Greece, History, Truth

[Bill77]

Here we go

European DNA
greeks are the biggest distributors of Turkish dna.E1B1B is haplogroup of Turks and Arabs

http://www.eupedia.com/europe/european_y-dna_haplogroups.shtml

[chicagoan]

The research by the Swiss Institute iGenea, frustrated the Greeks. The iGenea Institute explores the genetics of European people, and it is one of the leaders in the world in DNA analysis. The institute confirmed that today's descendants of the ancient Macedonians are Macedonians.
When asked by a Greek citizen: "What is the origin of the Slavo-Macedonians?" The iGenea on her official Forum replied:
First of all, they are Macedonians, not Slavo-Macedonians as you mention because of your political reasons. The majority of Macedonians are direct descendants of the ancient, and only a small part of them has Slavic origin. For the greater disappointment of the Greeks iGenea revealed that 32% were of Hellenic Greek, Macedonian, even Arab origin. Other 31% of Greeks have Celts, 12% German and Slavic, and 11% have Illyrian origin.
For the Albanians and their faith iGenea confirmed the opposite of her belief, iGenea says that it is the smallest percentage of Illyrian origin. Considering the DNA analysis, only 20% of Albanians have Illyrian origin, while 40% of the citizens of Bosnia and Herzegovina are direct descendants of the Illyrians.
In the last period is the official forum of the Swiss Institute iGenea with questions fully, by the Greek citizens arrive, which is mostly about the origin of the Macedonians instead of their own origin of interest. iGenea in their centers, except for the DNA analysis, uses historical, anthropological and archaeological resources.
Vecer: Macedonians tied to Antic Macedonians, Greeks to Celtic, Germanic, Slavic...

http://macedoniaonline.eu/content/view/3717/1/

LOL ! Tell me you believe this...pls tell me you subscribe to these findings. Tell me you actually believe Igenea and those comments you made.

Oh man is this going to be easy....

[Bill77]

The research by the Swiss Institute iGenea, frustrated the Greeks. The iGenea Institute explores the genetics of European people, and it is one of the leaders in the world in DNA analysis. The institute confirmed that today's descendants of the ancient Macedonians are Macedonians.
When asked by a Greek citizen: "What is the origin of the Slavo-Macedonians?" The iGenea on her official Forum replied:
First of all, they are Macedonians, not Slavo-Macedonians as you mention because of your political reasons. The majority of Macedonians are direct descendants of the ancient, and only a small part of them has Slavic origin. For the greater disappointment of the Greeks iGenea revealed that 32% were of Hellenic Greek, Macedonian, even Arab origin. Other 31% of Greeks have Celts, 12% German and Slavic, and 11% have Illyrian origin.
For the Albanians and their faith iGenea confirmed the opposite of her belief, iGenea says that it is the smallest percentage of Illyrian origin. Considering the DNA analysis, only 20% of Albanians have Illyrian origin, while 40% of the citizens of Bosnia and Herzegovina are direct descendants of the Illyrians.
In the last period is the official forum of the Swiss Institute iGenea with questions fully, by the Greek citizens arrive, which is mostly about the origin of the Macedonians instead of their own origin of interest. iGenea in their centers, except for the DNA analysis, uses historical, anthropological and archaeological resources.
Vecer: Macedonians tied to Antic Macedonians, Greeks to Celtic, Germanic, Slavic...

http://macedoniaonline.eu/content/view/3717/1/

[Bill77]

Ohhhh and it gets worse for you my Arab Friend, here is another report . Beware, the truth will hurt.

who are greeks?-HLA genes in Macedonians and the sub-Saharan origin of the Greeks

http://my.opera.com/ancientmacedonia/blog/who-are-greekshla-genes-in-macedonians

But the following links For some strange reason has been moved or deleted only just recently. i will investigate.

European DNA
greeks are the biggest distributors of Turkish dna.E1B1B is haplogroup of Turks and Arabs

http://www.eupedia.com/eur¬ope/european_y-dna_haplogr¬oups.shtml

Sub-Saharan DNA admixture in Europe

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sub-Saharan_DNA_admixture_in_Europe

Some one is trying to get rid of evidence.

[Bill77]

Many DNA insitutes have got afew different results because they tested different people and ancient bones at different times and places...
Why did they get different results..because they are a mixed race which they should really be called GYPSIES...
And all results did not favour Greeks which frustrated these peasants..
But favoured the MACEDONIAN...here are some examples..

http://www.africaresource.com/rasta/sesostris-the-great-the-egyptian-hercules/the-nigerian-origins-of-ancient-greeks-complied-by-jide-uwechia/

Genetic Evidence of the Nigerian and Ethiopian Origin of the Ancient Greek
Edited By Jide Uwechia from cited Sources
The Benin Haplogroup or Haplogroup 19 Common In Africans, Greeks and Albanians

[Bill77]

I would never state that Macedonians today are pure direct descendents of the ancient Macedonians. And I agree about MANU. I think their entire office should be swept up and thrown in the trash. Igenea? And what about it?

From my understanding,This is just one of the many people who supervised this study. "Anastasia Kouvatsi" How can she alow this to Happen.

See on the Fig.3 (page4) the position of "Greeks" and Albanians projected on the plane of two principal components.

http://www.historyofmacedonia.org/ConciseMacedonia/Y_Hromosomes.pdf

It is the Greeks who asked IGENA DNA Institute who are these's SLAV'S..
Now that the results did not favour the Greeks...
Greeks like to DENY and not believe in DNA... imagine if the results favoured the Greeks... AAAAAHHHHHH we wouldn't here the end of it...

