Busting the "Vergina Tomb" myth

[Redsun]

Didn't know where to appropriately stick this, after reading the first post in this thread I thought perhaps here. Dated March 13

http://www.canada.com/life/Greek+archaeologist+links+graves+excavated+northern+Greece+with/9614038/story.html

THESSALONIKI, Greece - A Greek archaeologist says she has discovered 20 new burials near Macedonia's ancient capital in northern Greece, and some could tentatively be associated with the early Macedonian kings.

Excavator Angeliki Kottaridi says two of the poorly preserved graves excavated in a cemetery between 2012-2013 "might perhaps be linked" with Alexander I and his son, Perdiccas II.

Both reigned in the 5th century B.C., a century before the most famous ancient Macedonian king, Alexander III the Great.

In a statement Thursday, Kottaridi said the graves at Vergina — believed to be ancient Aegae — were looted and largely dismantled in antiquity. Surviving finds included vases and a sword.

A rich burial excavated decades ago at Vergina has been linked with Phillip II, father of Alexander the Great, although many experts disagree.

Any other news on this?

[George S.]

guy's guy's.Do people know how the name was changed from a macedonian name.The kulesh sun to greek vergina or vergin.Why bring up such a toponym in the first place.The reason is the greeks never before occupied the aegean side as they took it by force.Prior to 1978 anything found on macedonia was denied as according to them macedonians did not exist.
Just think when alexander conquered greece he was made the sun god & revered as such part of the dieties.So the actual fact of a sun diety of a macedonian is far important & carries their own macedonian symbol through the ages.There is abounding evidence that the sun was a personal diety when it came to the macedonians.Where as the greeks had various names for their sun god apollo,the greeks did not use the sun insignia as part of the cti states the macedonians used the sun insignia to signify macedonian royalty.

[Bratot]

I think the symbol is somehow connected to the ancient god Apollo who, during the reign of Alexander the Great, was glorified as a sun god under the name Helios. I think the ancient Macedonians had some sort of cult towards the sun, which is why they used the symbol as their own.

Depictions of Helios:

Notice that all depictions look like Alexander the Great. This is probably because many thought Alexander was the sun god.

Here:

http://www.macedoniantruth.org/forum/showthread.php?t=4064

[George S.]

on the macedonian star or sun symbol.The macedonians had the sixteen rays based on the 16 different tribes of macedonia.The greeks might have had the rays on something else.The greek worship of the sun is nothing new they regarded him as apollo god of the sun.Also there were othergods.But one wonders if they were copies of the macedonian gods?
So show me where the greeks used their sun symbol in royalty,they neve had used it..
Someone said that prior to 1988 the greeks never new about the macedonian sun.The greeks were based on the city states & they never used the symbol of themacedonian sun.As i explained the 16 rays represented the 16 different macedonian tribes.So how could the greeks know about that??The best bet is question what you read as the greeks will say they have exclusive ownership on the symbol & that is not true.

[momce]

I'd be careful with any research or publications coming out of that looney tune country greece

[George S.]

Here it is The golden sixteen pointed sun-symbol is an indication that the Ancient Macedonians revered/worshiped the Sun God *ILIY*. So did the proto-Slav Illyrians who lived to the north-west of Makedon, and the *southern* Aegean proto-Slav Pelasgians who lived south of Mt Olymp-us (Note. Mt Olymp-us =Iliy’s Mountain) stretching to the Morea peninsula (modern day Peloponnesus) and inhabiting the Aegean islands. Many millennia later (around 1,600 BC) when the Sub-Saharan / Afro-Asiatic Colonists arrived, they simply jumped on the band-wagon and adopted Iliy for themselves calling him *Hellios* (and many centuries later, around 800 BC, so did the heterogeneous people of the Ancient City-States).
Filip=Philip/Phillip and Aleksandar/Alexander ARE INDIGENOUS PROTO-SLAVIC (MACEDONIAN) NAMES THAT HAVE REFERENCE TO THE SUN GOD ILIY. THEY ARE NOT SUB-SAHARAN / AFRO-ASIATIC NAMES!
Philip = Ph-ili-p, Aleksandar = Ale/Ile/Iliy, San > Sun, Dar > gift (Gift of Iliy, the Sun God). *Note > Ilija > a Macedonian *male* name= Ili-ja, and Ilinka = a Macedonian *female name*=Ili-nka. (Also the name of the former Macedonian Foreign Minister)
The Sub-Sharan/Afro-Asiatic Mycenaean Colonists, the *heterogeneous* people of the Ancient City-States, and the “hybrid” Modern Greeks simply “Hellenized” these names! Eg: Philip = *Phillipos*, Aleksandar = Alexandros, Ilija = Ilias.
Even the name *Helen* from which is derived *Hellene* has reference to Iliy! Ellena > Helen = Elle = Iliy.

[Niko777]

Did macedonians worship the sun & as well make important people like alexander feel they are sun gods.?

After winning battle after battle Alexander himself thought he was a god. The Macedonians certainly worshiped the sun as well gods identfied with the sun.

[George S.]

it would be intersting to know how the macedonians treated the sun as a god or as an object that moved accross the sky??Did macedonians worship the sun & as well make important people like alexander feel they are sun gods.?

[Niko777]

I think the symbol is somehow connected to the ancient god Apollo who, during the reign of Alexander the Great, was glorified as a sun god under the name Helios. I think the ancient Macedonians had some sort of cult towards the sun, which is why they used the symbol as their own.

Depictions of Helios:

Notice that all depictions look like Alexander the Great. This is probably because many thought Alexander was the sun god.

[Nomad]

I know that the so called greeks today can't be trusted, they build their identity on the ruins of the dead greek civilization , with lies and falsifications.

But this symbol, in antiquity, is not used exclusively by macedonians, i read somewhere in this forum that the thracians too had used this symbol. By giving this link to you, i just want to show you the pictures in it, not the bullshit that is written by the greeks, the pictures shows that the ancients greeks used this symbol too. I just search more informations about the kutlesh sun. I have a personal theory about this symbol, i think that the sun was very used in antiquity but the ancients macedonians make the sun their national symbol. Someone agree ?

[George S.]

the vergina sun is the macedonian sun symbol it is mean't to be used by the macedonians until greece stole them & registered them asa their own.

[Risto the Great]

http://history-of-macedonia.com/2008...-greek-symbol/

What do you think about what the greeks says about the vergina sun ?

Nomad, the Greeks changed the name of their airport in Solun from Micra to Makedonia in 1989. They couldn't even call the "New Territories or Northern Greece" as "Macedonia" for a long time. Greeks change their mind on a lot of things. They can't be trusted like that. Don't rely on them. I don't.

[Stojacanec]

http://history-of-macedonia.com/2008...-greek-symbol/

What do you think about what the greeks says about the vergina sun ?

I think when the christian refugees / modern greeks were fully settled in new greece and their new housing estates were fully compete right down to the landscaping, they had to register the design of the Kutlesh Sonce as being Greek in 1996.

[Makedonska_Kafana]

Nomad
Who gives a shit what Greeks think?

exactly, how feel about everything they say .. mainly myths

[makedonche]

Nomad
Was that link you provided suppose to have shown conclusive evidence that the Kutlesh Sonce is a Greek symbol?