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If the Albanians and greeks are really Slavs ethnically, why do they not speak in a tongue which is part of the Slavic linguistic group? -
That is the question.Originally posted by makedonche View Post
The Greeks will by pass the truth if they have to. Political power, or public opinion, is worth more to them than any leaning toward some kind of truth.
When the New Greeks invaded, it was an invasion of conquest. They planned to wipe us out. They nearly have - with Europe watching the whole time.Leave a comment:
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John of Amida: "Slavonians, overran the whole of Greece…and captured the cities"
"..John of Amida also known as John of Ephesus records that in 581
"…an accursed people, called Slavonians, overran the whole of
Greece……and captured the cities, and took numerous forts, and
devastated and burnt, and reduced the people to slavery, and
made themselves masters of the whole country, and settled in
it by main force, and dwelt in it as though it had been their
own. ... And even to this day [584 AD], they still encamp and dwell
there, and live in peace in the Roman territories, free from anxiety
and fear, and lead captive and slay and burn..."
Another source, the so-called Chronicle of Monembasia, states that
in the year 587—8 the Turkic Avars (with whom the Slavs were
usually allied)
"…..captured all of Thessaly and all of Greece, Old Epirus, Attica
and Euboea. Indeed, they attacked the Peloponnese and took it by war;
and after expelling and destroying the native Hellenic peoples, they
dwelt there. Those who were able to escape their murderous hands were
scattered here and there. Thus, the citizens of Patras moved to the
district of Reggio in Calabria, the Argives to the island called Orobe,
the Corinthians to the island of Aegina.... Only the eastern part of
the Peloponnese, from Corinth to Cape Maleas, was untouched by the
Slavonians because of the rough and inaccessible nature of the
country... "
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Let me reply to your question on face value Nikodim.Originally posted by NikodimMKD View Post
What it tells us is that this fact is even more devastating to Greeks and Albanians than Macedonians. That the people in Epirus, continental Greece and the Peloponnese who call themselves Greeks nowadays are simply impostors.
When the Greeks are willing to adopt the true language of their people ... they should look North to Macedonia who carries the torch for all southern slavic nations ... Greece included. That Greece did not remain a bastion of slavic pride is more to do with the Patriarchate church than anything else.
Macedonians speak the language of their ancestors. Greeks don't. Who is this more devastating for?
We are led to believe Hungarians do not speak a form of Pannonian. It really does not matter in my opinion. Honesty in relation to identity is far more important.
If we are to accept the slavic migration theory, then the suggestion that the 6th century slavs "ate" the real Macedonians to completely eliminate them by the 10th century is a ridiculous assumption. That the Macedonians adopted the new language is more plausible. We know the Bulgarians accepted the language of the Macedonians 100 years after their arrival without much persuasion. Of course nobody has bothered to reveal the mystery of the populous Thracians and their ancient language. That they were regarded as kin to Macedonians is telling as to why Greece has not been eager to reveal its findings.
I have this Greek friend of a friend. My mate loves him. I found him immensely irritating. He tried to call me Greek (once) .... I suggested very quietly to him that I would extract his albano/slavic heart and hand it to him. Do you think he would be pleased to read his people were gone and replaced with the Sclavonians of the 10th century? Would it be damaging to him? Would it be more (or less) damaging than telling a Macedonian he speaks a Slavic language?Leave a comment:
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Nikodim, welcome back. Before you start asking your questions again, let me ask you this - When are you going to stop pretending to be a Macedonian on this forum? Aren't you tired of the act yet? Seriously, this is the reason you disappeared in the first place, because of all the attention on your counterfit identity here on this forum, I think your presence in this thread is fitting as it highlights how modern Greeks have faked their identity.Leave a comment:
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"But the revival was only for a time, and, in spite of Greek struggles, at the end of the tenth century Sclavonians formed almost the entire population of Macedonia, Epirus, continental Greece and the Peloponnese"
So based on this, are we too from the Sclavonians if according to this they formed almost the entire population of Macedonia?
Doesn't this passage hurt us more than it helps us?Leave a comment:
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The counterfeit hellenes must be doing this again
nice breakdown SoM. And welcome back Makedonche. Hope you post back more frequently.
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Makedonche, with 3 posts and 6 months of reading this forum, you are in the hundreds of thousands of people who are not contributing enough on this forum, yet silently giving us the inspiration to reveal more truths! If you have any questions whatsoever, please do not hesitate to ask ... I am positive many others would be wondering the same things as you.Originally posted by makedonche View Post
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Spolaiti Makedonche, it is good to know that the MTO is reaching out and making a difference. All the people that post such material have a genuine interest in furthering the Macedonian cause.Originally posted by makedonche
Regarding the inclusion of the word 'truth' in the title, the intention is for viewers to have an opportunity of reading the truth about Greece and her history in the modern era.Leave a comment:
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Makedonche, thank you for your kind words and you are correct, Greece in combination with Truth is an oxymoron.Leave a comment:
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Greece, History,Truth
SoM - I have learnt more from this website in 6 months than I have in 20 years of western education! The heading shouldn't be used all in one - how can Greece & Truth be used in the same sentence.Leave a comment:
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Greece, History, Truth
A collection of excerpts gathered from this forum, largely brought to our attention by Daskalot and TrueMacedonian, who have buried many a myth of the modern Greek on countless occasions.