[George S.]

Hey guys Chicagoan reckons all this stuff that you guys are putting up whils't it tells the truth he finds it offensive because it says his family is not greek but turkish.So he is offended & he told i think TM.How can someone be offended by the TRUTH you guys are obviously succeeding & they are getting it where it hurts.

[George S.]

genetic studies have revealed how the greeks are related to the Subharan afrikans.THe Greeks were black people.Crnci.There's books written on the subject.Also the Fact is today the Macedonians are descended from Alexander The Great & they are not Slavs .These are things the Greek Government doesn't want people to know.If they know it will be by by Greece.They found out which is Huge Blow to Greece that their is not related to the Ancient Macedonians but to the Subharan Afrikans.Greece pretty soon will have to say sorry for what it did & restore all property back to the Macedonians.In other words Greece has to leave northern Greece & go back to it's shithole Athens,Ha HaAls note Bill found out about the research as well on the Greeks they have the smallest Penises.

[makedonin]

Igenea? And what about it?

I am curious about that too! It apears our friend here "knows more" than we know.

Are you gonna fill us in, chicagoan? I am curious whit what you are going to come up

[TrueMacedonian]

TM...give it a rest man. If we are so mixed...what the hell are you?
Pure bred from ancient macedon ? That is more riduclous than any ridiculous greek claim ever made. Even kosvo albanians think its funny. MANU is a joke and every propaganda site made to negate us disappears within a years time. Remember Igenea ?

Lets stop insulting each other for starters....

I would never state that Macedonians today are pure direct descendents of the ancient Macedonians. And I agree about MANU. I think their entire office should be swept up and thrown in the trash. Igenea? And what about it?

[julie]

TM...give it a rest man. If we are so mixed...what the hell are you?
Pure bred from ancient macedon ? That is more riduclous than any ridiculous greek claim ever made. Even kosvo albanians think its funny. MANU is a joke and every propaganda site made to negate us disappears within a years time. Remember Igenea ?

Lets stop insulting each other for starters....

this is some quote
Lets stop insulting each other for starters....[/QUOTE]

you who have insulted others on this forum.

What puzzles me is what are you doing on this forum? You obviously have some hidden agenda...

[George S.]

Hey Bill7777 bringout the stats that says the greeks are subharan descended(also the ones that says they even have small penises)Ok you asked for it.
What are you talking about Jews there were hardly that many but during the second war you were happy to hand them over to the gestapo to be shipped to Concentration camps in europe.Some fled to the republic of Macedonia.That's how good the greeks were to their fellow man.Also if there were any Macedonians they dressed them as soldiers & put them in the front line as canon fodder.Do you know how many died like that thousands & hundreds died.Greece tricked them & told them they were fighting for their freedom.So stop bullshitting were waiting for your yes or No still.

[chicagoan]

And this is where you drones are different from free thinking people like the Macedonians. You think in terms of a dozen eggs. Sitting in styrofoam only to be cracked, cooked, and crapped out one day while Macedonians ask whether to make omlettes, eggs benedict, or scrambled eggs. It doesn't matter whether you're sub-saharan, chinese, lebanese, or Israeli (sorry but Jewish represents a religion, not an ethnicity,,, but of course you know it all ). The point is that your culture today is made up and was written in Western europe. For christs sakes the Albanian fustenella is your country's national dress. This should make your eyebrows raise at that fact alone.

TM...give it a rest man. If we are so mixed...what the hell are you?
Pure bred from ancient macedon ? That is more riduclous than any ridiculous greek claim ever made. Even kosvo albanians think its funny. MANU is a joke and every propaganda site made to negate us disappears within a years time. Remember Igenea ?

Lets stop insulting each other for starters....

[TrueMacedonian]

you forgot to mention the jews too...yeah..we are part jewish too.
slavs ? how so...i thought they were linguistic.

Listen man...you need to forget the BS they feed you. You guys flip flop on your positions like pancakes...First subsahran now that mix you described above.

First igenea and then after they got laughed at you will never hear anyone one of you mention that group again. You keep changing...stick a postion.

And this is where you drones are different from free thinking people like the Macedonians. You think in terms of a dozen eggs. Sitting in styrofoam only to be cracked, cooked, and crapped out one day while Macedonians ask whether to make omlettes, eggs benedict, or scrambled eggs. It doesn't matter whether you're sub-saharan, chinese, lebanese, or Israeli (sorry but Jewish represents a religion, not an ethnicity,,, but of course you know it all ). The point is that your culture today is made up and was written in Western europe. For christs sakes the Albanian fustenella is your country's national dress. This should make your eyebrows raise at that fact alone.

[TrueMacedonian]

I do believe that continuity between us and our ancestors remain. To say the ancient hellenes were completely wiped out as if a UFO came down and picked them all up is wishfull thinking for some ppl to justify their agenda's.

When you say christians of turkey can you provide some examples ?


btw: does your nick mean " teacher " ? Daskalos in greek means teacher...thats why im asking..

And I also heard that Christopher Columbus was an ethnic "greek" whos real name was Christophoros Columbis Now that we got all the jokes out of our system tell us how it is exactly that a bunch of,,,,,lord I wouldn't even know what to call you people anymore,,,,are somehow descended from the dead ancient race of Hellenes? Wishful thinking? However your history was based out of Germany and not in Athens. And certainly not in Macedonia. Be thankful for what they gave you these philhellenes because without them I would think it would be safe to say that your country would've been the "Swiss" model of the balkans.