Origins of Albanian language and ethnos

[Carlin]

From the Burovic video:

[Carlin]

Mirko Barjaktarevic, On the common origin of some Montenegrin and some Albanian tribes

URL:

http://www.rastko.rs/rastko-al/zbornik1990/mbarjaktarevic-predanja.php

[Carlin]

[Carlin]

From article: http://www.rastko.rs/rastko-al/zborn...ic-sloveni.php

Простори данашње Албаније, као што се види, били су од VII века наовамо прекривени густом мрежом словенских насеља. Најгушћа насеља су била у северо-западном делу, у Скадарском крају, а затим у средњим и јужним областима у басену Девола и Војуше.

Процес албанизирања Словена био je дуг и насилан. Словенске групе (села, делови села) одржавале су се, упркос свему, веома дуго. Таквих група je било на истоку ближе Македонији и на северозападу, ближе српским областима. У XVI веку предео Опара, на пример, био je словенски. У XVII веку југозападно од Охридског језера помињу се епископије Гора и Мокра а данас je све ово албанско-муслимански крај у коме je, као и у читавој Албанији словенска реч одавно занемела. Политичко друштвени чиниоци изазвали су ове промене. Али, још увек се може назрети наслеђе које су у културном и другом погледу Албанци примили од Словена о чему уосталом сведоче многе словенске речи које су се очувале и до данас у албанском језику.

Translation:
The regions of today's Albania, as can be seen, have been covered by a thick network of Slavic settlements since the 7th century. The most densely populated settlements were in the north-western part, in the Skadar region, and then in the middle and southern regions of the Devol and Vojuse basins.

The process of Albanization of Slavs was long. Slavic groups (villages, parts of villages), however, maintained themselves for a very long time. Such groups were in the east, closer to Macedonia, and in the northwest, closer to the Serbian regions. In the 16th century, the Opar area, for example, was completely Slavic. In the 17th century, the episcopes of Gora and Mokra are mentioned southwest of the Ohrid Lake. Today, this is completely an Albanian-Muslim region, in which, as well as throughout Albania, the Slavic word went silent a long time ago. Political societal factors have caused these changes. But it is still possible to see the legacy that the Albanians received from the Slavs in a cultural and other ways, as evidenced by many Slavic words that have been preserved in the Albanian language up to the present day.

[tchaiku]

The author just gave a theory based on the Aromanian influence of the Albanian language. I personally have nothing against this theory but I am just being objective.

[Liberator of Makedonija]

Vladimir Orel:


--> Albanians originate from North Of The Danube, from around the Carpathian Mountains and the Beskidy (The Beskids or Beskid Mountains is a traditional name for a series of mountain ranges in the Carpathians, stretching from the Czech Republic in the west along the border of Poland with Slovakia up to Ukraine in the east.)

--> Albanians are evidently not Ancient Illyrians.

Doesn't the Slav Migration Theory also suggest this?

[Carlin]

Vladimir Orel:


--> Albanians originate from North Of The Danube, from around the Carpathian Mountains and the Beskidy (The Beskids or Beskid Mountains is a traditional name for a series of mountain ranges in the Carpathians, stretching from the Czech Republic in the west along the border of Poland with Slovakia up to Ukraine in the east.)

--> Albanians are evidently not Ancient Illyrians.

[Carlin]

[Carlin]

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[Liberator of Makedonija]

I have an interesting image to share but it exceeds the data limit. Can I get some assistance? I suck with putting photos up in these forums.

[Carlin]

Паскал Миљо: Скендербег е Словен и се борел за одбрана на христијанството

URL:

http://vecer.mk/makedonija/paskal-miljo-skenderbeg-e-sloven-i-se-borel-za-odbrana-na-hristijanstvoto-video

YouTube video URL:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J4asPZDYxrE

[Carlin]

The Albanian 'Byzantine' battalions of Mirdita in Northern Albania: MARDAITES-MOURTATOI-MIRDITE.


The decarchia Mardatorum, referring to a region under taxation in Corfu, and mentioned in an official decree issued by the despot Michael II of Epirus (chrysoboullon, 1246), has been regarded as evidence of the installation of the Mardaites on the island.

URL:

https://books.google.ca/books?id=CdIxBwAAQBAJ&pg=PA54&lpg=PA54&dq=mardatorum&source=bl&ots=eKtbH2eNa4&sig=n0O9cTZxS7e_1RLYlM4beH4o9r4&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwirn_CgnobZAhUL4IMKHXbNDW8Q6AEIMDAC#v=onepage&q=mardatorum&f=false

[Carlin]

Anton Westermann (18 June 1806, Leipzig – 24 November 1869, Leipzig) was a German classical philologist.

Published works:
Stephani Byzantii Ethnikon quae supersunt, 1839; (edition of Stephanus of Byzantium).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anton_Westermann

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephanus_of_Byzantium

ΑΡΒΑΝΙΟΝ ΠΌΛΗ ΤΟΥ ΠΟΝΤΟΥ .. ΑΛΒΑΝΙΟΣ

ARVANION CITY OF PONTUS, ETHNE ALBANIAN

In this version it states TO ETHNIKON ARVANIOS (ALVANIOS = ARVANIOS) Page 110:
URL:

https://books.google.ca/books?id=sZs-AAAAcAAJ&printsec=frontcover&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q&f=false

[tchaiku]

I read that these forms are not always mutually intelligible? Arbereshe especially is apparently very different

Yes Arbereshe is the most different. Arvanitika is partly mutually intelligible.

[Liberator of Makedonija]

Gheg is the original dialect, which was saved by isolated Catholic Albanians of North. Tosk nowadays is the standard Albanian dialect and was influenced by Slavic languages. Tosk sounds more like a Latin/Sicilian dialect in my opinion. Tosk and Gheg are mutually intelligible, the root of the words is basically the same. Only some few words are completely different.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albanian_dialects#Extinct_dialects

Arvanitika is a Sub-Tosk dialect a more isolated one spoken by the Albanians of Greece. Arbereshe are Christian Albanians fleeing from Peloponnese and Epirus to Italy during the Ottoman rule.
Arbereshe is to Italy what Arvanitika is to Greece.

Arvanitika in my opinion is easier to understand than Arbereshe.

I read that these forms are not always mutually intelligible? Arbereshe especially is apparently very different