Origins of the inhabitants of Modern Greece:
But the revival was only for a time, and, in spite of Greek struggles, at the end of the tenth century Sclavonians formed almost the entire population of Macedonia, Epirus, continental Greece and the Peloponnese…….It was during these centuries, that what remained, if indeed anything remained, of even degenerate Hellenic blood absorbed or was absorbed into that of the Slav……Indeed, the Albanians appear to have done for Greece in the sixteenth and seventeenth centuries something like that which that Sclavonians had done in the sixth and seventh….They number about 200,000 souls; and within a greater part of the districts occupied by Albanians at the present day the Greeks have been as completely expelled as the Celtic race in England by the Saxon. Unlike the Greek, for him the bonds of nationality are stronger than those of religion…..to assert that a Greek Christian is a Hellene is as reasonable as to call all Roman Catholics Italians; and to claim a Slav or Albanian as a Hellene because he speaks Greek, is much the same as calling an educated Russian French, or an Irishman English, because they prefer French or English to their own less developed languages. (A Monthly Review – Greece, Spoilt Child of Europe)
Albanian origins of the liberators and leaders of Modern Greece:
The chief authority was conceded to the Albanian shipowners; George Konduriottes of Hydra was elected president of Greece, and Botasses of Spetzas vice-president…..The Greeks are the most prejudived of all Europeans when there is a question of the purity of the Hellenic race, and no people regards education with more favour; yet with all this nationality and pedantry they intrusted their public affairs, in a period of great difficulty, to two men who could not address them in the Greek language. (George Finlay, History of the Greek Revolution)
The castle of Karytena, even in its ruins, has a proud feudal aspect, and was again, early in our century, the stronghold of one of the most famous and notorious of the revolutionary chiefs – Colocotroni. He ranks as a hero in that war……..He is described as of the Albanian type. (J. P Mahhafy, Greek Pictures)
……the liberators of Greece…..Nine or ten of them performed the Albanian national dance, to the sound of a bad fiddle and a little jingling guitar played with a quill, for the amusement of her Majesty, who did not seem enchanted with this exhibition….these men, who were exposing themselves in this absurd manner, were the far-famed Colocotroni, Nikitas, surnamed the Turkophagos, or Turk-eater, Makryani, Vasso of Montenegro, Kota Botzaris,, and others equally celebrated…….this was merely the dance of the Albanians, a totally distinct race of men from the Greeks. (Blackwood’s Magazine, XLIII)
Athens, twenty-five years ago, was only an Albanian village. The Albanians formed, and still form, almost the whole of the population of Attica; and within three leagues of the capital, villages are to be found where Greek is hardly understood. Athens has been rapidly peopled with men of all kinds and nations..........Albanians form about one-fourth of the population of the country; they are in majority in Attica, in Arcadia, and in Hydra..…..(Edmond About, Greece and the Greeks of the Present Day)
Reflections on the East Roman Empire:
Until 1821, Greeks knew that there had once been a Christian empire with its capital at Constantinople, but they did not think of it as a Greek empire, and they certainly didn’t call it the Byzantine Empire. (Katerina Zacharia, Hellenisms)
Philhellenism; its aim and impact:
Most Greeks did not share Byron’s views and would not have understood his allusions. They did not think of themselves as Greeks at all – and certainly not as Hellenes…but as Christians or Orthodox. (N. Hammond, Greece – Old and New)
…Philhellehism was a sort of social disease, caused by hallucinations and the by the illusion of finding in the present mongrel inhabitants of Morea and Attica the descendants of the ancient Hellenes. Subsequent contact of Greece with Europe has already considerably modified these ideas, as the modern Greek begins to pass for what he is: a semi-barbarian, a not yet cultivated citizen, and already a spoilt savage……Our classical recollections will have been proved a fallacy…only because they inhiabit a soil where the Parthenon was built. (Baron Augustus Jochmus, The Syrian War and the Decline of the Ottoman Empire)
It is certainly unlikely that before the infiltration of European Philhellenism the inhabitants of Kastri knew (or cared much, for that matter) that they were indeed the inhabitants of Delphi. (Stathis Gourgouris, Dream Nation)
The foundations of Neo-Hellenic Culture:
It is significant that many of the nineteenth-century alterations to the Acropolis were carried out at the instigation of Germans, whose contribution to the modern Greeks’ sense of their classical heritage was crucial………….. an attempt was made to Hellenize the Greek collective consciousness, and through katharevousa, to “purify” the modern Greek language. (Katerina Zacharia, Hellenisms)
University of Athens - This, was the first institution of higher learning in the independent kingdom of the Hellenes, was founded by King Otto on the German model. (John Koliopoulos, Greece – The Modern Sequel)
The new sate did not attach itself to the immediate past, as it had been preserved in the popular memory, but rather adapted itself to the convenient image of the ancient Greek past already created in the West. Otto’s father, King Ludwig I of Bavaria, was obsessed with ancient Greece and brought up his children with the aspiration that one day one of them would reign over this glorious land. (Discourses of Collective Identity in Central and Southeast Europe, Texts and Commentaries)
In 1834 it was decided to create Athens the capital of the independent Kingdom of Greece. A German architect, Schaubert, was employed to plan the wide streets, the squares, the boulevards: and so Athens, which in 1834 was a village of five thousand inhabitants, has become in 1936 a city of over four hundred and fifty thousand people. (H. V. Morton, In the steps of St. Paul)
Ancient Sparta has entirely perished….New Sparta is a creation of King Otho, who has formed the useless project of resuscitating all the great names of Greece. It is a governmental and commercial town, composed entirely of shops, barracks, and public offices. (Edmond About, Greece and the Greeks of the Present Day)
Need I say more.
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