Greece, History, Truth

[TrueMacedonian]

im trying lol to go back in my sources and books. So far bratko i could only find this...

Theodoros Kolokotronis and Nikitaras took their vows. .... "The dream of King"

i hope we are cool and ill find more information

Yes find the source and get back to us when you do.

[Makedonetz]

im trying lol to go back in my sources and books. So far bratko i could only find this...

Theodoros Kolokotronis and Nikitaras took their vows. .... "The dream of King"

i hope we are cool and ill find more information

[TrueMacedonian]

Its funny greeks celebrated Kolokotronis as a hero but when they wanted him to be their king he denied so they threw him in jail.

Again I want to see a source for this.

[TrueMacedonian]

Is he greek or something else?

Kolokotroni was an Albanian. He was a Captain in General Church's Albanian Regiment. He performed an Albanian dance in front of the Bavarian Queen of newly created 'greece' and his role in the war for independence was grossly exagerrated. He had a son named Gianni (Italian name) and then Gianni became Gennaios. Kolokotronis' memoirs were most likely fabricated to suit the new lie of the land.

[Makedonetz]

Is he greek or something else?

[Makedonetz]

Kolokotronis was born at Ramavouni in Messenia, and grew up in Libovitsi in Arcadia. His father, Constantine Kolokotronis, took part in an armed rebellion which was supported by Catherine the Great of Russia, then was killed in an engagement along with two of his brothers George and Harry. Theodoros joined the ranks of a Peloponnesian guerrilla band, and by age fifteen was the leader ("kapetanios", which means captain) of his own group. He had a brief stint at sea as a corsair, and then in 1805 he took service on a series of ships in the Russian fleet in the Russo-Turkish War. After 1810 served in a corps of Greek infantry in English service on Zakynthos, and was awarded the brevet rank of brigadier for his service against the French.

Zakynthos is in the Ionian Islands, which were then a British protectorate after being bandied about between Venice, France and Russia during the Napoleonic Wars. Kolokotronis's service in the regular Russian and British forces, land and sea, would provide valuable insights to be used later in his career.

Kolokotronis returned to the mainland just prior to the outbreak of the war and formed a confederation of irregular Moreot klepht bands. These he tried to train and organize into something resembling a modern army. In May he was named archistrategos (commanding general). He was already 50 years old by this time, a fact which contributed to his sobriquet O Geros tou Morea which means " The Old Man of the Morea", Morea being another name for the Peloponnese. After the war Kolokotronis became a supporter of Count I.A. Kapodistrias and a proponent of alliance with Russia. When the count was assassinated 8 October 1831, Kolokotronis created his own administration in support of Prince Otto of Bavaria as a king of Greece. However, later he opposed the Bavarian -dominated regency during his rule. He was charged with treason and on 7 June 1834 sentenced to death; but he was pardoned in 1835. Theodoros Kolokotronis died in 1843 in Athens.

[Spartan]

I dont know about 'being the King' as the reason, but he had enemies in the deep south who were responsible for his imprisonment.
The same people were responsible for the assasination of Kapodistrias

Lakonians....never satisfied....

[TrueMacedonian]

Its funny greeks celebrated Kolokotronis as a hero but when they wanted him to be their king he denied so they threw him in jail.

Source please.

[Makedonetz]

Its funny greeks celebrated Kolokotronis as a hero but when they wanted him to be their king he denied so they threw him in jail.

[TrueMacedonian]

The Chronicle of Monemvasia was first used as a primary source for the history of the Slavs in Greece by Jakob Philipp Fallmerayer, the German journalist who claimed that the modern Greeks were not descendants of ancient Greeks, But of Slavs and Albanians whose ancestors had settled in Greece during the Middle Ages and had learned to speak Greek from the Byzantine authorities.

JAKOB PHILIPP FALLMERAYER (1790–1861) was a German traveller and historical investigator, best known for his opinions in regard to the ethnology of the modern Greeks. Does anyone know anything more about him or have some of his work to produce?

He's the reason for the accelerated myths of cultural continuity in modern 'greece'. http://www.maknews.com/forum/archive...ce-t12173.html

[Bill77]

The Chronicle of Monemvasia was first used as a primary source for the history of the Slavs in Greece by Jakob Philipp Fallmerayer, the German journalist who claimed that the modern Greeks were not descendants of ancient Greeks, But of Slavs and Albanians whose ancestors had settled in Greece during the Middle Ages and had learned to speak Greek from the Byzantine authorities.

JAKOB PHILIPP FALLMERAYER (1790–1861) was a German traveller and historical investigator, best known for his opinions in regard to the ethnology of the modern Greeks. Does anyone know anything more about him or have some of his work to produce?

[Bill77]

There is something like 'most common' haplogroup among the Turks.

Hi Bratot, Regardless if people believe A haplogroup can only give you an idea of where your ancestors were 20,000 + yrs ago, Todays Turk and Greek people are related. Both ansestors 20,000 years ago were the same people. Modern day we call them Turkish, 20,000 years ago they might have been called something else. Again, does not take away the fact Modern day Turks and Greeks are one.

[chicagoan]

You mean Turkic not Turkish. Huge difference. Even in today's turkey... They differ throughout the country. Aegean Turks espescially, differ from the ones in deep anatolia.

[Bratot]

There is something like 'most common' haplogroup among the Turks.

[chicagoan]

I will only say this. And pretty much destroy everything you believe in 2 sentences.

A haplogroup can only give you an idea of where your ancestors were 20,000 + yrs ago. It DOES NOT qualify as an ethnic indicator.

You just posted an oxymoron. There is no such thing as a " turkish " haplogroup...

good luck and enlighten yourself before you look...