                Archives du Ministre du Affaires Etrangeres, Correspondance Consulaire Naplee de Romanie, 1778-1824, le 14 Messudor, an 6, f. 51v, 52r-. [Letter from "citizen" Roussel, vice consul, to the French general in charge of eastern affairs in Corfu.]

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                • Carlin
                  Senior Member
                  • Dec 2011
                  • 3332

                  Жабата ја освојува Грција : )



                  PS:

                  The most widespread term in mainland Greece is the Vlach term broasca > braska, which is a term of Late Latin origin (which also occurs in some Western Romance languages/dialects: Old French bruesche, Milanese Lombard brosco).

                  "Mysteriously", the Vlach term braska covers an extensive portion of the Peloponnese.

                  PPS:

                  The Arvanites introduced to the places where they settled Albanian terms such as "bertikosa" (Alb. bretkose), and "thithiliopa" and/or "thliopa". A variant of "thitiliopa" is "firfiliopa", which is a development of Arvanitovlach origin.
                  Last edited by Carlin; 04-15-2023, 01:24 PM.

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